Channel 4 documentary about Kenneth Law and suicide forums

[vanillamilkshakes]

The parents always love to place the blame on anything/anyone else. As previously mentioned, take away the SN and there's still many ways of taking ones life. Why don't we talk more on the situation that lead up up to their suicide?

 

[betternever2havbeen]

"and a website which appears to be shipping a lethal poison around the world…"

If thy r talkng abt SaSu thn thy appr 2 b talkng bll-sht

I think they might be talking about KL's websites as the reporter started investigating before KL was arrested but can't be sure as obviously the websites he had are shut down now.

That's a good point. Apparently he went on a rant to an uncover reporter who recorded him saying that he is "doing God's work" and bragging that he sent out hundreds of packages of SN to people around the world and according to him " many, many, people have died." He's already admitted what he did and that he knows what people were buying the SN for. That's just plain stupid

Oh definitely, I can't believe how open he was when the reporter was asking all those questions. He clearly got very cocky. Not defending him but just saying the bar for finding him guilty of literal murder will have to be really high.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

"The investigation into uncovering the poison seller plays out like an emotional drama, with nail-biting suspense. This series reveals the darker world of the internet and will hopefully help to break the social silence around suicide."

Yeah, no. This sentence right here in the article shows how little tact these reporters and producers have towards this matter. You can't say you want to break the silence about suicide but then refer to people's struggles as some dark, suspenseful, drama. The real stories of what lead people down that route shouldn't be used as a cheap display of public entertainment.

It's just a way for them to get clicks, views, and accolades. In the UK media, you will often see this type of character saying they're bringing awareness towards an issue, and pat themselves on the back for doing so, but then no actual pragmatic steps are taken to address the root causes of suicide. Instead of wasting taxpayer money on those gaudy BBC hit pieces, and paying the salary of these "investigative journalists" they should put their money into research and improving the health services.

As usual, there is no respect for those who are struggling to the point where we would rather be dead. But like I said, it's not genuine. Seeming like you care about social issues is seen as a noble thing.

 

[Dot]

I think they might be talking about KL's websites as the reporter started investigating before KL was arrested but can't be sure as obviously the websites he had are shut down now.

Yh = pssble bt ws writtn in th/ presnt tnse whch mde slf wondr whthr thy wre tryn2 refr t/ SaSu -- lke u sd KL webstes wre closd dwn 18 mnths bck

Slf ws tryn2 xplain 2 sme1 in cht recntly tht th/ Tantcrul 'subscriptn servce' ds nt xist eithr

Also, the father going after the person who sold the poison really shows how much he didn't and doesn't care about his son's motives for ctb. If I was him, I'd be asking myself every day if I was the culprit of my son's death, if I had been negligent. But no, let's scratch all that, his death was a mistake and the evil bad guy is the person who sold an item for which the son paid for and now surely that father will be riding this wave of adoration as if he is some kind of saviour.

Am nt a persn 2 defnd fixrs bt tbf = cld alwys b bth

Thy cld b feelng tht sme1 tk advantge of thr chld whle thr chld ws suffrng wth thngs tht th/ parnt dd nt knw abt & obvsly wll nt hve th/ chnce 2 rsolve nw

Thn agn slf am in th/ camp of ppl wh/ wll nevr hve sympthy fr KL

 

[sevennn]

"The investigation into uncovering the poison seller plays out like an emotional drama, with nail-biting suspense. This series reveals the darker world of the internet and will hopefully help to break the social silence around suicide."

Yeah, no. This sentence right here in the article shows how little tact these reporters and producers have towards this matter. You can't say you want to break the silence about suicide but then refer to people's struggles as some dark, suspenseful, drama. The real stories of what lead people down that route shouldn't be used as a cheap display of public entertainment.

It's just a way for them to get clicks, views, and accolades. In the UK media, you will often see this type of character saying they're bringing awareness towards an issue, and pat themselves on the back for doing so, but then no actual pragmatic steps are taken to address the root causes of suicide. Instead of wasting taxpayer money on those gaudy BBC hit pieces, and paying the salary of these "investigative journalists" they should put their money into research and improving the health services.

As usual, there is no respect for those who are struggling to the point where we would rather be dead. But like I said, it's not genuine. Seeming like you care about social issues is seen as a noble thing.

you said what i wanted to say, yeah. we are just entertainment

 

[Emeralds]

Oh definitely, I can't believe how open he was when the reporter was asking all those questions. He clearly got very cocky. Not defending him but just saying the bar for finding him guilty of literal murder will have to be really high.

Convicting him for first degree murder does seem unlikely. Most likely the D.A.charged him with the first degree murder in an attempt to make something stick. They probably will settle for lesser charges once his trial begins. They do have a strong case against him for assisted suicide. He did offer phone consultations and advise people on how to end their life with SN. It depends on how much they can actually prove and how they present it to be jury.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Great. This is just what I and we needed. More exploitative voyeuristic journalistic smoke and mirrors bs that won't actually achieve any of its purported aims when it comes to the reduction of suicide that is actually ACCOMPANIED by alleviation of suffering

Not everyone who ordered from that guy was an impetuous youth blinded by adolescent despondency and despair.

 

[Nicholas22231]

It's so asinine to me that instead of trying to figure out on why these people commit ctb, they just want to take down the site as if that'll solve something, I'm pretty sure 90% of people who commit suicide never even heard of this forum.

And don't get me started on that shitty father trying to find the person that sold the poison to his son--- either way, his son wouldve probably still ctb through other (maybe even more gruesome) methods.

 

[Emeralds]

Also, the father going after the person who sold the poison really shows how much he didn't and doesn't care about his son's motives for ctb. If I was him, I'd be asking myself every day if I was the culprit of my son's death, if I had been negligent. But no, let's scratch all that, his death was a mistake and the evil bad guy is the person who sold an item for which the son paid for and now surely that father will be riding this wave of adoration as if he is some kind of saviour.

And don't get me started on that shitty father trying to find the person that sold the poison to his son--- either way, his son wouldve probably still ctb through other (maybe even more gruesome) methods.

I listened to an interview his father gave after his son's death. He sounded like a nice man. He wasn't a bad father. He cared enough about his son to investigate the circumstances of his death. A bad parent wouldn't have done that. Honestly if I had a son or daughter that killed themself I would done the same thing.

No one here knows this man who killed himself or his family. They shouldn't be attacking his family and blaming them for his death. They don't know more than anyone else what the circumstances were that lead to his death. They don't know that his family was the reason that he did it. No one knows if he would have ended his life if he didn't buy SN from Ken. Maybe he would have, but maybe he wouldn't have.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

Yh = pssble bt ws writtn in th/ presnt tnse whch mde slf wondr whthr thy wre tryn2 refr t/ SaSu -- lke u sd KL webstes wre closd dwn 18 mnths bck

Slf ws tryn2 xplain 2 sme1 in cht recntly tht th/ Tantcrul 'subscriptn servce' ds nt xist eithr

Oh god yeah I forgot all about the Tantacrul lies. The so called "subscription" was news to us all!

Convicting him for first degree murder does seem unlikely. Most likely the D.A.charged him with the first degree murder in an attempt to make something stick. They probably will settle for lesser charges once his trial begins. They do have a strong case against him for assisted suicide. He did offer phone consultations and advise people on how to end their life with SN. It depends on how much they can actually prove and how they present it to be jury.

Yeah when I heard he was advising people to that extent it kinda makes sense he's in deep shit now. Although how much advice does anyone really need for SN it's not exactly complicated. Maybe he thought since SN is legal he'd be ok. It's actually wild when you think he has ended up with unprecedented murder charges. Although he knew people were onto him but was apparently like "I've still got stock left" like dude just stop.

No one here knows this man who killed himself or his family. They shouldn't be attacking his family and blaming them for his death. They don't know more than anyone else what the circumstances were that lead to his death. They don't know that his family was the reason that he did it. No one knows if he would have ended his life if he didn't buy SN from Ken. Maybe he would have, but maybe he wouldn't have.

Tom almost certainly would've been thinking about and researching other methods to take his life before he ever came across SN. Maybe he wouldn't have gone through with other methods but then none of us including his dad knows that. At the end of the day the dad doesn't know what his son was thinking anymore than we do. His son CHOSE to buy from KL, he was an adult and he made that decision for himself.

@KuriGohan&Kamehameha yeah you're totally right with the way they're describing it. I raised my eyebrow at that too, it just seems really disrespectful to portray it like some gripping drama.

 

[RosebyAnyName]

"The investigation into uncovering the poison seller plays out like an emotional drama, with nail-biting suspense. This series reveals the darker world of the internet and will hopefully help to break the social silence around suicide."

Yeah, no. This sentence right here in the article shows how little tact these reporters and producers have towards this matter. You can't say you want to break the silence about suicide but then refer to people's struggles as some dark, suspenseful, drama. The real stories of what lead people down that route shouldn't be used as a cheap display of public entertainment.

It's just a way for them to get clicks, views, and accolades. In the UK media, you will often see this type of character saying they're bringing awareness towards an issue, and pat themselves on the back for doing so, but then no actual pragmatic steps are taken to address the root causes of suicide. Instead of wasting taxpayer money on those gaudy BBC hit pieces, and paying the salary of these "investigative journalists" they should put their money into research and improving the health services.

As usual, there is no respect for those who are struggling to the point where we would rather be dead. But like I said, it's not genuine. Seeming like you care about social issues is seen as a noble thing.

This is exactly what I was thinking.

"Suicide is so awful and nobody should commit suicide because of, uh.... we totally care about the lives of people who are stuggling! We definitely don't just want to make entertainment TV for the masses. Now all you suicidal people better not kill yourselves, how else are we going to keep gawking at you?"

Someone writing a sensationalized documentary about a suicide forum almost feels like something out of a South Park episode.

 

[lostintheloop]

The ironic thing is (just like other 'exposure' articles and videos) is that it'll only bring more suicidal people here .
Sure they'll avoid naming the site or SN but people will very quickly be able to figure it out.
Surely it's just going to bring the exact opposite awareness to what they want.

 

[vanillamilkshakes]

The ironic thing is (just like other 'exposure' articles and videos) is that it'll only bring more suicidal people here .
Sure they'll avoid naming the site or SN but people will very quickly be able to figure it out.
Surely it's just going to bring the exact opposite awareness to what they want.

Exactly! One of the articles they wrote about this website is how I discovered it.

 

[Dot]

Oh god yeah I forgot all about the Tantacrul lies. The so called "subscription" was news to us all!

Yh - & tht modr8trs wre 'paid' & hd financl incentves 2 'psh' ppl t/ ctb undr sme parkng-tickt styl quota

Rathr thn jst b-ing othr suicdl ppl wh/ wantd 2 cntribte t/ th/ frum tht helpd thm also & hlp kp trlls scammrs pred8trs & minrs awy

Yeah when I heard he was advising people to that extent it kinda makes sense he's in deep shit now. Although how much advice does anyone really need for SN it's not exactly complicated. Maybe he thought since SN is legal he'd be ok. It's actually wild when you think he has ended up with unprecedented murder charges. Although he knew people were onto him but was apparently like "I've still got stock left" like dude just stop.

Yh nt only ws h/ advisng ppl bt h/ ws chargng £99 apprx fr consltatns of hw 2 excute certn methds

Tht = a whle othr levl of intentn

Stll nt sre hw tht = murdr tho

Am assumng tht proscutrs r usng th/ financl motivatn & allegd marktng of SN as sme typ of 'groomng' angl

 

[betternever2havbeen]

Yh - & tht modr8trs wre 'paid' & hd financl incentves 2 'psh' ppl t/ ctb undr sme parkng-tickt styl quota

Rathr thn jst b-ing othr suicdl ppl wh/ wantd 2 cntribte t/ th/ frum tht helpd thm also & hlp kp trlls scammrs pred8trs & minrs awy

Really wow that's nuts. Thanks for doing all you do, can't imagine what sort of nonsense mods must have to put up with!

Yh nt only ws h/ advisng ppl bt h/ ws chargng £99 apprx fr consltatns of hw 2 excute certn methds

Tht = a whle othr levl of intentn

Stll nt sre hw tht = murdr tho

Am assumng tht proscutrs r usng th/ financl motivatn & allegd marktng of SN as sme typ of 'groomng' angl

Damn he was really exploiting people in the worst possible way. Seems like he deserves some jail time for sure, am with you on the murder part tho, can't see that sticking.

I wonder if I was jumping to conclusions about the reporter of this documentary, maybe he was only posing undercover whilst talking to KL. His podcast only mentioned this site very briefly so I'm hoping the documentary is mainly about KL and his website/s and little if anything about Sasu. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[J&L383]

by taking away methods they only take away peaceful suicide. that's all. that's all that happens. i'm tired of this shit. these are grown people. believing in bullshit

Exactly.