ChamberOfEchoes

ChamberOfEchoes

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Bundesarchiv b 285 bild 04413 kz auschwitz einfahrt

This is the entrance to the Auschwitz extermination and forced labor camp, the ultimate monument to what happens when a society decides that efficiency matters more than the human being. Nazi Germany placed iron above a gate and called freedom what was in fact organized destruction, but the real stroke of genius is that this slogan did not die there. It is very much alive today, cleaned up, ironed, made respectable. We are told every day that work saves, ennobles, liberates, while it devours time, health, and life with the same calm gesture used to punch a time card. The contradiction is exactly the same, only more elegant: work and freedom served on the same plate as if they did not cancel each other out. And the final masterpiece is that no one needs to be forced anymore, because people proudly defend their own chain, convinced that calling it freedom somehow makes it less tight.

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"Work sets you free." Of course. Free from time, from health, from energy, from desire, even from thought itself, a masterpiece of marketing that still works perfectly. We repeat it every day with a serious face while accepting that life is rented by the hour, that the body is worn down just to pay for the right to stay afloat, that exhaustion becomes a virtue and burnout a personal failure. No gates or guards are needed anymore, it is enough to convince people that without work they are nothing and that calling all this freedom is a sign of maturity. It is the perfect slogan. It promises emancipation while chaining you, talks about dignity while grinding you down, thanks you for your cooperation while emptying you out. Far from being a thing of the past, this motto has never been so modern, just more elegant, more polite, more respectable, refined enough to make you proudly defend your own cage.
 
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Hvergelmir

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I don't think the prisoners of Auschwitz had the option to transfer to a competing camp, offering better conditions. Neither could the choose to start their own.

While I agree with the parallells, I think the comparison to a prison camp is emotionally charged to the point of dishonesty.
The conditions modern workers experience, even when rough, are vastly superior to the condition in those camps.

Work has always been a necessity for life. In fact it's in the definition of what life is. Things not doing "work" (in the physical sense) are not alive, or ceases to be alive.
Corporations offer one way to stay alive, but we can choose other ways, and some do.
 
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Captive_Mind515

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Beware what you wish for though.

When AI wipes out entire professions overnight, and people are left with no purpose to their lives… will that be some sort of utopia in society?

Being free from the burden of work is not necessarily the same thing as being mentally free from the shackles of life.

People dream of not needing to work, but often when some people get it they realise their life is empty and meaningless after the initial euphoria of being untethered from the capitalist machine.

Work has largely prevented humans from needing to think too deeply about the nature of their existence. It's a double edged sword in that regard.
 
amor.dor

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For ancient peoples, work was seen as a punishment. In the Bible, it is described as the burden to be carried because of Adam's sin. In Greek tradition, Hesiod attributes it to the act of Prometheus, who stole the divine fire. As punishment, Zeus created the first woman, Pandora, who unleashed upon the world the evils of sickness, old age, and countless other afflictions.

The idea that "work sets you free" is new in human history. With scientific advancement, work became romanticized—naturally, in the name of a progress that never fully materializes. Capitalism emerged, and even black slavery was only abolished because it became unviable for the new economic model—people needed a degree of autonomy to buy from large producers and keep the economy turning.

To me, what was done to feminist movements was a tremendous blow. Women with a worthy and just cause were used as a means to expand the available workforce. Since this group wasn't fully active in large industries, emancipation created a surplus of labor, which led to falling wages.

The so-called class struggles served to disguise the maneuver behind this, and today, nothing has changed. If in the past we had slaves from specific groups—rival tribes, Slavs, or Africans—now everyone is a slave to their job. We are mere cogs in the machine.
 
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Beware what you wish for though.

When AI wipes out entire professions overnight, and people are left with no purpose to their lives… will that be some sort of utopia in society?

Being free from the burden of work is not necessarily the same thing as being mentally free from the shackles of life.

People dream of not needing to work, but often when some people get it they realise their life is empty and meaningless after the initial euphoria of being untethered from the capitalist machine.

Work has largely prevented humans from needing to think too deeply about the nature of their existence. It's a double edged sword in that regard.
This is 100% true. AI combined with offshoring and cheap visa workers, then combined with layoffs as the result of mergers, is creating a crisis. Toss in how expensive everything is and I'm losing my mind like so many others. I had a job I would have happily done until retirement, though inflation and strains from higher taxes would still have hit me.

But I was blindly happy as you suggest. Work is very essential to life.
 
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There's plenty of criticisms of capitalist society that can be made without misrepresenting the horrors of the Holocaust. People in concentration camps experienced extreme physical pain and torture, watched their loved ones die a horrible death, and/or were murdered themselves. Working a job is not even remotely close to the same situation.
 
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There's plenty of criticisms of capitalist society that can be made without misrepresenting the horrors of the Holocaust. People in concentration camps experienced extreme physical pain and torture, watched their loved ones die a horrible death, and/or were murdered themselves. Working a job is not even remotely close to the same situation.
You are arguing against something the text does not claim. At no point does it equate contemporary work with the suffering endured by those imprisoned and murdered at Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum, nor does it compare physical pain, torture, or death, which would rightly be unacceptable. The text does not address the lived experience of the victims but the logic of language and ideology. "Arbeit macht frei" is not invoked to measure suffering but to reveal how power can present exploitation as liberation. The continuity lies not in the scale of violence but in the rhetorical structure itself. The Holocaust was not only a crime of brutality but also one of rationalization, efficiency, and moral inversion. Pointing out that this same linguistic pattern survives today in sanitized and socially acceptable forms does not diminish the horror of the camps; it exposes how dangerous that pattern was and remains. Refusing any structural analysis because the suffering is incomparable risks turning history into a museum relic rather than a warning. Memory is not weakened when it is thought through; it is weakened when it is sealed off from critique.
 
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Carryline

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Some of my ancestors were there, they always told horrible stories about it... and yet they decided to have children because... let them suffer, I guess... I've even read books about that time and some people who could have ended up in a concentration camp decided to have children because why not...

I know I shouldn't say this, but my life sucks that sometimes I feel like I was there, or that I'm there...
 
ChamberOfEchoes

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I don't think the prisoners of Auschwitz had the option to transfer to a competing camp, offering better conditions. Neither could the choose to start their own.

While I agree with the parallells, I think the comparison to a prison camp is emotionally charged to the point of dishonesty.
The conditions modern workers experience, even when rough, are vastly superior to the condition in those camps.

Work has always been a necessity for life. In fact it's in the definition of what life is. Things not doing "work" (in the physical sense) are not alive, or ceases to be alive.
Corporations offer one way to stay alive, but we can choose other ways, and some do.
The argument contains several precise weaknesses that need to be addressed directly. Saying that the prisoners of Auschwitz could not choose another camp or create their own is irrelevant, because no one has ever claimed that modern coercion is identical in form or intensity; the issue is not market freedom but structural coercion, and being able to choose between options that all remain inside the same compulsory framework is not freedom but variation within constraint. Calling the comparison with a concentration camp emotionally charged to the point of dishonesty is a logical error, because it confuses the symbolic force of a reference with its conceptual validity, whereas the reference to Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum is not meant to compare material conditions but to expose a precise ideological structure, namely the mechanism by which constraint is presented as liberation, and the fact that this reference is disturbing does not make it false but uncomfortable. Pointing out that modern workers' conditions are vastly better is true but completely beside the point, because the critique does not concern degrees of suffering or violence but the way a system legitimizes itself, and reducing everything to a quantitative comparison of pain serves only to neutralize any analysis of power that does not rely on extreme horror. The claim that work is a necessity of life because life itself involves "work" in the physical sense is conceptually flawed, as it collapses two distinct levels: basic energetic activity shared by all living beings and work as an economic, moral, and identity-defining institution, and using biology to justify wage labor or productivity as a moral value is a category error, not an argument. Finally, saying that corporations are merely one way to stay alive and that alternatives exist ignores the fact that most of these alternatives are marginal, fragile, or still dependent on the same system, and the existence of exceptions does not invalidate a dominant structure but confirms how it operates, because a freedom accessible only to a few is not a refutation of coercion but part of its mechanism of legitimation.
 
DeadManLiving

DeadManLiving

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Sep 9, 2022
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Memory is not weakened when it is thought through; it is weakened when it is sealed off from critique.
Yes. Memory and reasoning become impaired and maladaptive without sufficient freedom to permit critique or critical analysis. That is so often why impending current events of generational consequence unfold swiftly with a different pair of unclean hands repeating the same errors of History.

Making comparisons of sensitive topics can be both constructive but combustive depending on the audience and message.

The only comment I may add on this subject would on the measurement of human suffering or welfare states. Modern day wage slavery is not comparable to the atrocities of forced internment, torture and the level of atrocities under the culpable WWII regimes.

Wageslavery today is more along the likes of voluntary indentured servitude that would be categorically mere inconveniences compared to the experience of subjects in previous regimes; such as the Mongolians, Romans and Japanese that used to crucify and horrifically torture millions of humans by unspeakable methods and means.

Over time tolerance to pain and resilience have diminished to the point where first world problems have become psychologically torturous but more of a slow burn of lesser magnitude as measured by the intensity of pain suffered over an interval that to not be equated to previous standards, but based on the rampant and prevalent mass distress and suicide rates, are becoming of consequence nonetheless.
 
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Hvergelmir

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May 5, 2024
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Calling the comparison with a concentration camp emotionally charged to the point of dishonesty is a logical error, because it confuses the symbolic force of a reference with its conceptual validity...
"While I agree with the parallells, I think the comparison to a prison camp is emotionally charged to the point of dishonesty."
On the contrary, I acknowledged the conceptual validity, while specifically criticizing the use of symbolic force.

The dishonesty lies in how it uses fuzzy high level concepts to associate prison camps with corporations. The same concepts could have been presented in a clearer more constructive way.
Dishonest, was meant to describe how the framing painted an unrealistically grim situation.
using biology to justify wage labor...
Without wage labor there would still be needs. Corporations gives you a simple way to fulfill those needs.
People who doesn't have the privilege of employment find alternative ways to live, all the time. With some very notable exceptions, very few are better off than the wage laborers.

If anyone think they can do better than the corporations, I'd really like to encourage them trying - whether that ends up in a new corporation, or a communal eco-farm, or whatever. That's not just a challenge, but I sincerely think that's how much of individual and societal progress is made.
 

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