Being forced to die a natural death of old age. Is it ever peaceful?

[cait_sith]

The only socially accepted way to die to wait until old age and die in your sleep, this way of dying is often kind of glamourized in the sense that it is considered peaceful and good, as it is the "natural progression" of life to death, but what I wonder is can any death by old age be considered peaceful if all the pain and deseases that accumulate over time to result in said death are added to the dying process? I think it's unfair to only include the part where the old person falls to sleep for the last time, but all the horrible things leading to that moment that can take decades should be added to it too. If you compare this horrible accumulation of decay and deseases over years and years the result becomes more terrifying for me than any ctb method. It's the most cruelest fate to be forced into exsistance to then held captive to see yourself rot in pain and if you are being caught wanting to avoid that you are being held incacerated and forced with pills that hopefully make you forget where you are heading. I find old age to be disturbing.

 

[Aprilfarewell4]

I would have preferred it to killing myself. My dad is over 80 years old and still spry. Not everyone has an agonizing experience aging, he's very fit very happy and I think that's what I would have been like if I had made it.

 

[Mlifos & Sitoa]

I totally agree with you. Even if I could fix my mental issues, I'd still rather to die at 40, or 50 at most. Even now I'm so ugly and honestly I don't wanna see myself getting even more uglier. I can't understand the people who always dreaming about their future. Damn. The only thing I can see is disease, pain and suffering.

 

[cait_sith]

I totally agree with you. Even if I could fix my mental issues, I'd still rather to die at 40, or 50 at most. Even now I'm so ugly and honestly I don't wanna see myself getting even more uglier. I can't understand the people who always dreaming about their future. Damn. The only thing I can see is disease, pain and suffering.

Yeah, getting uglier is a big part, I get nightmares of seeing myself in the mirror all shrivelled up. Nature really taunts us, making the most self-conscious species of the planet the ones that age the ugliest while dogs look the fucking same all their lives.

 

[DeathSleep]

I agree. When I was younger I used to think my Grandpa had a peaceful death. He just kinda feel asleep and died. Then I grew up and realized that he had serious health problems for years leading up to it. It wasn't as painless as I first thought even though people like to remember it that way. Of course it doesn't happen to everyone, as another member stated, some people have very good health for old age and are very lively. I don't think that would be me though. I don't think I'd be that lucky and due to my mental health I don't really take very good care of myself. It's really something I don't want to experience to find out. Old age issues are lower on my list of reasons to CTB but I think it's still there.

 

[CantDoIt]

Damn yeah I'm already ugly AF with premature aging because of my mental problems making me fluctuate in weight like 6 times combined with my shit genetics and idgaf diet now I'm underweight and look like a saggy ancient skeleton with anorexia...other animals look the same their whole lives because they don't have the same pattern of skin and facial fat in their faces which is so damn sensitive to literally anything ...including stress.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I don't think that it sounds peaceful. Dying by old age sounds horrible and is probably worse than dying by most ctb methods

 

[outrider567]

The only socially accepted way to die to wait until old age and die in your sleep, this way of dying is often kind of glamourized in the sense that it is considered peaceful and good, as it is the "natural progression" of life to death, but what I wonder is can any death by old age be considered peaceful if all the pain and deseases that accumulate over time to result in said death are added to the dying process? I think it's unfair to only include the part where the old person falls to sleep for the last time, but all the horrible things leading to that moment that can take decades should be added to it too. If you compare this horrible accumulation of decay and deseases over years and years the result becomes more terrifying for me than any ctb method. It's the most cruelest fate to be forced into exsistance to then held captive to see yourself rot in pain and if you are being caught wanting to avoid that you are being held incacerated and forced with pills that hopefully make you forget where you are heading. I find old age to be disturbing.

There's a lot of debate about whether dying in your sleep(like actor Walter Matthau)is peaceful or not--I would refer you to Quora for the answer

 

[Forever Sleep]

Definitely. I've seen inside nursing homes. It's appalling that people are forced to live like that if they don't want to. It's actually barbaric I think. Like- modern medicine keeps us alive for as long as possible to demonstrate how clever it is but it doesn't seem to give a shit about the quality of life it preserves.

I'm not saying that applies to everyone. Some are in fact lucky enough to enjoy a reasonable quality of life until the end and if they want to live then- great. It shouldn't be forced on everyone though. Especially not those who are suffering and desperately want out.

 

[Illegal Preclear]

Former Nursing Home Medical Aide here! The answer is a resounding NO. Most of the time it is NOT PEACEFUL. Mind you: I worked at a Nursing Home in an upper middle class area, where all but one of the residents had no other disabilities other than old age and the conditions that came with that - Dementia and Alzheimer's. These were people who were not burdened by poverty, who did everything right in life, had families, had careers during their time, and yet - wound up where we all are here on this forum. Suffering every day and begging for death.

Literally - cries of "SOMEBODY KILL ME PLEASE!" could often be heard bellowing down the halls of that Nursing Home. Some residents were in constant physical pain. REALLY bad pain. Most were having daily heart-wrenching Dementia episodes. You'd see an old lady just panicking with tears in her eyes yelling "help me! I'm lost and I can't find my mom! I have school tomorrow! Can you help me find my way home?" I'd watch the adult children of these poor people try and get their parents to remember who they are to no avail and then just break down crying. Just...I don't know how you can watch that day in and day out and come to any other conclusion than the God of this Planet is an Eldritch Demon.

This was my first job, btw. And my second huge redpill on the question of suicide. And again I say - these were people who had no significant disabilities before hand. Imagining having to live that long as a disabled person is unthinkable to me. In a sane world, voluntary Euthanasia for all should be a no-brainer.

Definitely. I've seen inside nursing homes. It's appalling that people are forced to live like that if they don't want to. It's actually barbaric I think. Like- modern medicine keeps us alive for as long as possible to demonstrate how clever it is but it doesn't seem to give a shit about the quality of life it preserves.

I'm not saying that applies to everyone. Some are in fact lucky enough to enjoy a reasonable quality of life until the end and if they want to live then- great. It shouldn't be forced on everyone though. Especially not those who are suffering and desperately want out.

I reiterate that there were certainly folks in the Nursing Home I worked at who did NOT want to, and SCREAMED at how badly they wanted to die. Hell truly is other people. We have enough Fentanyl on this Planet to give every human on it a peaceful death - the only barrier to it is other people. The cruelty is the point. Voluntary Euthanasia frees up the burden on the medical system for those who do want to remain on this planet. It benefits the entire circle of life. But we don't have a real medical system, we have a Torture Cult.

 

[Timothy7dff]

Old age is watching your body deteriorate and watching loved ones and friends die. The only way it's bearable is if you have children/grandchildren and don't have to worry about money.

I don't know anyone who didn't suffer greatly in old age. Cancer, Parkinson's, pick your poison. They all suck.

 

[RosebyAnyName]

The part leading up to death is usually pretty awful, especially if you have pre-existing conditions or injuries that give you chronic pain. Ignoring faster deaths such as those from a heart attack or stroke: in the few hours / minutes when your body is actually ready to go, apparently it's fairly peaceful. Your senses start to cut out, which means any pain you might be experiencing could be reduced or you might even stop feeling it. It probably feels like falling asleep. There's also apparently weird things your brain starts to do, as people have mentioned from near death experiences (seeing lights, feeling like you're floating, feeling like you're going to other realities, etc.)

The build up usually isn't worth it though (unless you enjoy living), or if you're fortunate to not end up with chronic health problems before then. Of all the "allowing people to die" things out there, usually places will still let you have a Do Not Resuscitate order. I guess even the most anti-suicide people weren't able to morally justify forcing people to live if they're already that old.

 

[eden101]

my dad chose to not live to that age. and i chose similar. even if i keep on living. i'm cutting it when it's no longer worth it.

 

[suffering_mo]

Yes, it sometimes is. Sometimes a heart attack or cancer that kills you pretty quickly. I would have much preferred that, or even cancer with a year or two of suffering, over what I am experiencing. I pray for a natural death soon nonstop, so this torment can finally end. Most natural aging and illness is bearable.... what I am dealing with is not.

Former Nursing Home Medical Aide here! The answer is a resounding NO. Most of the time it is NOT PEACEFUL. Mind you: I worked at a Nursing Home in an upper middle class area, where all but one of the residents had no other disabilities other than old age and the conditions that came with that - Dementia and Alzheimer's. These were people who were not burdened by poverty, who did everything right in life, had families, had careers during their time, and yet - wound up where we all are here on this forum. Suffering every day and begging for death.

Literally - cries of "SOMEBODY KILL ME PLEASE!" could often be heard bellowing down the halls of that Nursing Home. Some residents were in constant physical pain. REALLY bad pain. Most were having daily heart-wrenching Dementia episodes. You'd see an old lady just panicking with tears in her eyes yelling "help me! I'm lost and I can't find my mom! I have school tomorrow! Can you help me find my way home?" I'd watch the adult children of these poor people try and get their parents to remember who they are to no avail and then just break down crying. Just...I don't know how you can watch that day in and day out and come to any other conclusion than the God of this Planet is an Eldritch Demon.

This was my first job, btw. And my second huge redpill on the question of suicide. And again I say - these were people who had no significant disabilities before hand. Imagining having to live that long as a disabled person is unthinkable to me. In a sane world, voluntary Euthanasia for all should be a no-brainer.


I reiterate that there were certainly folks in the Nursing Home I worked at who did NOT want to, and SCREAMED at how badly they wanted to die. Hell truly is other people. We have enough Fentanyl on this Planet to give every human on it a peaceful death - the only barrier to it is other people. The cruelty is the point. Voluntary Euthanasia frees up the burden on the medical system for those who do want to remain on this planet. It benefits the entire circle of life. But we don't have a real medical system, we have a Torture Cult.

I think that your opinion might be somewhat biased, though I believe your account is true. None of my relatives, nor my husband's relatives who have died, have suffered like that. I haven't known any who have, TBH, though I do not doubt your experience. My husband's grandfather was in the nursing home with dementia and quite happy. I would just say that it's not the "normal" but it makes me sad. We, as a society , keep ourselves alive by performing procedures, taking medicine, infusions, supplements , etc, etc that keep us people living longer... we've been conditioned for this. Unfortunately, I have fallen into that trap and it's literally driven me to suicide now because it backfired....so badly. Now I am the one begging for death, asking for it...at only 46 years old.

 

[doneforlife]

Former Nursing Home Medical Aide here! The answer is a resounding NO. Most of the time it is NOT PEACEFUL. Mind you: I worked at a Nursing Home in an upper middle class area, where all but one of the residents had no other disabilities other than old age and the conditions that came with that - Dementia and Alzheimer's. These were people who were not burdened by poverty, who did everything right in life, had families, had careers during their time, and yet - wound up where we all are here on this forum. Suffering every day and begging for death.

Literally - cries of "SOMEBODY KILL ME PLEASE!" could often be heard bellowing down the halls of that Nursing Home. Some residents were in constant physical pain. REALLY bad pain. Most were having daily heart-wrenching Dementia episodes. You'd see an old lady just panicking with tears in her eyes yelling "help me! I'm lost and I can't find my mom! I have school tomorrow! Can you help me find my way home?" I'd watch the adult children of these poor people try and get their parents to remember who they are to no avail and then just break down crying. Just...I don't know how you can watch that day in and day out and come to any other conclusion than the God of this Planet is an Eldritch Demon.

This was my first job, btw. And my second huge redpill on the question of suicide. And again I say - these were people who had no significant disabilities before hand. Imagining having to live that long as a disabled person is unthinkable to me. In a sane world, voluntary Euthanasia for all should be a no-brainer.


I reiterate that there were certainly folks in the Nursing Home I worked at who did NOT want to, and SCREAMED at how badly they wanted to die. Hell truly is other people. We have enough Fentanyl on this Planet to give every human on it a peaceful death - the only barrier to it is other people. The cruelty is the point. Voluntary Euthanasia frees up the burden on the medical system for those who do want to remain on this planet. It benefits the entire circle of life. But we don't have a real medical system, we have a Torture Cult.

Why do you think society has this torture cult ? What can be done to change it ?

 

[dust-in-the-wind]

I know a senior who had MS that was worsening. Her husband had already passed and she didn't want to burden her children or go in a nursing home. This is in the US so she didn't qualify for assisted suicide. In Canada she would have. So she did her research and found the VSED loophole and was able to pass peacefully surrounded by her family.
Once you stop eating and drinking you qualify for hospice in the US because you have less than six months to live. Usually you pass in 2-3 weeks and are kept comfortable and given morphine as needed. More of the suffering elderly that want to die need to know about the VSED loophole. No one can legally be forced to eat or drink.

 

[J&L383]

I would have preferred it to killing myself. My dad is over 80 years old and still spry. Not everyone has an agonizing experience aging, he's very fit very happy and I think that's what I would have been like if I had made it.

Agree. It can be relatively peaceful. But usually the last year or two are not super fun. But many old people on their last days or weeks seem still quite happy, if they're not in a lot of pain or discomfort. The problem is there's no guarantee on what lies ahead.

 

[dust-in-the-wind]

I don't think that it sounds peaceful. Dying by old age sounds horrible and is probably worse than dying by most ctb methods

It is horrible. I've witnessed it.

 

[uglyugly]

My dad is in his mid 80s and has dementia. Of course I don't want him dead, but I am telling you that it is horrible when the mind goes. His personality has changed, he used to be a really wonderful guy. Now he is forgetful, angry, bitter, and at times abusive. That is NOT the person I knew. Dementia has changed him.

My biological grandmother had dementia and spent the last 7 years of her life all fucked up in the head and was in bed most nearly all the time. I most definitely want to off myself before that happens to me. I'd much rather take my own life than wind up a mental vegetable with someone else wiping my butt. No thanks.

As for getting uglier as we age... well, I was damn nasty to look at when I was younger and am twice as ugly now, hence my screen name.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

It depends on sociey what is accepted. In some civilisations it was expected that old people commit suicide and sometimes they were even forced a little. In our socity we have the other extreme, old poeple are not allowed to die, because the equipment-based medicine makes a lot of money.

 

[cait_sith]

It depends on sociey what is accepted. In some civilisations it was expected that old people commit suicide and sometimes they were even forced a little. In our socity we have the other extreme, old poeple are not allowed to die, because the equipment-based medicine makes a lot of money.

this makes me remember that scene from midsommar where the old couple jumps from the cliff surrounded by the rest of village as a ritual once they reach 70 or something, which is based on myth that says that pagan used to do such suicides. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ättestupa This scene is made to be like the turning point for the movie where the dumb americans finally notice that they have entered a crazy cult but it had a different effect on me, I acutually thought that this was a somewhat merciful and great way to handle old age tbh, sure a more peaceful method would be better and it would of course be good if this ritual was voluntary, but as a general idea i didn't feel as badly about it as I was supposed to as a viewer. I feel like they made the scene especially violent not only for the mere shock effect but also to get the audience repulsed by very idea of societies accepting elder suicides.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Former Nursing Home Medical Aide here! The answer is a resounding NO. Most of the time it is NOT PEACEFUL. Mind you: I worked at a Nursing Home in an upper middle class area, where all but one of the residents had no other disabilities other than old age and the conditions that came with that - Dementia and Alzheimer's. These were people who were not burdened by poverty, who did everything right in life, had families, had careers during their time, and yet - wound up where we all are here on this forum. Suffering every day and begging for death.

Literally - cries of "SOMEBODY KILL ME PLEASE!" could often be heard bellowing down the halls of that Nursing Home. Some residents were in constant physical pain. REALLY bad pain. Most were having daily heart-wrenching Dementia episodes. You'd see an old lady just panicking with tears in her eyes yelling "help me! I'm lost and I can't find my mom! I have school tomorrow! Can you help me find my way home?" I'd watch the adult children of these poor people try and get their parents to remember who they are to no avail and then just break down crying. Just...I don't know how you can watch that day in and day out and come to any other conclusion than the God of this Planet is an Eldritch Demon.

This was my first job, btw. And my second huge redpill on the question of suicide. And again I say - these were people who had no significant disabilities before hand. Imagining having to live that long as a disabled person is unthinkable to me. In a sane world, voluntary Euthanasia for all should be a no-brainer.


I reiterate that there were certainly folks in the Nursing Home I worked at who did NOT want to, and SCREAMED at how badly they wanted to die. Hell truly is other people. We have enough Fentanyl on this Planet to give every human on it a peaceful death - the only barrier to it is other people. The cruelty is the point. Voluntary Euthanasia frees up the burden on the medical system for those who do want to remain on this planet. It benefits the entire circle of life. But we don't have a real medical system, we have a Torture Cult.

I worked in a nursing home too. All that u say is true.They purposefully hide the horrors of old age and nursing homes . Most people will end up very old going through their 80's . Most of those suffering tremendously in nursing homes.

Most people have no idea this is going to happen to them . They have everyone believing in "the golden years" it's really the nightmare years . They have people thinking doing meaningless so called pleasurable addictions like watching TV youtube, eating food , looking at nature, are worth years of extreme torture as in 7 years of dementia . That crap is not worth anything much less torture and it's bait traps so that u fall for the trap of extreme pain or old age and remain a slave prisoner in this hell

Your post mine should be broadcast to everyone . I've posted similar things. I think even those here don't believe us.

Old age and any extreme pain or extreme suffering must be avoided at all costs . Nothing is worth that . Also life is just a meaningless garbage addiction, composed of meaningless garbage sub addictions. Nothing matters except avoiding extreme pain and extreme suffering

Here a doctor who worked at a nursing home confirms it

Who By Very Slow Decay

[Trigger warning: Death, pain, suffering, sadness] I. Some people, having completed the traditional forms of empty speculation – “What do you want to be when you grow up?”, &#8220…

slatestarcodex.com

 

[Illegal Preclear]

Why do you think society has this torture cult ? What can be done to change it ?

I actually wrote a post on my profile going into this that might interest you. I'm debating making a thread about it because it mentions religion/Jesus Christ a lot and I don't know how people on here would feel about weird religious views, or if some might be offended. I mean granted, many would just think I'm Schizoposting, and as someone literally CTBing due to Schizoaffective Disorder, I am, by default, ALWAYS Schizoposting - but, all in all I am convinced the reason society is a torture cult is because there is a metaphysical, spiritual side to this.

As for what we can do to CHANGE it - I've always said we just need to have an "underground railroad" to suicide. Have you ever heard of "Women On Waves?" They're a Pro-Choice organization that offers abortions for women in states and nations where abortion has been criminalized by literally having doctors on boats in International Waters.

All we need to do is have that, but for Euthanasia. I feel like in terms of International Law this would absolutely work, considering you can get away with MUCH MORE F*CKED UP THINGS on open water.

Ever heard of Russian Pirate Hunting Cruises? You can literally go to Russia, pay $6000 to go on a luxury Yacht that sails around Djibouti, Somalia, and Kenya and just shoot black people. I mean they may or may not be pirates, but come on: This is literally just a service for extremely depraved people to just get away with killing black people with impunity. Very sick stuff, BUT, due to international waters this is a thing you can do.

It is 100% feasible to make Euthanasia Boats a thing - you just need to have some grassroots organizing and get through the thick Pro-Life brainwashing of enough people.

 

[badtothebone]

The only socially accepted way to die to wait until old age and die in your sleep, this way of dying is often kind of glamourized in the sense that it is considered peaceful and good, as it is the "natural progression" of life to death, but what I wonder is can any death by old age be considered peaceful if all the pain and deseases that accumulate over time to result in said death are added to the dying process? I think it's unfair to only include the part where the old person falls to sleep for the last time, but all the horrible things leading to that moment that can take decades should be added to it too. If you compare this horrible accumulation of decay and deseases over years and years the result becomes more terrifying for me than any ctb method. It's the most cruelest fate to be forced into exsistance to then held captive to see yourself rot in pain and if you are being caught wanting to avoid that you are being held incacerated and forced with pills that hopefully make you forget where you are heading. I find old age to be disturbing.

I don't think it's always peaceful! Some people suffer a lot of pain while dying naturally that's why they have hospice to provide pain meds and concentrate only on the comfort care with that some people still not comfortable. Who wants to be in bed surrounded by random aids waiting for them to die!? Interesting post

 

[Ligottian]

It sure as hell wasn't for my parents and all four of my grandparents.

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

Only 12.5% percent chance. And that doesn't even factor in the decades of suffering leading up to such a day. The other 87.5% will be awake and conscious for their grueing deaths.

Dying in Your Sleep: More Common Than You Think

1 in 4 people die of heart disease (American Heart Association) and 1 in 8 will die in their sleep (answers.com).

www.linkedin.com

 

[divinemistress36]

Only 12.5% percent chance. And that doesn't even factor in the decades of suffering leading up to such a day. The other 87.5% will be awake and conscious for their grueing deaths.

Dying in Your Sleep: More Common Than You Think

1 in 4 people die of heart disease (American Heart Association) and 1 in 8 will die in their sleep (answers.com).

www.linkedin.com

I knew of a guy one of the rare lucky ones who died of a heartattack in his sleep at 37 years old

 

[glossble]

What about the thousands of old people in nursing homes who are slowly dying? The dying process can take weeks and months, that doesn't sound peaceful to me. People romanticize death of old age way too much

How to Recognize That a Loved One Is Dying

Learn to navigate the three end-of-life stages, with some tips on coping with loss and how to recognize the signs that a loved one is dying.

www.verywellhealth.com

 

[Ligottian]

My dear mother asked my aunt, while crying, "Why am I having to go through this?." She was in her 80's and had been suffering for years.

 

[Illegal Preclear]

I knew of a guy one of the rare lucky ones who died of a heartattack in his sleep at 37 years old

My favorite indie wrestler recently just died this way. He was a youtuber too with the YMS (YourMovieSucks) channel. Scott Henson, he was only 40. I would never get that lucky, not with my very unfortunately bred genes. From what I've read, it's fairly peaceful.

My dear mother asked my aunt, while crying, "Why am I having to go through this?." She was in her 80's and had been suffering for years.

I'm very sorry you had to experience that. That sentence hurt me...

What about the thousands of old people in nursing homes who are slowly dying? The dying process can take weeks and months, that doesn't sound peaceful to me. People romanticize death of old age way too much

Or years. The nursing home I worked at wasn't a hospice - the folks who were in constant pain, practically vegetables, or were literally screaming "SOMEBODY KILL ME PLEASE" weren't actively dying. Some of them had been suffering for years, and they could have been looking at suffering for another 5 or 10 years. Doctors who do not honor the requests of a peaceful death to those who would be suffering for years before inevitable death, in my eyes, puts them in league with Dr. Mengele or any one of the Unit 731 labcoats.

The only time dying isn't ugly is when it's done on your own terms. And even then it will be ugly to outsiders lol. You'll always have a gross death rattle. You'll always shit and piss yourself. You'll always look like Hell decomposing. No such thing as a pretty corpse! But such is the way of organic matter on this planet. Suicide is unique, in that it restores the Sovereignty of your Soul.

Honest to God, if I worked at that nursing home knowing then what I know now, I would have smuggled those poor people Fentanyl.