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Ammonite5

Ammonite5

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Jul 20, 2025
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I finished the PPH cover to cover as well as investigating the whole of exits internationals site. And wow, what a book, It feels like a lot of the same info on this site just more concise and organized. My options to die make more sense to me now. I'm glad for the book, but still while reading it I had a nagging thought. The community around the book, and really a number of people in this world seem to hold the belief that death belongs only to the old. That just because I'm not old and crippled I should be forced to exist in this pointless world. Why should age (Past adulthood) matter in the choice to live or die? Matter in MY choice. Like my youth means I should have less options, not more. Older folks choose to die because of terminal pain or because they have lived there life to the fullest (At least till they've had enough) and are ready to go. They have no more life left in them. I feel the same way. It is the same for me. I think a lot of the people have a significant amount more pain driving them to catch the bus then I do. For me its not a sharp pain, its a dull, utter lack of feelings. I don't want anything, nothing makes me happy or sad or mad or any of the basic human feelings I should. The only thing I feel is a urge to die. The only thing I want is to die and for my body to be in the place as my head already is. The PPH, and this site, they have given me the closest to a plan I've ever had. My next post will be exploring more of my options, running the plays, drawing up real, usable plans. A step by step path the end. Maybe that will make me happy, only one way to know.
For the record I don't mean to attack exit international, I think they have done some really great work, just some things (Like having to be over 50 to buy the full PPH) are dumb and wrong I feel.
For the record I don't want to seem to harsh on exit international, they have done some really great work, just some things (Like having to be over 50 to buy the full PPH) are dumb and wrong I feel.
 
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brokenspirited

brokenspirited

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May 20, 2025
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It's so heartless and cruel of them to exclude some of us from escaping our miserable and torturous existence.
 
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darkenmydoorstep

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Sep 27, 2023
622
I agree with you. As far as I see it, anyone of sane mind who is an adult should be able to easily access the means. I don't want 'help' (someone to do something to me, inject etc) but would merely like governments to stop obstructing a private seller/buyer arrangement when it comes to painless, reliable means in the form of Nembutal. It's nanny state gone mad. A pain free reliable death should be available for all who want it. If they are worried about its abuse, maybe put a six month chance to rethink on it for healthy people. That way any notion of possible 2nd thoughts can be addressed.
 
VoidButterfly

VoidButterfly

Flitterby
May 17, 2025
110
They probably do it for much the same reason that this site has decided that people in the UK don't deserve a space - to take the easy path and avoid consequences of genuine advocacy. This is also why they also now block UK members from their forums. Once you stand up and say "I think 20 year olds should be allowed to die" then people get pissy. They do at least offer membership to under 50s discretionally. I think any adult should be allowed on this site or exit, no-one has a monopoly on suffering.
 
Talvikki

Talvikki

Elementalist
Nov 18, 2021
848
Why 50? It was the idea of Philip Nitschke's wife, Fiona Stewart

Philip Nitschke: Hardly a day goes by without me receiving a huge amount of emails thanking me for my work. But there are also people angry at me because they hold me responsible for their child's death. And we once had the police at our door after a death threat. When I saw how seriously the police took it, I panicked for a moment.


Do the parents of those deceased children have a point? Are you responsible?

Philip Nitschke: There's no simple answer to that. We understand the grief and anger and empathize with them. Still, we don't think it's a good reason to stop our book. We're an easy target for grieving parents. Their anger partly stems from guilt. Parents often feel they could have prevented their child's suicide.

Fiona Stewart: I think we should protect 18-year-olds from themselves." She looks at Nitschke. "But I worry about this more than he does," she says.

Philip Nitschke: My vision is simple: don't keep people in the dark. In many countries, governments try to lower suicide rates by keeping information and lethal means away from people. The idea is: if people don't know how to commit suicide, they won't do it. I find that a strange approach. In a healthy society, people get good information so they can make rational decisions. Look, we also give 18-year-olds weapons and send them to wars. I believe every sound-minded adult has the right to this information. But the political reality is that you don't get away with that. That's why we set the age limit at 50 a long time ago. They have to be adults with life experience—whatever that may be. It was Fiona's idea.


Interview with Philip Nitschke, Author of The Peaceful Pill Handbook, and his wife Co-Author Fiona Stewart in a Belgian Newspaper

https://www.demorgen.be/nieuws/somm...arts-die-als-bijnaam-dr-death-kreeg~bdfa5ecf/
 
matt.7890

matt.7890

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Jul 28, 2025
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It is extremely unfair in my view. Imagine two scenarios of people: 1) Person who had healthy, normal life up until 50yo. Then he/she got serious illness with unbearable suffering. This person can easily get VAD and can do it without the need of acceptance from third person. 2) Imagine another person who got the same illness being let's say 30yo. Was it his/her fault or choice? Of course not. But this person now has to suffer for 20 years to get to VAD? Seems like it. That's why this doesn't make any sense at all. By definition, there cannot be a set age for everyone because everyone has different circumstances, different life experiences and it is not actually always the case that older person must be more mature and wise or whatever. In my opinion the only way in order for it to be fair is to set a condition of minimum time someone has to stick with his/her decision, for example a year or 2 for everyone being seriously ill.
 
KillingPain267

KillingPain267

Visionary
Apr 15, 2024
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I finished the PPH cover to cover as well as investigating the whole of exits internationals site. And wow, what a book, It feels like a lot of the same info on this site just more concise and organized. My options to die make more sense to me now. I'm glad for the book, but still while reading it I had a nagging thought. The community around the book, and really a number of people in this world seem to hold the belief that death belongs only to the old. That just because I'm not old and crippled I should be forced to exist in this pointless world. Why should age (Past adulthood) matter in the choice to live or die? Matter in MY choice. Like my youth means I should have less options, not more. Older folks choose to die because of terminal pain or because they have lived there life to the fullest (At least till they've had enough) and are ready to go. They have no more life left in them. I feel the same way. It is the same for me. I think a lot of the people have a significant amount more pain driving them to catch the bus then I do. For me its not a sharp pain, its a dull, utter lack of feelings. I don't want anything, nothing makes me happy or sad or mad or any of the basic human feelings I should. The only thing I feel is a urge to die. The only thing I want is to die and for my body to be in the place as my head already is. The PPH, and this site, they have given me the closest to a plan I've ever had. My next post will be exploring more of my options, running the plays, drawing up real, usable plans. A step by step path the end. Maybe that will make me happy, only one way to know.
For the record I don't mean to attack exit international, I think they have done some really great work, just some things (Like having to be over 50 to buy the full PPH) are dumb and wrong I feel.
For the record I don't want to seem to harsh on exit international, they have done some really great work, just some things (Like having to be over 50 to buy the full PPH) are dumb and wrong I feel.
They have to cover their ass legally. Believe it or not, most people already agree that the old and terminally ill should be helped to die medically, or at least eased medically as they wait to breathe their last. Supporting that is not that controversial. That's why they haven't been shut down yet by authorities like others have. But that we get a ripped pdf version of the book spread around for free is the best we got as of now.
 

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