Discussion Death from nicotine

[faust]

Hello!
I have found many researches considering nicotine OD and what happens to body in this case.
But there is almost nothing about death from nicotine. I mean there are not too much cases when people were dying from injecting/swallowing fatal dose of nicotine.
I think OD is not the same as intentional death. I have found nothing about the time from e.g. injecting to losing consciuosness. Some sources say it is around 20 minutes if you ingest fatal dose. But then you will get a huge bucket of unwanted experience. What happens if you inject a fatal dose?
And how would it be possible to make the death more peaceful?
Would not consider this method worth attention, but there a few cases when people succeed.

 

[avoid_slow_death]

Seeing as how nicotine is a stimulant, I can say it's probably not a pleasant way to go. I can somewhat attest to this as I am a smoker and on occasion, I have smoked too many cigarettes in too short of a time and the effects are unpleasant. Dizziness, nausea, very elevated heart rate and blood pressure and tingling in the extremities. Take that and multiply it by a great number and you would probably end up with something that feels akin to a heart attack or possibly stroke.

 

[faust]

Seeing as how nicotine is a stimulant, I can say it's probably not a pleasant way to go. I can somewhat attest to this as I am a smoker and on occasion, I have smoked too many cigarettes in too short of a time and the effects are unpleasant. Dizziness, nausea, very elevated heart rate and blood pressure and tingling in the extremities. Take that and multiply it by a great number and you would probably end up with something that feels akin to a heart attack or possibly stroke.

I experienced nicotine OD myself multiple times. But once I vaped a huge amount of 18mg e-liquid after a big break and it was a huge panic attack + tingling + feeling that I am going to faint. It lasted about 60 seconds and then like nothing has just happened.
Normally if I OD, it is nausea, possibly a blood pressure drop, feels like the whole body gets electric shock. But never experienced an increased heart rate. When I used to oversmoke weed, heart rate was 180-200 and more.
Update: when OD nicotine blood pressure is elevated, but in my case it felt like a huge drop. When I felt nausea, I used to check my blood pressure. It was 85 to 50

I experienced nicotine OD myself multiple times. But once I vaped a huge amount of 18mg e-liquid after a big break and it was a huge panic attack + tingling + feeling that I am going to faint. It lasted about 60 seconds and then like nothing has just happened.
Normally if I OD, it is nausea, possibly a blood pressure drop, feels like the whole body gets electric shock. But never experienced an increased heart rate. When I used to oversmoke weed, heart rate was 180-200 and more.
Update: when OD nicotine blood pressure is elevated, but in my case it felt like a huge drop. When I felt nausea, I used to check my blood pressure. It was 85 to 50

P.S. Cardic arrest is unlikely. More likely: coma, respiratory arrest and seizures before

 

[ReneeSuicideAccount]

I'm not sure it is doable by smoking. I once ran out of coils for my normal vape so I got my cloud chasing set up and tried to smoked high nic juice out of that. One hit and I thought I was going to die I was on the ground and every part of me sucked for the rest of the day. Even my cat was concerned as he curled up around my head as I laid on the floor for a while.
0/10 extreme pain and didn't die (not that I wanted to die just wanted a smoke)

 

[mesohappy]

I remember the first cigarette I smoked and actually inhaled when I was 14..I smoked it quick and got sick as hell.Dizzy,cold sweat,nausea,threw up.I imagine nicotine overdose would be a shitty way to go.Nicotine is more of a "long term killer".Get the old hooks in you and take you for a long slow slog towards a drawn out death.

 

[Ghost2211]

You can die from nicotine OD, but it would be quite unpleasant. There are much better ways.

 

[Pan]

As a veteran smoker, I know that it is a stimulant for me. If I have one after waking up middle of the night I am basically up and wide awake. This is when the witching hour sets in, as I like to call it. What is the witching hour? That period where you are wide awake, slowly reviewing your miserable existence, trying to find a reason to keep on living... wondering if it is even worth it. What adds up? Not much. It appears as if it isn't my life at all, but someone else...how did I go wrong? Where? I view my mother's pending death with dread...how do I bond with nieces/nephews unknown? What do I say? I ask these questions of myself out of alienation from all of them...

 

[faust]

I remember the first cigarette I smoked and actually inhaled when I was 14..I smoked it quick and got sick as hell.Dizzy,cold sweat,nausea,threw up.I imagine nicotine overdose would be a shitty way to go.Nicotine is more of a "long term killer".Get the old hooks in you and take you for a long slow slog towards a drawn out death.

Oh, it was the first time for me when I was 17. I smoked 4 cigarettes, but it was okay before I took a bus. In the bus I nearly vomited and it was the feeling of weird nausea. I did not reach my last stop, took a walk and after 5-10 minutes everything was alright.

As a veteran smoker, I know that it is a stimulant for me. If I have one after waking up middle of the night I am basically up and wide awake. This is when the witching hour sets in, as I like to call it. What is the witching hour? That period where you are wide awake, slowly reviewing your miserable existence, trying to find a reason to keep on living... wondering if it is even worth it. What adds up? Not much. It appears as if it isn't my life at all, but someone else...how did I go wrong? Where? I view my mother's pending death with dread...how do I bond with nieces/nephews unknown? What do I say? I ask these questions of myself out of alienation from all of them...

I am sorry, you have problems like that...
Wish you find your own piece!
Nicotine used to be a good stimulator for me before, but after a while it started making me tired and anxiuos at the same time. Now it is more about habit rather than stimulation. Although if I nullify intake, it is getting worse....

 

[mesohappy]

Oh, it was the first time for me when I was 17. I smoked 4 cigarettes, but it was okay before I took a bus. In the bus I nearly vomited and it was the feeling of weird nausea. I did not reach my last stop, took a walk and after 5-10 minutes everything was alright.

You would think after experiences like that,no one would continue with the habit..Here it is years later and my lungs are shit,my blood pressure is high,I got periodontal disease/bone loss,and my chest hurts alot.And I still looove tobacco smoke/fiend for that nicotine!

 

[faust]

You would think after experiences like that,no one would continue with the habit..Here it is years later and my lungs are shit,my blood pressure is high,I got periodontal disease/bone loss,and my chest hurts alot.And I still looove tobacco smoke/fiend for that nicotine!

I often go to the gym to clean my lungs. Otherwise I may have a bad cough. However, since I am in Ireland I don't smoke much. Here a pack of cigarettes cost around 13 euro if we consider better ones. Yesterday I bought a pack of Marlboro Red and the pack was empty in 5 hours. So most of the time I simply vape. If I smoke here, it devastates my pocket because of a huge amount I can smoke and the price.

 

[Pan]

Yes, the cost in u.s. is similarly high due to tax. Before I thought about ctb,I worried about its effects on my lungs—-not now. I smoke like a fiend and I don't care. I wish fate would be kinder to me via lung cancer, in which case I would refuse all treatment, get medicine for pain and smoke away, avoiding ctb altogether. Such, unfortunately, is not the case. I discovered alcohol (beer) a year ago. Since then it has been basically a six pack daily, as I drink neither wine nor the hard stuff.

 

[Rverable]

Imo the main effects of nicotine last too short to be considered something to OD on. The LD50 is 0.5-1mg/kg according to wikipedia and it is water soluable. If you were to ingest it I feel like the physical symptoms would stop you from getting to the lethal dose. Nicotine water tastes like water with a bit of lemon from what I've read lol, can't imagine what it would taste like in such a high amount. I do love tobacco tho, every time I've attempted I've been on its buzz..

 

[faust]

Yes, the cost in u.s. is similarly high due to tax. Before I thought about ctb,I worried about its effects on my lungs—-not now. I smoke like a fiend and I don't care. I wish fate would be kinder to me via lung cancer, in which case I would refuse all treatment, get medicine for pain and smoke away, avoiding ctb altogether. Such, unfortunately, is not the case. I discovered alcohol (beer) a year ago. Since then it has been basically a six pack daily, as I drink neither wine nor the hard stuff.

Same with smoking/vaping. I know I will CTB, so do not limit myself in anything. Like why should I care about what is likely to happen in years, when the timer is set on two times less than a year. Almost do not drink alcohol myself, it often causes headache to me.

Imo the main effects of nicotine last too short to be considered something to OD on. The LD50 is 0.5-1mg/kg according to wikipedia and it is water soluable. If you were to ingest it I feel like the physical symptoms would stop you from getting to the lethal dose. Nicotine water tastes like water with a bit of lemon from what I've read lol, can't imagine what it would taste like in such a high amount. I do love tobacco tho, every time I've attempted I've been on its buzz..

What about taking antiemetics? Then you are not likely to throw up.

 

[Alain]

I respond to this thread because it's a subject that is interesting to me.
Most of the bad experience I read here are caused by very small overdoses (vaping too much in a short period of time for example).

But drinking some strong or double strong would maybe (probably) have a very different effect. Ingesting 1000mg of nicotine in 5ml of PG could be effective. I think your body won't necessarily reject 5ml, as it's a very small quantity. Even diluted with 5ml of water, it seems too small to be rejected before poisoning.

The question is ; what would it make you feel? Sure, on a very small poisoning you'll feel nausea and other very unpleasant things. But if you can take 1000mg by drinking a small amount of PG, who knows what you'll feel. Will you pass out quickly enough so you won't even feel a thing except maybe some dizziness?
Or will you suffer before you die with even pass out?

 

[autumnal]

I'm not sure it is doable by smoking. I once ran out of coils for my normal vape so I got my cloud chasing set up and tried to smoked high nic juice out of that. One hit and I thought I was going to die I was on the ground and every part of me sucked for the rest of the day. Even my cat was concerned as he curled up around my head as I laid on the floor for a while.
0/10 extreme pain and didn't die (not that I wanted to die just wanted a smoke)

Holy shit, you know things are bad when even a cat becomes concerned!

 

[Aap]

Death by MI is often not pleasant. Death by nicotine has happened either by accident or mischief, more often when it was available nearly pure as an insecticide. Tolerance to nicotine is rapid and much more difficult if you smoke. Death by water consumption is a thing too as is death by bee sting, though I wouldn't put them on the list.

 

[Alain]

I agree that it may not be pleasant. But actually, I'm not sure about that. All reports of nicotine overdoses I can read on the web are about small OD of nicotine ingested or inhaled, or even by contact with the skin.

If I may compare... Take a drug like morphine. The effect seems to be pleasant, that's why people do it. A regular medical dose is, in fact, an overdose. But a very small one, calculated to have only good effects. An "small" overdose of it will probably make you pass out, vomit, and such (I only can assume as I don't do drugs). But if you take a very bigger dose like 20 times the one that makes you vomit and pass out, it will probably kill you before you realize anything.

Who knows what would be the effect on someone who ingest large amounts of nicotine (let's say 2000mg) in a small amount of product (10ml of propylene glycol)?
That's what I'd like to know actually. I can't find any well documented case of death by VERY large amounts of nicotine. So it can be horribly painful or absolutely painless, I just don't know.

I think about that because I read a lot about SN as it's a trending topic. But it's almost impossible to get in EU (I know I can't get any). And it does not seem very reliable or pleasant at all.

 

[Aap]

I'm just going to stop you at your second paragraph when you start talking about morphine and a "regular medical dose is in fact an overdose." No...just no.

regarding nicotine, what on earth is pleasant about potential MI and respiratory paralysis? Anyone who has ever been sick from an initial experience with smoking, vaping, or chewing knows that nicotine overdosages are not fun or pleasant.

There are many things that are fatal, there are fewer things that are fatal and not terribly unpleasant. No matter how many false or misinformed statements you make, nicotine is not going to be on the later list. Trying to shoehorn it in there isn't going to change that. There are many things, such as detergent method, that will remain workable but unpleasant.

 

[Alain]

Well, it seems you didn't even read my post before answering.
Small poisonings like those you are talking about may have a VERY different effect with massive poisonings. That's what I say and that's what you try to ignore. Again ; you don't know what a massive poisoning would do to someone. You can't tell if they will pass out before experiencing anything else. That is actually what I would like to know. Because what you say here, I already know it and it does not help.

 

[Aap]

I do know. Why don't you spend some time on pub med or research in a toxicology or pharmacology text to be sure?