I'm wondering how you feel about CTB considering we know with certainty that hell exists and that its eternal
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I was raised up as a Christian. Fortunately, those days are over and the only hell I believe in is the one in which we're living right now.
The only thing left to do for me is get the guts to ctb.
The only thing left to do for me is get the guts to ctb.
Playing russian roulette with a two chambered revolver. 50/50
If you know that hell exists and it is eternal...
prove it
prove it
Zhontafly
Student
- Jul 16, 2020
- 182
So you are here to preach christian Hellfire Damnation to desperate people wanting to end their suffering? How loving and understanding of you!
Spiral
Experienced
- Jan 22, 2021
- 269
We are in it
Life is hell and life is eternal (just not the life of each individual) where there was life there will always be life. For the individual though, it can dissipate quicker than a fart in the wind.
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NotOkay_
The damage is done, so i guess I’ll be leaving
- Dec 2, 2020
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Can you point out the verses in the Bible that talk about hell? I only have the King James version, is hell mentioned in other versions? I can't find it in mine.
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you dont seem to understand how not believing in something works. for me, theres a 0% chance because i dont think thats real.
Spiral
Experienced
- Jan 22, 2021
- 269
I checked out their other posts and they seem to be just as prone to ctb as the rest of us. Maybe asking because in hope of reassurance? hopefully that and not a troll
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Well I'm not really sure the Bible even talks about hell. I thought it was a more recent invention than the books of the Bible. I thought it got started with Calvinism but I'm not an expert.
NotOkay_
The damage is done, so i guess I’ll be leaving
- Dec 2, 2020
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The all loving, almighty who created us would NEVER do such a thing. You're viewing this through a very judgemental lense. I guarantee if you were experiencing an immense amount of suffering you would consider CTB at least once just to alleviate your suffering EVEN IF it meant "risking" your supposed hell that the bible or Jesus doesn't even mention ONCE as an actual fucking place. The only hell that exists is the one right here on planet earth i mean look around. I think this is truly as bad as it can get. I'm pretty sure you're fucking trolling anyway. Fucking read your precious bible look into the story of Saul and job while you're at it x
Spiral
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- Jan 22, 2021
- 269
I can't remember the details but I was also told by catholic people that suicide is a sin. It is quite an obvious stance for a religion that prizes life (not the quality of life just the creation and preservation of life) so highly to have. I'm not sure the details of born again Christian beliefs compared to catholic though
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If there was a hellish place mentioned in the Bible it referred to a certain river valley that was used as a trash dump. The actual name people think refers to "hell" was referring to that area which was horrible, but a real, earthly place. It even contained corpses, and was partially burning at all times.
If Christians are determined to follow the Bible at all times they should familiarize themselves with the actual meanings of the words used in the original written books as much as possible. They should not simply take the word of people about what it all means. They need to become Biblical scholars, and delve into the history of the books of the Bible and learn the original words and the interpretations of those words.
If they do this they would see that that river valley was mentioned as being "hell" about 14 times in the new Testament. And they did not mean hell as we think of it. They meant a horrible place on earth, which was the trash dump of Jerusalem.
If Christians are determined to follow the Bible at all times they should familiarize themselves with the actual meanings of the words used in the original written books as much as possible. They should not simply take the word of people about what it all means. They need to become Biblical scholars, and delve into the history of the books of the Bible and learn the original words and the interpretations of those words.
If they do this they would see that that river valley was mentioned as being "hell" about 14 times in the new Testament. And they did not mean hell as we think of it. They meant a horrible place on earth, which was the trash dump of Jerusalem.
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NotOkay_
The damage is done, so i guess I’ll be leaving
- Dec 2, 2020
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Spiral
Experienced
- Jan 22, 2021
- 269
i found this link to some quotes from the bible on this subject. http://www.catholic-saints.net/suicide/
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I don't want to insult anyone's religion but the Catholic religion has been changed and modified and edited a lot over the years to suit whatever the priests wanted.
But basically, it's whatever you choose to believe.
Phill
Student
- Dec 19, 2019
- 150
I don't think there's a divine law that says: commit suicide and go straight to hell. I believe in hell, in eternal damnation, but I also believe in God's mercy. He knows the load that everyone bears and that sometimes this load is too much so they just can't bear it. I don't know if I made myself clear here, but my point is God is merciful and each case is a different case to be judged. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I see this.
Spiral
Experienced
- Jan 22, 2021
- 269
The only hell I have heard of in relation to eternal damnation is the one in Norse mythology, the underworld where Hel the daughter of Loki presides over the souls of all who died in cowardice and they shall always be hungry and thirsty and never satiated while those who died bravely feast and fight in Odin's hall at Valhalla.
As for Christian religion, it looks like it wasn't in the bible but the pope was naughty and made it up. Naughty boy pope *wags finger disapprovingly at pope*
As for Christian religion, it looks like it wasn't in the bible but the pope was naughty and made it up. Naughty boy pope *wags finger disapprovingly at pope*
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I find it incredibly brave to commit suicide.
Spiral
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- Jan 22, 2021
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I can see it both ways. I want to die because im afraid to carry on living and im not brave enough to carry on living despite the pain. On the other hand, am I brave enough to commit the act of suicide, I believe yes. Wouldnt it be great if after we died we had 5 mins to leave a quick review of how it went before our spirit dissipated. It would be so much easier to choose a method if we had comparethemethod.com xD
yes the valley of hinnom otherwise known as GEHENNA. Ofcourse jesus wasn't talking about the trash jump. There's so many verses speaking about the reality of hell after death
Zhontafly
Student
- Jul 16, 2020
- 182
Spoiler: The bible is a man written mashup mess of sickening bullshit that preaches fear above all else and has false hopes and promises. Reader Beware!
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We are going to die somehow. I don't think it matters how.
there are?
NotOkay_
The damage is done, so i guess I’ll be leaving
- Dec 2, 2020
- 238
I'm pretty sure there's not some entity keeping a score of EXACTLY how every single individual dies to determine where they go this would be a very tedious process indeed
Spiral
Experienced
- Jan 22, 2021
- 269
it matters if it doesn't work
I think most peoples concern is finding a quick and reliable method that won't make a huge mess or harm anyone else in the process. My original plan was to chuck myself in the ocean but I don't live near enough to the coast to manage it during the lockdown. That's how I ended up here looking for plan B. I am glad i won't be going to eternal hellfire though, I will be very annoyed if I ctb only to still be in existence afterwards xD
Zhontafly
Student
- Jul 16, 2020
- 182
According to the bible there was supposed to be ONE writing from this one true God and that came in the form of the 10 commandments tablet. So where is the magical stone document engraved with laws written by the finger of God? Oh thats right! He let Moses destroy the commandments upon finding the hebrew people worshipping a golden calf!
Then, it gets even more absurd! You see, upon Moses finding them doing this he orders them all to be killed for their transgression against his God. Funny that the law about Thou shalt not kill was ignored and disobeyed after he just read the damn thing and destroyed it. The bible is so ridiculously absurd and contradictory!
Then, it gets even more absurd! You see, upon Moses finding them doing this he orders them all to be killed for their transgression against his God. Funny that the law about Thou shalt not kill was ignored and disobeyed after he just read the damn thing and destroyed it. The bible is so ridiculously absurd and contradictory!
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That rule thou shall not kill rule is pretty flexible and can be ignored under certain circumstances apparently. And according to my research, that word was actually "murder", not kill.
The Book of Job speaks to the righteousness of bearing whatever hellish conditions God inflicts on you without complaining. Job was basically counseled to commit suicide but, being such a righteous man, refused.
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