Death

[Aesthler]

I think we have all felt death anxiety at some point. Life's job is to keep living not to die. Life just can't sustain itself forever so it makes copies of itself to carry the torch. I think it's good to keep in mind that while fear is normal, death is also normal. Someday it's just gonna happen, you can fear it all right up to the end even and then bam, whatever happens is gonna happen.

 

[millefeui]

I read a book called Biocentrism and the author theorizes that consciousness makes what we perceive as the material world and not the other way around. Not sure if I believe it but interesting theory.

I was unable to understand the concept you mentioned in your post, so I read a few articles about Biocentrism. It is interesting, but none of the articles mention the "evidence" this Robern Lanza fellow have to support the Biocentrism theory.

I don't know... Maybe I understood it wrong, but the multiverse thing he mentions seems like a different, more sciencey take on reincarnation? I suppose I will need to buy the book to better grasp the concept. I am curious, though, simply for being something relatively different from the usual.

 

[Fifth]

A little late of a response, but if it helps, I like to think of nonexistence as what it was BEFORE I was born. Did it bother you to not exist then? Of course not, there was no YOU to bother. So it shouldn't be all that bad to not exist after life

 

[GeorgeEastman]

I was put out for two surgeries. It was the best I ever felt in my whole life while I was out.

Because I didn't feel a damn thing. That's what I want forever, and once I die whether it's tomorrow or 17 years from now when I get cancer, I will have it. That's what gives me hope. This hell will end one way or another.

People worship Jesus. I worship the cessation of my entire central nervous system.

 

[onewayroad]

A little late of a response, but if it helps, I like to think of nonexistence as what it was BEFORE I was born. Did it bother you to not exist then? Of course not, there was no YOU to bother. So it shouldn't be all that bad to not exist after life

Opened this thread to say exactly that, and one more thing. You will not exist for eternity after you die, but eternity goes in both directions, into the future and into the past. So not only have you not existed before, but you have not existed for eternity before.

We have all experienced eternal non-existence once, and I doubt anyone can claim to have been bothered by it.

So the idea of being dead does not bother me at all.

 

[worldexploder]

What's so scary about nonexistence. I'm trying to understand what frightens people about it. When your dead your dead. You can't be afraid at that point.

 

[deathoverlife]

The purpose of ctb is to cease ones existence .. why should non existence bother any way ...

Death fascinates me ...waiting to embark it ...
I hope for the after life theories which states we would be United with our loved ones after death to come true...

But again am also prepared for the nothingness .. no consciousness of what so ever...

My only fear is of being failed in the attempt ...not the death it self

 

[millefeui]

Some people want to be gone from their particular life, not necessarily from existence itself. The idea of a reincarnation, afterlife, etc appeals to them. Therefore, nonexistence is something to be scared (for them).

That or it is just the fact that "not existing" is not exactly the simplest concept to understand. Everything we know and understand about exists, after all. I only really had a basic idea of what nonexistence might be like after I fainted for the first time, before that I couldn't even begin to grasp it.

 

[sochokeonthis]

Not existing scares me too. I mean, I know it happens to everyone someday logically but just the idea of not existing...*shudder* It's one of the main reasons I haven't yet.

Exactly.

 

[sochokeonthis]

What's so scary about nonexistence. I'm trying to understand what frightens people about it. When your dead your dead. You can't be afraid at that point.

Exactly that. When you're dead, you're dead. The world will go on but you won't. You'll never think about anything ever again because you'll never exist ever again. It's hard to think about because it's difficult for most people to comprehend. Sure you can be afraid of it.

 

[sochokeonthis]

Some people want to be gone from their particular life, not necessarily from existence itself. The idea of a reincarnation, afterlife, etc appeals to them. Therefore, nonexistence is something to be scared (for them).

That or it is just the fact that "not existing" is not exactly the simplest concept to understand. Everything we know and understand about exists, after all. I only really had a basic idea of what nonexistence might be like after I fainted for the first time, before that I couldn't even begin to grasp it.

Yes! Couldn't have said it better myself. I'm glad some understand what I'm getting at.

 

[sochokeonthis]

Opened this thread to say exactly that, and one more thing. You will not exist for eternity after you die, but eternity goes in both directions, into the future and into the past. So not only have you not existed before, but you have not existed for eternity before.

We have all experienced eternal non-existence once, and I doubt anyone can claim to have been bothered by it.

So the idea of being dead does not bother me at all.

Yes but we experienced that non existence BEFORE existing. The point is after death you won't exist anymore and you'll never exist again. Obviously we aren't going to be bothered by it when we are experiencing it (nor will we remember experiencing it). But we can be bothered by it before we die.

 

[onewayroad]

Yes but we experienced that non existence BEFORE existing. The point is after death you won't exist anymore and you'll never exist again. Obviously we aren't going to be bothered by it when we are experiencing it (nor will we remember experiencing it). But we can be bothered by it before we die.

I see what you are saying, but if you have experienced an eternity of nothing once, what is the problem with experiencing it again? The only thing I can think of is that if you ctb, you may have lived another 30, 50 years or whatever and you are missing out on it. But if that time will be spent suffering, it's not valuable at all. I would only be bothered by it if my time on earth was worthwhile.

 

[sochokeonthis]

I see what you are saying, but if you have experienced an eternity of nothing once, what is the problem with experiencing it again? The only thing I can think of is that if you ctb, you may have lived another 30, 50 years or whatever and you are missing out on it. But if that time will be spent suffering, it's not valuable at all. I would only be bothered by it if my time on earth was worthwhile.

I'm not really arguing ctb and this really isn't missing out on life. Again the point is just that I won't exist and will never exist again. That's it. It's not a real problem because I won't be aware of it when it happens. But this is a suicide forum so I think it's only natural to discuss fear surrounding death. I am allowed to be uncomfortable with the idea of my non existence before I die and there's really nothing you could say to dissolve that discomfort. If you still don't see why the idea of not existing would bother someone, then scroll up because I really don't know how many other ways I can explain this. I see that you liked millefeui's recent post on this thread and that really explains it all.

 

[onewayroad]

I'm not really arguing ctb and this really isn't missing out on life. Again the point is just that I won't exist and will never exist again. That's it. It's not a real problem because I won't be aware of it when it happens. But this is a suicide forum so I think it's only natural to discuss fear surrounding death. I am allowed to be uncomfortable with the idea of my non existence before I die and there's really nothing you could say to dissolve that discomfort. If you still don't see why the idea of not existing would bother someone, then scroll up because I really don't know how many other ways I can explain this. I see that you liked millefeui's recent post on this thread and that really explains it all.

Ah I re-read that post by milllefeui, the first time I read it I admit it didn't make sense to me. I think I get the idea to some extent now; and the issue is my own ignorance. I have never experienced a fear of death or a fear of not existing (maybe when I was a small child?) so I can't truly understand the subjective experience. It's like a colourblind person trying to have a conversation about a colour they can't see. Perhaps I shouldn't have posted in this thread.

 

[millefeui]

Sorry, I am not that good at explaining my thoughts.

At any rate, @onewayroad if you look at life and existence as two different things, I think the fear of death might make some sense to you, but it is perfectly fine if it doesn't.

 

[Rollo]

Death. It's the obvious fix to an empty, meaningless life, but here's the thing.

Not existed freaks me the fuck out.

And it's not dying (entirely), it's the after. I just can't wrap my head around the idea of not existing anymore. After I die I won't be able to think. My consciousness will be gone and it's never coming back. I'll just be done. I won't be me, I won't be anyone. I won't exist now and I'll never exist again. And the world will just go on without me.

It's an overwhelming concept.

I'm sure the majority of you can't relate to my death anxiety but it's whatever I guess.

Here's a little thought experiment for you. Say I have the power to clone you, make exact copy of you right now. Or 100 copies. And I put these 100 copies on 100 different planets. Then I kill you. Question is - killing of which copy would constitute 'killing you'? And if I kill 1 copy, but the rest are continuing to exist, are you dead?

 

[Deutschv2]

Think about how it felt before being born. That should be like how it feels after I feel like logically. Hope u find peace.

 

[onewayroad]

Sorry, I am not that good at explaining my thoughts.

At any rate, @onewayroad if you look at life and existence as two different things, I think the fear of death might make some sense to you, but it is perfectly fine if it doesn't.

Thank you. I sort of understand on a logical level, especially with your good explanations, but I don't think I can really understand it because it's kind of a subjective experience. Like... my ex had a phobia of crabs. You and I could never truly understand it because we don't experience it, and there's nothing either of us could say to her to help. I suspect this is similar.

 

[sochokeonthis]

Here's a little thought experiment for you. Say I have the power to clone you, make exact copy of you right now. Or 100 copies. And I put these 100 copies on 100 different planets. Then I kill you. Question is - killing of which copy would constitute 'killing you'? And if I kill 1 copy, but the rest are continuing to exist, are you dead?

I don't know. Is it a trick question? I think killing any of the copies would constitute as killing you.

 

[LetMeDiePlease]

Think about it this way. Death is inevitable. If you don't ctb you will die a few decades later. Either way you will face it: now is better than later unless there is something left to enjoy in this world.

 

[Rollo]

I don't know. Is it a trick question? I think killing any of the copies would constitute as killing you.

No it's not a trick question, at least that's not how I see it. So even though killing of a single copy would constitute killing you, since other copies exist then you also keep existing aren't you? So to me other beings are copies of you. Thus since other beings keep existing, you will keep existing after suicide. People are talking about reincarnation, whether it's real or not, ignoring the fact that there's an obvious massive reincarnation happening before their eyes every day.