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Samsal112

Samsal112

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Dec 20, 2021
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My sister and I were talking about suicide awareness the other day. Everyone says that they just wished they would have known someone was struggling and they could have talked to them or comforted them, or they didn't see the signs. My sister commented how that is not true and people aren't as helpful as they like to believe they would be. I know for me, I have tried on countless occasions to reach out to friends and family. When I told my mom that I can't live with this illness and what's it's done, she told me to grow up and deal with it like any other adult. When I mentioned to my mom that my brother and sister do not even care how ill I am, she said "Well, people have to get on with her lives." I have spoken to a small portion of friends, one told me not to tell him because then he would feel responsible to do something and the other two told me, "I wish you wouldn't but whatever." My little brother who was in the Army passed, and we believe it was suicide but the Army won't release cause of death. My mom beats herself up and is like, "I could have done more." Helllooooo, here's your daughter who you don't even want to have a conversation with about the topic.
 
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BeansOfRequirement

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"I wish you wouldn't but whatever."
Anime character IRL.

It's really true what they say, people don't change until it's too late.
 
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Suicide is very stigmatised and many people would rather avoid talking about it. Some people are very selfish and they only care about what directly affects them. I believe that often, people do not respect the individuals right to die and they expect people to suffer for decades against their wishes. I see this as being cruel. I feel like if euthanasia was legal, then people would have more open conversations about suicide and there would be more acceptance towards it.
 
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When I mentioned to my mom that my brother and sister do not even care how ill I am, she said "Well, people have to get on with her lives."

What your mother said to you sounds callous, but it's probably the truth for everyone who's not suicidal - they just want to put the blinders on and continue living their lives. In other words, our lives don't matter as long as their lives aren't interfered with by our problems.
 
Feeding Pigeons

Feeding Pigeons

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Aug 5, 2021
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It has nothing to do with awareness. People don't give a shit. You can look someone in the eyes for half a second and know whether or not they're struggling, its not rocket science or an enigma, its there to read. And I don't wanna hear this shit of "Well they do care, its just that they have lives and things to take care of". Its just an excuse. If someone doesn't get in there and legitimately try, they don't care. Period. You don't get to eat your cake and have it too.

More important than that, I think someone has to acknowledge that even when people do try to help it can be worthless. People in my life know where I'm at, and they try to be comforting and helpful and it doesn't amount to anything. I know this isn't true for everyone, I'm not trying to speak on anyone else's behalf as far as that goes.
 
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WhiteRabbit

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I'm late, i'm late. For a very important date.
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It would be nice if they could acknowledge that you're sick and struggling. Invisible illnesses are so tough that way.
 
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Samsal112

Samsal112

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It has nothing to do with awareness. People don't give a shit. You can look someone in the eyes for half a second and know whether or not they're struggling, its not rocket science or an enigma, its there to read. And I don't wanna hear this shit of "Well they do care, its just that they have lives and things to take care of". Its just an excuse. If someone doesn't get in there and legitimately try, they don't care. Period. You don't get to eat your cake and have it too.

More important than that, I think someone has to acknowledge that even when people do try to help it can be worthless. People in my life know where I'm at, and they try to be comforting and helpful and it doesn't amount to anything. I know this isn't true for everyone, I'm not trying to speak on anyone else's behalf as far as that goes.
I agree with everything you said. I didn't mean that we should bring awareness to suicide, I was commenting on how there is now this fad of "suicide awareness." I wasn't sure what to title the post, but basically I am saying that for all of this awareness, people really do not care if someone hurts themselves because as you pointed out, people have their own lives.
 
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Feeding Pigeons

Feeding Pigeons

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I agree with everything you said. I didn't mean that we should bring awareness to suicide, I was commenting on how there is now this fad of "suicide awareness." I wasn't sure what to title the post, but basically I am saying that for all of this awareness, people really do not care if someone hurts themselves because as you pointed out, people have their own lives.
No I understand, and thats what gets me mad. Exactly what you're saying, they wanna bring awareness to suicide like being aware of something fucking changes it.

I'm sorry, it gets me furious.
 
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Samsal112

Samsal112

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Dec 20, 2021
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It would be nice if they could acknowledge that you're sick and struggling. Invisible illnesses are so tough that way.
Yeah, that has been the hardest thing to cope with. To everyone, I should be fine, but I am not. My brother loves going on about how bad he has it with a bad back and yet he's going strong. I know personally that he couldn't withstand what I have been through.
 
Maaizr

Maaizr

LESS TALKING MORE KILLING
Aug 2, 2021
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It has nothing to do with awareness. People don't give a shit. You can look someone in the eyes for half a second and know whether or not they're struggling, its not rocket science or an enigma, its there to read. And I don't wanna hear this shit of "Well they do care, its just that they have lives and things to take care of". Its just an excuse. If someone doesn't get in there and legitimately try, they don't care. Period. You don't get to eat your cake and have it too.

More important than that, I think someone has to acknowledge that even when people do try to help it can be worthless. People in my life know where I'm at, and they try to be comforting and helpful and it doesn't amount to anything. I know this isn't true for everyone, I'm not trying to speak on anyone else's behalf as far as that goes.
the facts today, bro 😤💥

"I wish you wouldn't but whatever."
i'd find this person and actually fucking kill them for saying this to me, holy shit
 
Samsal112

Samsal112

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Dec 20, 2021
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the facts today, bro 😤💥


i'd find this person and actually fucking kill them for saying this to me, holy shit
Oh yeah, I no longer talk to them. One of them has blocked me and now I am dealing with the stress and pain of that. Takes me awhile to realize people are toxic or I am not wanted lol
 
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LastFlowers

LastFlowers

the haru that can read
Apr 27, 2019
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Well, your sister ain't wrong about that, even those who did know and did see the signs usually like to pretend they didn't, or they were too frustrated by the suicidal person that they didn't want to bother with them..and then feel guilty when the time comes.
A worse thing to say is "I wish they came to me, I wish they knew how much they were loved. I know that if they knew, they would not have done this."
God damn this type of commentary repulses me. Just putting the blame on the dead person and believing that "their love" (and knowledge of that love) would have saved the person or been enough for them to continue on in misery. It's a very self-centered way of thinking (and they call us the selfish ones..).
Once in a blue moon, an individual left behind may have good reason in saying or thinking something along these lines-pondering in hindsight, but that's usually when the deceased person "had it all" and always pushed people away from the beginning, even safe & understanding people (maybe even being a dick about it), all the way up until the end, or for those who blindside everybody by killing themselves on impulse, never even allowing an opportunity to intervene or empathize.
(Occasionally I do feel sorry for those who truly had no idea, and only wanted so much as a chance to say goodbye, nothing more.)

Ultimately, people are busy with their own lives and will not stop to help you with yours, until it affects them, which death and a funeral usually does, ironically more so than suffering loudly in close proximity.
They will pause for your death, but not for you.
And then they will step forward once again.

If anyone in my family (or otherwise) tried to pull that shit, the whole "if I had known" shtick, they would be some incredibly disingenuous folk.
They only say this when you're already dead, when it's already too late. When you won't be there to hold them to it.

None of my own family members even ask about me or bother to respect or acknowledge my pain and suffering-and everything that was starved of me or lost (except my mother, but only on occasion, and only to a certain minuscule degree) but man oh man do I ever ask and hear about their shit..constantly.
Even though not a single one would last a day in my shoes.

I don't go around announcing my issues to most of them because I already know they don't give a rat's ass, as most of my shit should be obvious, including the fact that I am isolated and gave up on the charade of a rat race that they still compete in, because I didn't make the cut at the starting line.
They don't care, it's as if I don't exist, they chalk me up as defective and a lost cause and go about their lives.
(Being dead won't make much of a difference.) I'm an embarrassment to them.
...
In their eyes, they're somehow more of a victim of life than I am, simply because they only view the world from their own perspective and are so insanely myopic and egotistical that they cannot see (or purposely turn away from) the much more severe torture endured by a person so close to them (going as far as to contribute to said torture..right in front of my face).

If I ever have to interact with anybody, I feel like the fakest motherfucker that ever walked the earth, taping a forced smile over my grimace, presenting myself as a spaced out doormat, dying inside every second I am expected to act like I'm not.
If they saw the real me, the damage..after all this time..they would probably blow a gasket and run for the hills, using my pain and hatred as a way to further demonize me and victimize themselves.
I've dipped my toes into that dark water before..never again.
I really try to keep to myself-all that ails me, for this reason and many others.

Meanwhile those who have much superior quality lives/privileges/opportunities are complaining all. the. damn. time.
They just never shut up, and social media has made it so much easier for them to whine about absolute bullshit.
Some of the most '#blessed' people act like the biggest martyrs, they have more energy than the rest of us to keep it going, and a larger audience to enable them.
It's so ironic, a lot of the people suffering the most are the ones we never hear from, or about. It's a sad affair. A sick joke.

If I had a terminal illness all my life and a relative of mine suddenly became ill, if I so much as spoke of my own experience to relate to them..they would act like I was "copying" them. (I know because a similar scenario has already occurred, multiple times.)
When I've been here all along, existing in a constantly compounded pile of shit.
That's how out of touch they are, a willful and narcissistic lack of awareness.
And because I have learned from experience that trying to have a conversation about my own woes is met with awkward silences (or worse)..my conditioned and expected lack of openness only perpetuates their ignorance and lack of sympathy.
It's a cycle that I did not start, but must suffer under. It's maddening.

I'm so sorry you have had to experience a similar dilemma, especially when your mother has an event equivalent to premonition, and should realize that the same thing that possibly happened to one of her children, could easily happen to the other.
I think though, that when parents lose one child, especially if that child was favored (was he?) they lose even more sight of the rest, almost as if it doesn't matter if it happens again, because their brains are already broken and conditioned to the impending loss. Losing one can be like you already lost them all, at least that is what I have noticed when researching the aftermath of several suicides.
Still unfair to you, however.
 
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Samsal112

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Well, your sister ain't wrong about that, even those who did know and did see the signs usually like to pretend they didn't, or they were too frustrated by the suicidal person that they didn't want to bother with them..and then feel guilty when the time comes.
A worse thing to say is "I wish they came to me, I wish they knew how much they were loved. I know that if they knew, they would not have done this."
God damn this type of commentary repulses me. Just putting the blame on the dead person and believing that "their love" (and knowledge of that love) would have saved the person or been enough for them to continue on in misery. It's a very self-centered way of thinking (and they call us the selfish ones..).
Once in a blue moon, an individual left behind may have good reason in saying or thinking something along these lines-pondering in hindsight, but that's usually when the deceased person "had it all" and always pushed people away from the beginning, even safe & understanding people (maybe even being a dick about it), all the way up until the end, or for those who blindside everybody by killing themselves on impulse, never even allowing an opportunity to intervene or empathize.
(Occasionally I do feel sorry for those who truly had no idea, and only wanted so much as a chance to say goodbye, nothing more.)

Ultimately, people are busy with their own lives and will not stop to help you with yours, until it affects them, which death and a funeral usually does, ironically more so than suffering loudly in close proximity.
They will pause for your death, but not for you.
And then they will step forward once again.

If anyone in my family (or otherwise) tried to pull that shit, the whole "if I had known" shtick, they would be some incredibly disingenuous folk.
They only say this when you're already dead, when it's already too late. When you won't be there to hold them to it.

None of my own family members even ask about me or bother to respect or acknowledge my pain and suffering-and everything that was starved of me or lost (except my mother, but only on occasion, and only to a certain minuscule degree) but man oh man do I ever ask and hear about their shit..constantly.
Even though not a single one would last a day in my shoes.

I don't go around announcing my issues to most of them because I already know they don't give a rat's ass, as most of my shit should be obvious, including the fact that I am isolated and gave up on the charade of a rat race that they still compete in, because I didn't make the cut at the starting line.
They don't care, it's as if I don't exist, they chalk me up as defective and a lost cause and go about their lives.
(Being dead won't make much of a difference.) I'm an embarrassment to them.
...
In their eyes, they're somehow more of a victim of life than I am, simply because they only view the world from their own perspective and are so insanely myopic and egotistical that they cannot see (or purposely turn away from) the much more severe torture endured by a person so close to them (going as far as to contribute to said torture..right in front of my face).

If I ever have to interact with anybody, I feel like the fakest motherfucker that ever walked the earth, taping a forced smile over my grimace, presenting myself as a spaced out doormat, dying inside every second I am expected to act like I'm not.
If they saw the real me, the damage..after all this time..they would probably blow a gasket and run for the hills, using my pain and hatred as a way to further demonize me and victimize themselves.
I've dipped my toes into that dark water before..never again.
I really try to keep to myself-all that ails me, for this reason and many others.

Meanwhile those who have much superior quality lives/privileges/opportunities are complaining all. the. damn. time.
They just never shut up, and social media has made it so much easier for them to whine about absolute bullshit.
Some of the most '#blessed' people act like the biggest martyrs, they have more energy than the rest of us to keep it going, and a larger audience to enable them.
It's so ironic, a lot of the people suffering the most are the ones we never hear from, or about. It's a sad affair. A sick joke.

If I had a terminal illness all my life and a relative of mine suddenly became ill, if I so much as spoke of my own experience to relate to them..they would act like I was "copying" them. (I know because a similar scenario has already occurred, multiple times.)
When I've been here all along, existing in a constantly compounded pile of shit.
That's how out of touch they are, a willful and narcissistic lack of awareness.
And because I have learned from experience that trying to have a conversation about my own woes is met with awkward silences (or worse)..my conditioned and expected lack of openness only perpetuates their ignorance and lack of sympathy.
It's a cycle that I did not start, but must suffer under. It's maddening.

I'm so sorry you have had to experience a similar dilemma, especially when your mother has an event equivalent to premonition, and should realize that the same thing that possibly happened to one of her children, could easily happen to the other.
I think though, that when parents lose one child, especially if that child was favored (was he?) they lose even more sight of the rest, almost as if it doesn't matter if it happens again, because their brains are already broken and conditioned to the impending loss. Losing one can be like you already lost them all, at least that is what I have noticed when researching the aftermath of several suicides.
Still unfair to you, however.
If you don't mind me saying, that was beautifully written. I can relate to your analogy of the rat race. My little brother is her favorite and I even asked her once if she wished it was me who passed and not him.
 
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LastFlowers

the haru that can read
Apr 27, 2019
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It has nothing to do with awareness. People don't give a shit. You can look someone in the eyes for half a second and know whether or not they're struggling, its not rocket science or an enigma, its there to read. And I don't wanna hear this shit of "Well they do care, its just that they have lives and things to take care of". Its just an excuse. If someone doesn't get in there and legitimately try, they don't care. Period. You don't get to eat your cake and have it too.

More important than that, I think someone has to acknowledge that even when people do try to help it can be worthless. People in my life know where I'm at, and they try to be comforting and helpful and it doesn't amount to anything. I know this isn't true for everyone, I'm not trying to speak on anyone else's behalf as far as that goes.
Pretty much, they fake a lack of awareness when it comes to those close to them and yet call for the rest of the world to act upon something they themselves refused to act on (especially appropriately), which is why I like to refer to it as willful..it's often purposeful, and therefore not genuine or innocent ignorance.
The whole "Suicide Awareness/Suicide Prevention" movement is a bunch of empty virtue signaling, or those left behind by suicide who want to feel like they're doing something productive, when really they're making their loved one's reasons for death exist even more so in vain.

They will look straight through you so long as there is a chance you will give up on getting them to take notice, because they don't want to remove the spotlight from themselves and their own pity party, or their own "positive/good vibes".
I know pretty much everyone around me just does not care.
I see what they do for people they actually care about-who are far and a long ways better off than I ever could be.
It's night and day.
If you don't mind me saying, that was beautifully written. I can relate to your analogy of the rat race. My little brother is her favorite and I even asked her once if she wished it was me who passed and not him.
Thank you, I really appreciate you saying that, but I'm sorry I figured correctly about the favoritism..that is an awful position to be in when you are suffering, no child should play second fiddle to another within their own immediate family.

I don't want to pry much more, but I'm wondering if she actually did answer your question?
Or if she tried to beat around the bush and give a "non-answer".
You don't have to reply if you don't feel comfortable answering that.
 
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