Consciousness after death?

[Dawn0071111]

Actually there have been cases of people coming back from death more then 24 hours later.

Please cite your source? As far As i know there have been no medically confirmed report of a DEAD person coming bsck to life after a day.

 

[veren4h92l]

Law of nature seems to feel like everything strives to thrive.
May it be that consciousness passes by but it's potential doesn't dissolve.
It's just beyond human imagination I guess. Human brain always needs to believe in something otherwise...here we go nuts.
I think from a living perspective that there is consciousness until death is achieved

 

[Lovedove]

I was once a Richard Dawkins supporting militant atheist. I went to a rally in Washington DC put on by Dawkins and others called the "Reason Rally"

I have seen things though in life, that make me doubt this is the last stop..

The ability of consciousness to seemingly travel, even in my own experience, lends me to believe that there may be purpose.. that somehow all experience may be being catalogued somewhere.. and perhaps.. we go to the next experience..
I would challenge a lot of people to try a good hefty dose of ketamine with some DMT or LSD or mushrooms and tell me what they think is or isn't possible anymore. ;)

That being said I've already decided to take my exit soon so, I might be biased.
Hopefully I don't end up in hell with some sort of devil raping me.. but in that scenario I'd probably act like I like it to antagonize him..

Excellent comment! Totally agree with you. Keep raving

 

[woxihuanni]

I don't know why this irritates me so much, but you know when you deliberately meddle with your physical brain and it does unusual things... Surprise surprise! If anything, it is proof that the mind is all physical. The only thing that can make me even entertain the suspicion there might be something out there is stuff that happens without going out of my fucking way to make it happen. Even then, who knows if it is my ape brain finding patterns out of chaos.

 

[jesse]

I believe consciousness is a (highly sophisticated) tool of survival crafted by the long processes of evolution. If you believe that, then it follows that there is no consciousness after death. Tools of survival are no longer necessary when you are dead.

 

[kdu0]

I want to believe there is nothing conscious after death.

same
imagine ending your suffering just to find out it's eternal

 

[veren4h92l]

same
imagine ending your suffering just to find out it's eternal

Won't be
Jesse has a point there .

 

[clarelively]

Actually there have been cases of people coming back from death more then 24 hours later.

Really? Give us some examples

 

[eremito]

I wonder about near death experience which can tell me something about what I can expect after death. I have read about suicide survivors. According to their reports NDE (positive/negative) does not depend on the type of death. I don't know what to think of that. Some suicide survivors claimed they have had very positive experience, some have seen ghastly visions. I wonder whether NDE can be foretaste of what is going to happen next. Has anyone thought of this?

 

[IsadoraBeauxdraps]

Please cite your source? As far As i know there have been no medically confirmed report of a DEAD person coming bsck to life after a day.

Hi Dawn0071111,

The problem is not so much to think about the amount of time when these people was « dead », but rather to understand how some people with absolutely no brain activities measured for some time can describe what happened precisely during that time.
There's a lot of doctors who have the courage to report this, that their patients couldn't deduce before or after details about the surgical intervention, what it has been precisely done and said, sometimes even in another rooms, when their brains was absolutely unable to perceive anything.

I wonder about near death experience which can tell me something about what I can expect after death. I have read about suicide survivors. According to their reports NDE (positive/negative) does not depend on the type of death. I don't know what to think of that. Some suicide survivors claimed they have had very positive experience, some have seen ghastly visions. I wonder whether NDE can be foretaste of what is going to happen next. Has anyone thought of this?

Hi eremito,
As you, NDE pattern troubles me a lot. At this frontier we can only imagine.
Maybe it's just in the image of the world, I mean what exists in the universal consciousness, and not related to what you have done in your life.
I find positive ones are a little too ideal, and negative ones are way too horrible. Really weird. Only two poles.
I had somnambulism crisis in my childhood. I was half conscious and half in « another dimension ». I couldn't describe it because it was so strange, really traumatic for the child that I was.
And when people try to explain their negative nde, it sounds like what I was feeling at that time.
This scares me, and sometimes I would prefer the void.

 

[Dawn0071111]

Hi Dawn0071111,

The problem is not so much to think about the amount of time when these people was « dead », but rather to understand how some people with absolutely no brain activities measured for some time can describe what happened precisely during that time.
There's a lot of doctors who have the courage to report this, that their patients couldn't deduce before or after details about the surgical intervention, what it has been precisely done and said, sometimes even in another rooms, when their brains was absolutely unable to perceive anything.

Hi eremito,
As you, NDE pattern troubles me a lot. At this frontier we can only imagine.
Maybe it's just in the image of the world, I mean what exists in the universal consciousness, and not related to what you have done in your life.
I find positive ones are a little too ideal, and negative ones are way too horrible. Really weird. Only two poles.
I had somnambulism crisis in my childhood. I was half conscious and half in « another dimension ». I couldn't describe it because it was so strange, really traumatic for the child that I was.
And when people try to explain their negative nde, it sounds like what I was feeling at that time.
This scares me, and sometimes I would prefer the void.

Yes, but that is not DEAD. How did wego from Clinically dead and back to life after 24 hours.... to A surgical intervention or not having brain activity that cant be monitored? Thats not dead, and no one has any proof of a " I died... was dead for 24 hours, THEN came back with a report. Death is a process, that once complete, cannot be reversed. So that is why all this stuff is called NEAR-DEATH experinces. The brain atill has some function, and if the brain still has enough activity to produce experince, guess what? By definition, ya aint dead. BTW, I have had out of body exp, and ASP (awreness sleep paralysis) so I know what having a strange exp is like.. but still no one has reported true death. 24 hours. And then they came back to tell us about what lies post death. So all the visions, tunnels of light, angels, heaven/hell, dimensions, etc. Still can be seen as part of what a DYING brain can offer.... Not a DEAD brain..... Sorry, but "near death" is not death.... there is ao much that can be experinced in a DYING state.... but complete death does not have to occur..... so all we have is someones experince on what dying was like.... not death.... just the process..... but for some reason, the process stopped and was reversed.... and thus reports that are misconstrued as this oerson died and came back. Bullshit, they were never dead.

 

[IsadoraBeauxdraps]

Yes, but that is not DEAD. How did wego from Clinically dead and back to life after 24 hours.... to A surgical intervention or not having brain activity that cant be monitored? Thats not dead, and no one has any proof of a " I died... was dead for 24 hours, THEN came back with a report. Death is a process, that once complete, cannot be reversed. So that is why all this stuff is called NEAR-DEATH experinces. The brain atill has some function, and if the brain still has enough activity to produce experince, guess what? By definition, ya aint dead. BTW, I have had out of body exp, and ASP (awreness sleep paralysis) so I know what having a strange exp is like.. but still no one has reported true death. 24 hours. And then they came back to tell us about what lies post death. So all the visions, tunnels of light, angels, heaven/hell, dimensions, etc. Still can be seen as part of what a DYING brain can offer.... Not a DEAD brain..... Sorry, but "near death" is not death.... there is ao much that can be experinced in a DYING state.... but complete death does not have to occur..... so all we have is someones experince on what dying was like.... not death.... just the process..... but for some reason, the process stopped and was reversed.... and thus reports that are misconstrued as this oerson died and came back. Bullshit, they were never dead.

Hi Dawn,

I'm happy to exchange opinions with you, don't see anything dismissive in my post, ok ?

I never said it was an absolute proof, because effectively death is a frontier from which we can't come back. This is why I said previously that's all about intuition.
We could at least study this phenomenon and ask ourselves how is it possible that a brain with apparently no activities gave the possibility to these people to perceive distant precise facts. We could at least think that consciousness is not trapped in the body, and that would be something.

You seems to believe in the evidence of the void, right ?
But that's exactly the same thing. We have no proof that such a thing exists. We just know that we all are a consciousness, that's all. When you experience void in our world, that's just a lack of something inside something.
Real void is ultimate void.
Void, then consciousness, then void, that's not real void, that's a potentiality of something.

There's a lot of people in this forum that have been traumatized with religious people, and I can tell you that I'm in the same boat, cause when I attempted suicide my best friend who was religious abandoned me.
But I don't want to be reassured by a theory, and affirm that this is the truth , I just want to approach the truth, and to face it with dignity, whatever it is.

I wish you a nice day.

 

[Darkdreamer001]

I astral projected a few times so I know there is an afterlife. Besides that I've experienced ghosts a hand full of times throughout my life too.

I hope its better than this place

 

[Sweet emotion]

I'm so hoping there is something, and something better than this.

I fit pretty firmly in the category of "doesn't want to die, just can't stand living".

Actually, I really do want to live, just not on this miserable planet. I only want to die out of resignation, and I feel resentful of that. So, I guess all I'm left with is hoping that there is maybe something better hereafter?

If there isn't I guess I'll be none the wiser, it still bothers me though.

Any thoughts are appreciated.

I feel the same way you do. I have the highest ranking pain condition in medical history and I'm never going to get better. I have had it for 14 years already and wont allow myself to suffer like this anymore because it is inhumane. I don't think anyone really wants to die but sometimes the situation we are in is so awful that death is the only way out of it. I worry about what is after this as well and it scares me.

 

[Lisa]

I astral projected a few times so I know there is an afterlife. Besides that I've experienced ghosts a hand full of times throughout my life too.

Care to share some ghost stories?? I'm all ears if you do...

 

[toomuchgrief]

Tbh, I don't think there spirit or ghost. No consciousness after death. Death is the end. I think it just blankness space, or just like when you put under anesthesia during surgery, death is like that but eternity never wake up.

There no spirit or ghost. I give an example.
I remember read a news a long long time ago about a 7 year olds who committed suicide by ran in front of a approaching train railroad track on her way going to school (her sibling wasn't able to pull her back), just so she can be with her dead mother. She said she just wants to die and be with her mother.

IF there spirit or ghost, then this spirit/ghost of the mother will somehow make the train slower down or make a wind or whatever to help her poor 7 year olds daughter, guess what? Nothing. The 7 year old girl was pronounced dead on scene before even take to hospital.

I read this news a long time ago, but it stuck stick in my head due to this prove to me, there no such thing as afterlife or spirit.

Sadly, death is really the end to everything.

 

[Death_is_Escape]

I'm so hoping there is something, and something better than this.

I fit pretty firmly in the category of "doesn't want to die, just can't stand living".

Actually, I really do want to live, just not on this miserable planet. I only want to die out of resignation, and I feel resentful of that. So, I guess all I'm left with is hoping that there is maybe something better hereafter?

If there isn't I guess I'll be none the wiser, it still bothers me though.

Any thoughts are appreciated.

I don't think you continue unless you want to: I don't. Why? Painful memories.

 

[c824767]

I'm so hoping there is something, and something better than this.

I fit pretty firmly in the category of "doesn't want to die, just can't stand living".

Actually, I really do want to live, just not on this miserable planet. I only want to die out of resignation, and I feel resentful of that. So, I guess all I'm left with is hoping that there is maybe something better hereafter?

If there isn't I guess I'll be none the wiser, it still bothers me though.

Any thoughts are appreciated.

or change the planet ? Greta Thunberg is doing it...

There are as many views on this subject as there are people on the planet. I believe we are part of something much larger than ourselves and people who are afraid to die are simply attached to their egos - they can't imagine a reality where they don't exist, so they make up an after life where there is reward and punishment but where they still exist. I think we merge back into something much larger than ourselves, back to universal energy but without the egoic identifiers. This thought brings me a lot of peace, but you will have to find your own beliefs. No other person's beliefs can help you when you are contemplating your own death, as most people here are.

I think other peoples' beliefs can help. This is what Wikipedia says, I like how they put the instinctive views of children in with this:

Regarding the mind–body problem, most neuroscientists take a physicalist position according to which consciousness derives from and/or is reducible to physical phenomena such as neuronal activity occurring in the brain.[105][106] The implication of this premise is that once the brain stops functioning at brain death, consciousness fails to survive and ceases to exist.[107][108] Theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking rejected the concept of an afterlife, saying, "I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark".[109]

Psychological proposals for the origin of a belief in an afterlife include cognitive disposition, cultural learning, and as an intuitive religious idea.[110] In one study, children were able to recognize the ending of physical, mental, and perceptual activity in death, but were hesitant to conclude the ending of will, self, or emotion in death.[111]

In 2008, a large-scale study conducted by the University of Southampton involving 2060 patients from 15 hospitals in the United Kingdom, United States and Austria was launched. The AWARE (AWAreness during REsuscitation) study examined the broad range of mental experiences in relation to death. In a large study, researchers also tested the validity of conscious experiences for the first time using objective markers, to determine whether claims of awareness compatible with out-of-body experiences correspond with real or hallucinatory events.[112] The results revealed that 40% of those who survived a cardiac arrest were aware during the time that they were clinically dead and before their hearts were restarted. Dr. Parnia, in the interview stated: "The evidence thus far suggests that in the first few minutes after death, consciousness is not annihilated.