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[ijustwishtodie]

Partially our suffering is a factor in this but it is mostly our ability to question the morality and positives and negatives in everything. I have questioned the morality of other actions that most people see as immoral but to me isn't.

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589. I guess suffering is a part of it though you are right to use the word "partially" as I know many people who are suffering in 3rd world countries due to religion to where some of them are even suicidal but they cling on to pro life anf religious beliefs in the end. I guess that questioning morality is a part of it. Like everybody else in life, I was able to say that "life isn't fair" but what I couldn't reconcile with is why people say "just deal with it" instead of trying to do something about this unfairness. I also questioned as to why somebody should have to live in a world that isn't inherently fair and could fuck them up. Just the fact that homeless people and extremely detailed mansions exist in the same piece of land makes me acknowledge the inequity of the world and that these two things should not be existing simultaneously.

Also, you said that you were a pro mortalist. I'm curious as to how you would define this term as I see different people defining it differently. I'm also curious as to whether you heard about jiwoon hwang. He made a paper on pro mortalism before he went through a horrific suicide attempt which failed and thus caused doctors to prolong his misery for a few more months before he finally got the release from life via death. I feel so bad for him but I'm glad that he's at peace now

 

[Namelesa]

Also, you said that you were a pro mortalist. I'm curious as to how you would define this term as I see different people defining it differently. I'm also curious as to whether you heard about jiwoon hwang. He made a paper on pro mortalism before he went through a horrific suicide attempt which failed and thus caused doctors to prolong his misery for a few more months before he finally got the release from life via death. I feel so bad for him but I'm glad that he's at peace now

I don't know if I would call myself a full pro mortalist but I am definitely not against it and believe in it partially. I assume the definition would be most moral to kill all life instantly and painlessly to prevent further suffering if that was possible. I am somewhat iffy about killing innocent happy lives unconsentally but if its painlessly and instantly and after is non-existence then no actual harm is put onto them and for the lives that want to die, they get their wish granted and no longer have to suffer so to me its a morally good or neutral viewpoint.

I mostly base this off that I think death at its best is the best thing to happen when at its worst its a neutral thing and life at its best is a good thing but at its worst is the pure torture.

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[ijustwishtodie]

I don't know if I would call myself a full pro mortalist but I am definitely not against it. I assume the definition would be most moral to kill all life instantly and painlessly to prevent further suffering if that was possible. I am somewhat iffy about killing innocent happy lives unconsentally but if its painlessly and instantly and after is non-existence then no actual harm is put onto them and for the lives that want to die, they get their wish granted and no longer have to suffer so to me its a morally good or neutral viewpoint.

I mostly base this off that I think death at its best is the best thing to happen when at its worst its a neutral thing and life at its best is a good thing but at its worst is the pure torture.

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589. I see, I suppose that definition could work though the definition that I follow is that, for a sentient being, an earlier death is better than a later death. Also, yeah, I agree that death isn't a harm to the beings who are dead and, if all of sentient life were to die instantly and painlessly right now, no harm has been caused to them. This is where I even lose the antinatalists as they just aren't able to understand this.

Ah, I see, so that's basically just benetar's asymmetry but applied to life vs death rather than life vs not being born? Personally, I thought of the asymmetry argument far before I heard benetar say it but I applied it to life vs death rather than life vs not being born which is why I wanted to die from a very young age. Also, out of curiosity, what caused you to believe in antinatalism and pro mortalism? Personally, whilst I do heavily respect the work that benetar has put in, I think that it's way too academic and I personally don't care about the academic side of philosophy but rather determining what is the truth and what isn't. I support antinatalism because it's logical and realistic to me, not because of its academic weight. I personally don't like when people try to make these issues look like a fully academic issue

 

[Namelesa]

589. I see, I suppose that definition could work though the definition that I follow is that, for a sentient being, an earlier death is better than a later death. Also, yeah, I agree that death isn't a harm to the beings who are dead and, if all of sentient life were to die instantly and painlessly right now, no harm has been caused to them. This is where I even lose the antinatalists as they just aren't able to understand this.

Ah, I see, so that's basically just benetar's asymmetry but applied to life vs death rather than life vs not being born? Personally, I thought of the asymmetry argument far before I heard benetar say it but I applied it to life vs death rather than life vs not being born which is why I wanted to die from a very young age. Also, out of curiosity, what caused you to believe in antinatalism and pro mortalism? Personally, whilst I do heavily respect the work that benetar has put in, I think that it's way too academic and I personally don't care about the academic side of philosophy but rather determining what is the truth and what isn't. I support antinatalism because it's logical and realistic to me, not because of its academic weight. I personally don't like when people try to make these issues look like a fully academic issue

I definitely think for some people an earlier death is preferable but for people who have more positive lives and don't harm other much both the options of continuing to live or to die are equal.

I think I have definitely been anti-natalist for a long time to some degree as I had the opinion it was unfair to create life cus of genetic luck and in a world like this and cus of over-population and especially if the parents are neglectful, abusive or abandon their child and if the parent spread an illness or disability onto the child genetically but when I suffered more I realized it is always immoral.

When I started to believe in pro-mortalism was only a few years ago but it was just me experiencing so much suffering that I wanted to think about more about death, birth and its positives and negatives and come to the the conclusion that its immoral to procreate at all and the asymmetry to life vs death I said before. Before this I was just pro-choice and thought that continuing life can be a more positive thing than death in some cases and in other cases death is more preferable but that is only up to the person who owns that life so they are allowed the choice to continue or end it early. Now I think death can be the best or neutral and life can be good or the worst.

Also sorry I don't understand what you mean by academic side of philosophy. This isn't cus of you, just me not being smart with words and not actually knowing much about philosophy in general.

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588…. Mmmm the old gang<3. How are you Namelase???

 

[Namelesa]

588…. Mmmm the old gang<3. How are you Namelase???

okayish, I was miserable cus of something that happened recently but its been resolved now so I more okay now. How you feeling?

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