are incels allowed here?

[duck2k3]

I don't care about expressing hate or causing any harm to anyone. I just want to find like-minded individuals, that's all.

 

[Dot]

Incls r allowd on th/ ste

= misogynsm & rd-pill rhetorc whch = nt allowd

 

[derpyderpins]

Everyone is welcome here so long as you follow the rules and whatnot. Plenty of people here are lonely.

Just know that this place is more reasonable than your incel/neet/blackpill places and the extreme stuff there is a no-go.

But frustration over being single and lonely is of course totally fine and I think you'll find plenty of support.


e*: I want to add that you shouldn't take this to mean you will be "censored" in any way. There's just a way to approach a topic without generalizing and insulting full groups of people, which self described "incels" unfortunately tend to do out of frustration.

 

[HappiestAngel]

Most people are probably by literal definition incels here but not in the way you see on those forums. People can be celibate for many reasons and I think the reasons here are more varied.
I am celibate because of many reasons including depression.
I think people here focus mostly on inward thinking rather than blaming others like a lot of people on incel forums do. I think it's healthier to think inward because that way you can improve yourself.

 

[duck2k3]

Everyone is welcome here so long as you follow the rules and whatnot. Plenty of people here are lonely.

Just know that this place is more reasonable than your incel/neet/blackpill places and the extreme stuff there is a no-go.

But frustration over being single and lonely is of course totally fine and I think you'll find plenty of support.


e*: I want to add that you shouldn't take this to mean you will be "censored" in any way. There's just a way to approach a topic without generalizing and insulting full groups of people, which self described "incels" unfortunately tend to do out of frustration.

I just don't want to feel like I'm constantly walking on eggshells. I literally can't find a single space where I can talk about blackpill/incel stuff without getting censored other than the incel forums that are filled with degen porn and shitposts. There are many, many non extreme incels out there but there's just no space for us to discuss things so we end up on those forums.

 

[duck2k3]

misogynsm

Yeah this is where it gets tricky. If I mention statistics or any data that may paint women in a bad light then I'd be considered a misogynist, It's alright though I figured I wouldn't be able to speak about those things here. If I mentioned how men suffer more and show the male vs female suicide rate then I'd be banned in an instant lol.

 

[Trismegistus_13]

Yeah this is where it gets tricky. If I mention statistics or any data that may paint women in a bad light then I'd be considered a misogynist, It's alright though I figured I wouldn't be able to speak about those things here. If I mentioned how men suffer more and show the male vs female suicide rate then I'd be banned in an instant lol

I don't typically see that type of rhetoric on this site. I'm not sure if that's because the mods delete it or if people who talk about that stuff don't use this site (probably a combination of both), but I would strongly encourage you to lurk for a few days and read the types of threads posted to see the conversations that occur here.

I think this forum does a very good job of showing us that everybody can suffer. In the recovery forum, I'd like to think we don't see suffering as a competition of whether x or y group suffers more, but instead, we validate the suffering you personally go through and provide encouragement and advice on how to improve.

 

[derpyderpins]

I just don't want to feel like I'm constantly walking on eggshells. I literally can't find a single space where I can talk about blackpill/incel stuff without getting censored other than the incel forums that are filled with degen porn and shitposts. There are many, many non extreme incels out there but there's just no space for us to discuss things so we end up on those forums.

Yeah this is where it gets tricky. If I mention statistics or any data that may paint women in a bad light then I'd be considered a misogynist, It's alright though I figured I wouldn't be able to speak about those things here. If I mentioned how men suffer more and show the male vs female suicide rate then I'd be banned in an instant lol.

I think you bring up a good point, that people go to those places because they seem like the only option available. I encourage you to reconsider, because those places and the regulars who occupy them do nothing but drag you down.

I've said on here many times that there are modern issues, particularly with dating, that are unique to men and/or affect men more harshly/directly. I haven't gotten so much as a warning.

By all means, please open the dialogue about your statistics. It is an important issue and you should be able to talk about your concerns.

The line comes from the conclusions drawn, that aren't logically sound anyway.

Example: "men have these issues because of women." That's silly, but the incel groups come to that conclusion. Being born without a Y doesn't make you responsible for men's suicides. Women have their own issues to deal with in modern dating that make it hard for them. There's nothing productive about trying to say who has it worse. The productivity of your statistics is isolating that there are issues specific to men.

Related example: a lot of incel types will argue that women can't be lonely because it's soooo easy for them to find a partner. That's also silly and not supported by the statistics. Even if a larger portion of women are able to find a partner it doesn't mean all women can.

Something those places miss out on is that women are great at being supportive and have their own perspective they can offer. You'll get a better range of input on your concerns here, and maybe some unique insight from the female side of things. Just don't generalize or blame groups based on immutable characteristics. If you need a good reason for that: it's always bad logic.

 

[Dot]

Yeah this is where it gets tricky. If I mention statistics or any data that may paint women in a bad light then I'd be considered a misogynist, It's alright though I figured I wouldn't be able to speak about those things here. If I mentioned how men suffer more and show the male vs female suicide rate then I'd be banned in an instant lol.

Sme1 mght nd 2 transl8 commnt bcse = longr s/ wll nt b pleasnt readng

Yh thnk smethng tht u wll nd 2 kp in mnd = tht u r in cmmunty of bth suicdl mn & suicdl womn

& statstcs r oftn skewd in incl cmmuntis & d/ nt shw th/ fll pictre -- tbf statstcs cn b skewd in n.e sde whch = tryn2 wn an argmnt

e.g mn mght cmplte c.t.b mre thn womn bt womn attmpt mre -- am nt tryn2 claim tht womn suffr mre eithr -- jst tht thre r 2 sdes of statistcs

incls cmplain abt nt havng accss t/ sx bt a hge proportn of womn hve bn victms of sexul asslt whch = obvsly v tramtisng -- incls tlk abt nt havng contrl ovr accss t/ sx bt womn tlk abt nt havng contrl ovr b-ing abl 2 rfuse sx & b-ing viol8td as a rsult

S/ th/ argmnts of whch gendr = strgglng mre alwys end up in inslts & argmnts bcse mn & womn bth hve issus whch affct thm dffrntly

1 thng tht evry1 cn agree on = tht sciety scrws evry1 ovr & = wld b gd fr mn & womn 2 hve bettr undrstndng of issus on th/ othr sdes of th/ argmnts

S/ slf wld sy tht if u wn2 tlk abt ur suffrng & hw dffclt thngs r fr u thn u wll genrlly b spportd -- bt if u minmse suffrng of othr grps thn tht wll nt b recivd postvly

 

[duck2k3]

that everybody can suffer

For sure but when it comes these spaces it kind of feels like the quality gets diluted when you see people talk about problems that could've VERY easily been resolved. It's almost like listening to a spoiled kid whining about getting the wrong color ferrari or something, it can get frustrating.

a lot of incel types will argue that women can't be lonely because it's soooo easy for them to find a partner. That's also silly and not supported by the statistics

No, I 100% completely agree with you. It is very hard for women to find a partner because women have set standards for men that can't be easily achieved. Lonely women are digging their own grave in a way. This is just the truth.

Sme1 mght nd 2 transl8 commnt bcse = longr s/ wll nt b pleasnt readng

Sorry I'm not going to respond unless you type normally.

 

[Hvergelmir]

Sme1 mght nd 2 transl8 commnt bcse = longr s/ wll nt b pleasnt readng

Someone might need to translate comment because it's longer so will not be pleasant reading.

I think something that u will need to keep in mind is that you're in community of bth suicidal men & suicidal women

& statistics are often skewed in incel communities and don't show the full picture -- to be fair, statistics can be skewed in any side which are trying to win an argument

e.g men might complete c.t.b more than women but women attempt more -- am not trying to claim that women suffer more either -- just that there are two sides of statistics

incels complain about not having access to sex but a huge proportion of women have been victims of sexual assault which is obviously very traumatizing -- incels talk about not having control over access to sex but women talk about not having control over being able to refuse sex & being violated as a result

So the arguments of which gender is struggling more always end up in insults & arguments because men & women both have issues which affect them differently

One thing that everyone can agree on is that society screws everyone over and it would be good for men & women to have better understanding of issues on the other sides of the arguments

So self would say that if you want to talk about ur suffering and how difficult things are for you then you will generally be supported -- but if you minimize suffering of other groups then that will not be received positively

 

[Dot]

It is very hard for women to find a partner because women have set standards for men that can't be easily achieved. Lonely women are digging their own grave in a way. This is just the truth.

@Hvergelmir apprci8

 

[MyTimeIsUp]

Sme1 mght nd 2 transl8 commnt bcse = longr s/ wll nt b pleasnt readng

Yh thnk smethng tht u wll nd 2 kp in mnd = tht u r in cmmunty of bth suicdl mn & suicdl womn

& statstcs r oftn skewd in incl cmmuntis & d/ nt shw th/ fll pictre -- tbf statstcs cn b skewd in n.e sde whch = tryn2 wn an argmnt

e.g mn mght cmplte c.t.b mre thn womn bt womn attmpt mre -- am nt tryn2 claim tht womn suffr mre eithr -- jst tht thre r 2 sdes of statistcs

incls cmplain abt nt havng accss t/ sx bt a hge proportn of womn hve bn victms of sexul asslt whch = obvsly v tramtisng -- incls tlk abt nt havng contrl ovr accss t/ sx bt womn tlk abt nt havng contrl ovr b-ing abl 2 rfuse sx & b-ing viol8td as a rsult

S/ th/ argmnts of whch gendr = strgglng mre alwys end up in inslts & argmnts bcse mn & womn bth hve issus whch affct thm dffrntly

1 thng tht evry1 cn agree on = tht sciety scrws evry1 ovr & = wld b gd fr mn & womn 2 hve bettr undrstndng of issus on th/ othr sdes of th/ argmnts

S/ slf wld sy tht if u wn2 tlk abt ur suffrng & hw dffclt thngs r fr u thn u wll genrlly b spportd -- bt if u minmse suffrng of othr grps thn tht wll nt b recivd postvly

Completely agree here

No need to translate, our brains don't read the entire word anyway, only part of it (the parts you type).

 

[derpyderpins]

No, I 100% completely agree with you. It is very hard for women to find a partner because women have set standards for men that can't be easily achieved. Lonely women are digging their own grave in a way. This is just the truth.

"Just the truth" is not a statistic. You're falling into the trap here of treating women as a monolith. "Women" have set standards, as if they got together to decide the standards and all have the same standards.

Do incels have literally 0 standards? I can tell you that no they don't, at least not all of them! They "looksmax" and objectify and want women they find attractive. And that is absolutely fine. Of course people want partners they are attracted to.

There is a more reasonable way to approach what you are saying. There is a good argument to be made that women have, on average, an upper hand in the modern dating market. We can talk about why that may be. For now I'll propose that a factor is that men on average have higher labido, meaning that on average they have higher demand for sex, meaning that on average women have more bargaining power when a sexual relationship is at stake.

It is human nature - not anything to do with your gender - that when you have something in higher demand you want more in return for it. Given this and the above, it would make sense for women's standards - again, on average - to have risen.

People - men and women - are also imperfect. It's possible that the wrong things have been emphasized and it has created a messy dating culture.

But none of this is the fault of a single man or woman. You said you agree with me but you really didn't, because you're still downplaying women's loneliness by blaming them for it

 

[Dot]

For now I'll propose that a factor is that men on average have higher labido, meaning that on average they have higher demand for sex, meaning that on average women have more bargaining power when a sexual relationship is at stake.

D/ nt forgt tht womn oftn hve 2 protct thmslves agnst mn wh/ jst wn2 us thm fr sx & validatn - thre r 2 mny mn wh/ wll sy whtevr thy thnk all womn wnts 2 hear in ordr 2 us thm fr sx & gve 0 emotnl cmmitmnt in rturn

& thre r plnty of mn on incl frums sayng tht thy only wnt yng attractve virgns etc - s/ thre cn b unrealstc standrds on eithr sde

Ofc thre = th/ argmnt tht sme mn hve 2 protct thmslves agnst b-ing usd fr ££ bt tht only gves mre evdnce of hw *genrlly* mn & womn cn hve dffrnt issus -- obvsly thre wll stll b issus of mn usng womn fr ££ & womn usng mn fr sx & validatn etc

 

[duck2k3]

ncls cmplain abt nt havng accss t/ sx bt a hge proportn of womn hve bn victms of sexul asslt whch = obvsly v tramtisng

Where is the correlation here???? and "huge proportion of women"? how many? "how dare you complain about being lonely and sexless? don't you know a minority of women get sexually assaulted by a minority of men?"

dude are you hearing yourself?

bt womn tlk abt nt havng contrl ovr b-ing abl 2 rfuse sx & b-ing viol8td as a rsult

why are you comparing sexual assault and sexual access/being loved? incels don't just talk about being sexually starved, it's about being wanted. The vast majority of incels refuse to pay a hooker because it is a service that is completely transactional. More and more men are single and women's bodycounts are increasing.

Another thing: virgin men are mocked by women all the time, in fact the most common insults to men by women is how sexually desirable or active he is. Women are very quick to shame men from the lack of sex they get but then simultaneously complain about slut shaming. The outrage about the double standards of men being able to sleep around without being slut shamed is the dumbest shit ever because women enforce those VERY SAME standards. Women celebrate male promiscuity and shame virgin men whilst crying about slutshaming. Nobody sees anything wrong when men are shamed, that's the problem, it is also a part of the reason why the male suicide rate is so high.

 

[derpyderpins]

D/ nt forgt tht womn oftn hve 2 protct thmslves agnst mn wh/ jst wn2 us thm fr sx & validatn - thre r 2 mny mn wh/ wll sy whtevr thy thnk all womn wnts 2 hear in ordr 2 us thm fr sx & gve 0 emotnl cmmitmnt in rturn

& thre r plnet of mn on incl frums sayng tht thy only wnt yng attractve virgns etc - s/ thre cn b unrealstc standrds on eithr sde

Ofc thre = th/ argmnt tht sme mn hve 2 protct thmslves agnst b-ing usd fr ££ bt tht only gves mre evdnce of hw *genrlly* mn & womn cn hve dffrnt issus -- obvsly thre wll stll b issus of mn usng womn fr ££ & womn usng mn fr sx & validatn etc

Oh for sure, and it's compounding. As men get more desperate, women have to be even more careful. I think that's the main point: there are A LOT of factors at play, yet the conclusion of the incel forums is very simplified and diluted.

 

[duck2k3]

"Just the truth" is not a statistic.

I must of missed where I said or even remotely implied it was.

"Women" have set standards, as if they got together to decide the standards and all have the same standards.

Generally speaking, most women have similar standards. Most women want a rich, tall, high status, handsome man. It's a spectrum, if he is not rich then he has to earn x income, if he is not tall then must be at least x height and so on.

Do incels have literally 0 standards? I can tell you that no they don't

Every single incel I've spoken to wants a woman on their level, there's even a term for it and it's called 'looksmatch'. Incels even joke about how their looksmatch is living a life far better than theirs whilst they rot, it's literally a running joke.

It is human nature - not anything to do with your gender - that when you have something in higher demand you want more in return for it. Given this and the above, it would make sense for women's standards - again, on average - to have risen.

I completely understand this. This is not what the issue is. The issue is women wanting and actively pursuing men far out of their league and then returning to their own level when they have been used by those same men they chased. It leaves a lot of men having to deal with women's past relationship trauma and emotional baggage, it's also pretty embarrassing. Not to mention how having multiple sexual partners leads to higher divorce rates (which most women initiate), several studies have shown this.

But none of this is the fault of a single man or woman. You said you agree with me but you really didn't, because you're still downplaying women's loneliness by blaming them for it

You want to give a neutral view no matter what. You already decided what to say before I've said anything. Don't you know that sometimes there are people to blame? maybe someone is at fault? god forbid a WOMAN might be wrong? is that hard for you to digest or will your bluepill bubble burst?

 

[Dot]

Where is the correlation here???? and "huge proportion of women"? how many? "how dare you complain about being lonely and sexless? don't you know a minority of women get sexually assaulted by a minority of men?"

dude are you hearing yourself?

"1 in 4 women have been raped or sexually assaulted since the age of 16" Sourc

Am nt sayng tht u cnnt cmplain abt b-ing lnely & sx-less -- am sayng tht puttng all blme on womn & sayng tht womn hve easr lves = 2 simplistc bcse mn & womn hve dffrnt strggles fr dffrnt reasns

= 1 thng 2 sy "as a mn slf hve certn issus & slf am strugglng wth thm" -- no1 on SaSu shld dsgree wth u thre & shld b spportd & givn spce 2 tlk abt u r feelng

why are you comparing sexual assault and sexual access/being loved? incels don't just talk about being sexually starved, it's about being wanted. The vast majority of incels refuse to pay a hooker because it is a service that is completely transactional. More and more men are single and women's bodycounts are increasing.

Ok bt u r cmparng 'jst sx' vs 'b-ing wantd' whch = perfctly legitm8 bt thn u r sayng tht 'mn r singl & womn bdy-cnts r increasng' -- bdy cnt = jst abt sx & nt abt rlatnshps

If womn bdy cnt = increasng thn = eithr bcse thy r jst hookng up or = bcse thy r also nt havng sccess in rlatnshps & r havng lts of brk-ups s/ mny of thm r 'nt emotnlly wantd' eithr

Another thing: virgin men are mocked by women all the time, in fact the most common insults to men by women is how sexually desirable or active he is. Women are very quick to shame men from the lack of sex they get but then simultaneously complain about slut shaming. The outrage about the double standards of men being able to sleep around without being slut shamed is the dumbest shit ever because women enforce those VERY SAME standards. Women celebrate male promiscuity and shame virgin men whilst crying about slutshaming. Nobody sees anything wrong when men are shamed, that's the problem, it is also a part of the reason why the male suicide rate is so high.

Yh men r shamd ovr thngs whch thy shld nt b shamd ovr & thy r also shamd fr showng emotns whn thy shld nt b & am nt goin2 dsgree wth u thre - bt remmbr tht *bth* mn & womn perpetu8 tht shamng agnst mn -- mn also mke fun of ech-othr fr nt gttng womn & mke fun of ech-othr fr b-ing emotnl etc

S/ am nt arguin agnst th/ lneliness & strggles whch mn hve -- am sayng tht = nt all abt blamng womn & tht = wht happns in a lt of red-pll rhtoric

 

[duck2k3]

If womn bdy cnt = increasng thn = eithr bcse thy r jst hookng up or = bcse thy r also nt havng sccess in rlatnshps & r havng lts of brk-ups s/ mny of thm r 'nt emotnlly wantd' eithr

women choose most of the time, maybe they should choose better.

and why do you type like that?

 

[Dot]

Not to mention how having multiple sexual partners leads to higher divorce rates (which most women initiate), several studies have shown this.

"When a woman gets news of a life-threatening illness, her husband is six times more likely to leave her than if the tables were turned and the man got the bad news (29% vs 3%)

Sourc 1
Sourc 2

Agn - mn & womn hve dffrnt rlatnshp issus - neithr hs lfe 'easr' thn th/ othr

women choose most of the time, maybe they should choose better.

s/ if mn r treatd bdly = th/ womn fault & if womn r treatd bdly = th/ womn fault

Ok

why do you type like that?

Info on 'about' sectn of profle

 

[rainwillneverstop]

and why do you type like that?

Info in their about section on their profile.

 

[duck2k3]

"When a woman gets news of a life-threatening illness, her husband is six times more likely to leave her than if the tables were turned and the man got the bad news (29% vs 3%)

what about women just leaving men 80% of the time.. period

im done talking with you, im sorry but you're quite slow

 

[rainwillneverstop]

what about women just leaving men 80% of the time.. period

im done talking with you, im sorry but you're quite slow

Sorry what do you mean they are slow? They responded to your claims, but you seem to pick and choose on the other hand.

 

[duck2k3]

Sorry what do you mean they are slow? They responded to your claims, but you seem to pick and choose on the other hand.

I mentioned how women leave 80% of marriages and they responded with "but what about this specific scenario where the woman is sick?" like this is their level of argument? not to mention women CHOSE those same husbands who would leave them? maybe choose better?

pick and choose on the other hand.

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Info in their about section on their profile.

it won't let me view, why does it type like that?

 

[derpyderpins]

I must of missed where I said or even remotely implied it was.

Earlier in the thread you said you'd be banned for posting statistics. I'm pointing out that you've moved far beyond objective numbers and into the realm of absolutist conclusions, which is exactly what I initially warned you against.

Generally speaking, most women have similar standards. Most women want a rich, tall, high status, handsome man. It's a spectrum, if he is not rich then he has to earn x income, if he is not tall then must be at least x height and so on.

Every single incel I've spoken to wants a woman on their level, there's even a term for it and it's called 'looksmatch'. Incels even joke about how their looksmatch is living a life far better than theirs whilst they rot, it's literally a running joke.

They want someone on their level from what they define as level and value, just like the women. If women value something other than looks and men only value looks, then men who don't provide that other value can't expect to get someone "equal" on looks.

Of course this is a huge oversimplification, and there are a lot of things different people consider to be valuable.

I completely understand this. This is not what the issue is. The issue is women wanting and actively pursuing men far out of their league and then returning to their own level when they have been used by those same men they chased. It leaves a lot of men having to deal with women's past relationship trauma and emotional baggage, it's also pretty embarrassing. Not to mention how having multiple sexual partners leads to higher divorce rates (which most women initiate), several studies have shown this.

I think the issue is calling it "the issue" rather than "an issue." Divorce is bad. Having multiple partners makes it harder to form a long term bond and biologically this has a much greater effect on women. I agree with those things.

"Their own level." Again it's simplifying what constitutes someone's "level."

But sure! Height and money are factors that matter to many women, and there are only so many tall rich guys. I've already conceded that there is an imbalance in the dating market. These may be some additional factors for why that is.

There are absolutely plenty of women who don't chase those things, are fine looking, and still struggle to find a partner they love and trust. That's why we don't use the absolutist conclusions.

You want to give a neutral view no matter what. You already decided what to say before I've said anything. Don't you know that sometimes there are people to blame? maybe someone is at fault? god forbid a WOMAN might be wrong? is that hard for you to digest or will your bluepill bubble burst?

Well, I have had this and similar conversations many times over many years.

I've talked about my 0.001% success rate on dating apps and what a shock it was for me after being in a long relationship to see just how bad dating had gotten, particularly for men

I'm now married to a wonderful woman. So, dismiss me as bluepill if you want and keep taking advice from people who have never had success or dug themselves out of their pits, or have a conversation with me and cool the temperature a bit.

Yes, people have done this. There are bad actors. Maybe on average more of them are women. Are you going to fix the entire dating scene? If not, it strikes me that dealing with the issues is more important than assigning blame.

 

[ihatemen420]

tldr no. pound sand.

 

[rainwillneverstop]

I mentioned how women leave 80% of marriages and they responded with "but what about this specific scenario where the woman is sick?" like this is their level of argument? not to mention women CHOSE those same husbands who would leave them? maybe choose better?


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it won't let me view, why does it type like that?

They are not an "it" and I would advice you not to refer to anyone as such.

 

[duck2k3]

Earlier in the thread you said you'd be banned for posting statistics. I'm pointing out that you've moved far beyond objective numbers and into the realm of absolutist conclusions, which is exactly what I initially warned you against.

Let's start somewhere. 70-80% of divorces are initiated by women (women choose these men mostly btw), 80% of prisoners are fatherless, nobody puts any responsibility on the mother for choosing the father in the first place but put all the blame on the father for leaving. This is because women don't choose men based on how good of a father they will be but what they can do for the woman financially and sexually. Women then blame the actions of sexually active men onto incels, this is called the apex fallacy. The men who have zero experience with women have to pick up after other men's leftovers, I can't think of a more pathetic existence. Being single/loveless all your life and then having to commit to a woman who has slept with multiple men.

just like the women. If women value something other than looks and men only value looks,

Who said men only value looks? Both genders do, it's literally our way of detecting good genetics, this shit is based off evolution. I don;t get what you're saying here, are you saying women don't care about looks? that is a very absurd statement.

this has a much greater effect on women.

And men, you're forgetting how this literally causes broken homes. Broken homes then causes a multitude of issues. A woman's sexual history can cause broken homes.

 

[Dot]

what about women just leaving men 80% of the time.. period

Actully = 69%

Sourc 1
Sourc 2

"Reasons Why Women Initiate Divorce

• Physical and emotional violence is a major cause of divorce, with women being primary victims more often than men.​
• Women often feel less satisfied in marriages due to unmet emotional needs, poor communication, and lack of independence.​
• The unequal division of domestic chores and childcare responsibilities, even when both partners work full-time, contributes to marital dissatisfaction among women.​
• Infidelity and alcohol addiction are significant factors in many divorces. Women are more likely to cite their husband's affairs as a reason for divorce, while alcohol abuse leads to stress and decreased marital satisfaction.​
• Typically, men are more prone to infidelity than women. Specifically, 20% of men (compared to 13% of women) reported having had sexual relations with someone other than their spouse while married.​
• One study found that the greater the gap by which a wife's income outpaces her husband's, the less he does around the house. Despite these facts, women are still expected to do the most domestic chores in many marriages.​

As fr 'womn chse thse mn' d/ u rlly thnk tht durng d8tng a mn = goin2 tll th/ womn 'jst FYI slf am goin2 abse u physclly & mentlly & nevr hlp arnd th/ hse'

Also mch abse ds nt strt untl aftr marrge or aftr pregnncy & chld-brth whn a womn hs bn 'lockd in'

Perhps sme womn shld mke bettr d8tng choics bt mn also nd 2 tke accountblty fr thr own b-havrs

I mentioned how women leave 80% of marriages and they responded with "but what about this specific scenario where the woman is sick?" like this is their level of argument? not to mention women CHOSE those same husbands who would leave them? maybe choose better?

Mn r also choosng thse 69% of womn wh/ divorcd thm

Bth pces of rsearch whch slf hve linkd insinu8 tht mn r mre emotnlly immture & d/ nt knw hw 2 cmmunc8 & jst wnt sme1 t/ ck & clean fr thm whn thy r mre lkely 2 b cheatrs & thn leav whn th/ wves cnnt b thr mothrs n.emre & r also helpng lss evn whn thr womn r mre sucssfl thn thm

Grwn womn wnt a grwn mn wh/ cn b thr partnrs in lfe & also b equl spport if thy hve famlies etc & whn lfe = dffclt - thy d/ nt wnt mn-childrn jst as am sre tht mture adlt mn d/ nt wnt gld-diggng mterialistc immture womn

Slf am nt goin2 us thse statstcs 2 sy tht 'mn in genrl r lke tht' bcse thre r mny v gd mn irl & on th/ frum & thre r bth gd & bd ppl rgardlss of thr gendr

Th/ lonlinss epidemc hs bn recgnisd 2 b affctng mn bt = mre systemc & deepr issu thn jst 'womn wnt a chad'