CTB: differences between men & women?

[fightingsioux]

Women are less likely to engineer false alarms, the old "cry-for-help" thing. Men do that more often because many still feel that to really commit suicide is unmanly, they should just tough-it-out and endure. Women, on the other hand, are deeper thinkers, more in touch with themselves, and better planners: when they do it they do it!

Any thoughts on this?

 

[MeltingHeart]

Ive got a weird feeling this is gonna cause a heated debate for some reason...

Im not sure if men do, do the whole cry for help thing- i think they dont do half -hearted attempts as much, they statistically choose more violent & sucessful methods-firearms, jumping etc (does it make sense to write do, do?)

Women statistically attempt more (using methods with lower fatality outcome)-so dont suceed as much as men-normally things like OD's/ poison, prob cos they are less violent genetically and also wanna 'look nice' still (lol)

I do think women might plan more methodically maybe & men may be slightly more impulsive though.

 

[Sensei]

Women are less likely to engineer false alarms, the old "cry-for-help" thing. Men do that more often because many still feel that to really commit suicide is unmanly, they should just tough-it-out and endure. Women, on the other hand, are deeper thinkers, more in touch with themselves, and better planners: when they do they do it!

Any thoughts on this?

I've actually read up on this and this is not my impression at all. Many more men than women commit suicide. It's much more common that women make failed suicide attempts than men. Women seek help much more often.

 

[LegaliseIt!]

If you are looking for previously untried ctb method, I can use my mad librarian skills to bore you to death with peer reviewed clinical studies!

 

[k75]

I'm a woman... not an attempter, no cries for help, very much carefully planning. So using one case study, the theory at least partly checks out. LOL

I think the real difference is men seem to prefer much more violent methods. I shy away from pain and gore in my own suicide. I guess I'm more worried about not being a mess in the end too? I'm not likely to ever use a gun, anything that traumatizes innocent bystanders, or to jump from any height.

 

[Flume]

Women are less likely to engineer false alarms, the old "cry-for-help" thing. Men do that more often because many still feel that to really commit suicide is unmanly, they should just tough-it-out and endure. Women, on the other hand, are deeper thinkers, more in touch with themselves, and better planners: when they do they do it!

Any thoughts on this?

Well I completely disagree with pretty much everything.

 

[LegaliseIt!]

Actually I think that evolution shows that generally men are way more rational and logic.

lol. Do post some evidence. In between hysterical bursts of seemingly random female activity, I would like to see the scientific evidence behind your statement,
Peaceful request,
L

 

[Manja]

I think a cry for help would be much more wimpy than a straight suicide...Me, I don't care about mess, I just hate violence

 

[dumdumdedum]

Well I completely disagree with pretty much everything.

me too. what a load of unsubstantiated hogwash. citations needed. otherwise, this is simply self-serving sexist drivel.

 

[fightingsioux]

Corrected a typo and more importantly added some oft-forgotten and much needed words: in my humble opinion. I'm as guilty as the next person for doing that.

Sorry for that, my bad. But I'm as always still interested in the opinions of other posters on this topic.

 

[MeltingHeart]

Ive got a weird feeling this is gonna cause a heated debate for some reason...

Im not sure if men do, do the whole cry for help thing- i think they dont do half -hearted attempts as much, they statistically choose more violent & sucessful methods-firearms, jumping etc (does it make sense to write do, do?)

Women statistically attempt more (using methods with lower fatality outcome)-so dont suceed as much as men-normally things like OD's/ poison, prob cos they are less violent genetically and also wanna 'look nice' still (lol)

I do think women might plan more methodically maybe & men may be slightly more impulsive though.

Forgot to add: Men might keep there feelings hidden for longer because that is unmanly-and then suddenly just do it one day without warning. I feel women might exhibit more warning signs as we are more emotional-but men will prob just communicate even less that usual if they are feeling bad. Hence this very sad statistic: Suicide is the single biggest killer of men under the age of 45 in the country. (UK)

me too. what a load of unsubstantiated hogwash. citations needed. otherwise, this is simply self-serving sexist drivel.

I dont think he meant to imply or state it as fact at all, i think it was posted as just a thought or idea, a proposal if you will-hence why he opened up the statement for discussion, by inviting thoughts? Like the start of discussion group or debate type thing.

 

[fightingsioux]

lol. Do post some evidence. In between hysterical bursts of seemingly random female activity, I would like to see the scientific evidence behind your statement,
Peaceful request,
L

I also respectively disagree with that statement. But that's what makes civilized debate interesting.

 

[C_F]

I believe more women attempt, but I think more men die by suicide because they're more likely to choose methods like using a gun or hanging, while women tend to use less "violent" methods like pills or slitting of the wrists - which are often less successful.

 

[LegaliseIt!]

I also respectively disagree with that statement. But that's what makes civilized debate interesting.

TBH, I actually don't understand "respectively" in this context. I don't have a full education, so I get lost sometimes. (Not sarcasm) Could you please swap out respectively for a less complex word?

 

[MeltingHeart]

TBH, I actually don't understand "respectively" in this context. I don't have a full education, so I get lost sometimes. Could you please swap out respectively for a less complex word?

i think it might be a typo, probs meant to be: respectfully

 

[k75]

TBH, I actually don't understand "respectively" in this context. I don't have a full education, so I get lost sometimes. Could you please swap out respectively for a less complex word?

He means he disagrees with you but he's not trying to pick a fight.

 

[LegaliseIt!]

I believe more women attempt, but I think more men die by suicide because they're more likely to choose methods like using a gun or hanging, while women tend to use less "violent" methods like pills or slitting of the wrists - which are often less successful.

The contemporary meta-data supports this.

i think it might be a typo, probs meant to be: respectfully

Thank you @MeltingHeart
The auto-correct has struck again! My apologies @fightingsioux

 

[Edward1]

If you are looking for previously untried ctb method, I can use my mad librarian skills to bore you to death with peer reviewed clinical studies!

Come on then, we're all waiting....

 

[Jean4]

Nobody planned details more than Stan. He even thought to mail me a letter and Christmas gift. I am prone to impulsive CTB.

 

[passenger27]

Besides maybe some morbid thrill seekers, almost everybody on this site is contemplating or has contemplated suicide, so I'd say we're all planners. We have that much in common at least.

The forum statistics say there are over 9800 SS members. It would be interesting to know how many are men and how many women. Maybe that would shed a little light on this?

 

[MeltingHeart]

Besides maybe some morbid thrill seekers, almost everybody on this site is contemplating or has contemplated suicide, so I'd say we're all planners. We have that much in common at least.

The forum statistics say there are over 9800 SS members. It would be interesting to know how many are men and how many women. Maybe that would shed a little light on this?

i think there was a survey done recently on here re; F/M ratio on SS

 

[passenger27]

i think there was a survey done recently on here re; F/M ratio on SS

Oh right. I remember that survey now. Thanks for reminding me, I'll have to check it out again.

 

[MeltingHeart]

Oh right. I remember that survey now. Thanks for reminding me, I'll have to check it out again.

no woes.

 

[k75]

It was almost 50/50.

 

[zherhk]

I don't wanna sound like the cheerleader of my own gender.
The thread opener statement could underline an advantage for female.
Mine, could underline an advantage for males.
I see the riot since todays, the conflict about male and female equality went crazy with a lot of hate, and media etc are pushing in a specific direction just to increase the flame.
I think that there isn't a win-win relationship between male and female at all and that each one generally want to crush the other using different behavior to own advantage.


Brains are wired differently and if generally (as i wrote and underlined the fact that was my thought), on average, males are more capable with x equals that for other aspects, always generally, on average, female are more capable on y.

Even if I link one study, and it does agree to what I did say, there could be just one study that say the opposite.
So your/our/mine opinions aren't worth anything anymore because Z says so?

And who makes this studies? Doctors etc, that tell people they are not normal by thinking X because, from papers (like those studies) people generally think Y.

My sentence was made out my experience, and yeah I had some scientific confirmation and I read also some opposition about my opinion, but I didn't change my mind because of that.
And I hope that other people don't change the way they truly think only because something 'official' comes out and so you need to fit in and align your thoughts otherwise they are completely wrong.

I'm gonna delete my first post since I believe could be really misunderstood in a way that underlines univocally that males are better no matter what.
The last thing we need here are fights, and I apologize if it sounded like a provocation to someone.

 

[Realist101]

Couldn't disagree more.

I don't want to bash men or women, but the reality is actually the opposite of what you've just said.

Men are much less likely to seek out help, for both physical and mental health. Men almost always repress how they truly feel, becuase people don't seem to care as much. You, for example, seem deeply bothered by any sight of emotional expression from men.

Men have a higher suicide rate than women in nearly every country in the world.

Apparently, women attempt 2x more than men, but why do they die so much less and use methods that don't work so often? Using the male methods (like guns, hanging) seem to be a much greater sign of rationality and planning than swallowing a handful of sleeping pills that could never really lead to death.

I hate generalizing, but this is just the reality that you blatantly deny.

 

[MeltingHeart]

Couldn't disagree more.

I don't want to bash men or women, but the reality is actually the opposite of what you've just said.

Men are much less likely to seek out help, for both physical and mental health. Men almost always repress how they truly feel, becuase people don't seem to care as much. You, for example, seem deeply bothered by any sight of emotional expression from men.

Men have a higher suicide rate than women in nearly every country in the world.

It is said that women attempt 2x more than men, but why do they die so much less and use methods that don't work so often? Using the male methods (like guns, hanging) seem to be a much greater sign of rationality and planning than swallowing a handful of sleeping pills that could never really lead to death.

I hate generalizing, but this is just the reality that you blatantly deny.

I agree that men will have a tendency to repress their emotions & to not seek help & also that they are not more likely to do a "cry for help" however I don't think using guns or hanging is an indicator of more rationally in suicide necessarily - but rather that tendency to being able to act more violently (due to repressed emotions) and maybe more impulsively too- where they have kept things locked up for so long- they just snap emotionally & act in the moment (in many cases- not all of course)

 

[Realist101]

I agree that men will have a tendency to repress their emotions & to not seek help & also that they are not more likely to do a "cry for help" however I don't think using guns or hanging is an indicator of more rationally in suicide necessarily - but rather that tendency to being able to act more violently (due to repressed emotions) and maybe more impulsively too- where they have kept things locked up for so long- they just snap emotionally & act in the moment (in many cases- not all of course)

That makes sense and I think those are good points. But, if someones goal is suicide, it is simply more rational to end up using methods that are more likely to succeed, like guns rather than sleeping pills.

I'm not saying men are more rational, but it may be that their attempts are more rational due to the factors you mentioned. Seems like we agree.

 

[MeltingHeart]

That makes sense and I think those are good points. But, if someones goal is suicide, it is simply more rational to end up using methods that are more likely to succeed, like guns rather than sleeping pills.

I'm not saying men are more rational, but it may be that their attempts are more rational due to the factors you mentioned. Seems like we agree.

True, see what u mean, maybe in a sense u can be rational but impulsive at the same time.

 

[Final Escape]

Women are less likely to engineer false alarms, the old "cry-for-help" thing. Men do that more often because many still feel that to really commit suicide is unmanly, they should just tough-it-out and endure. Women, on the other hand, are deeper thinkers, more in touch with themselves, and better planners: when they do it they do it!

Any thoughts on this?

I actually thought women did more of the cry for help thing. Men just use more lethal methods I guess. But now with more info and better access to lethal items needed, I'll bet more women will succeed on the first try. I think there's deep thinkers in both sexes equally.