Discussion Any Atheistic Satanist on here?

[Deepdense]

Lol one wants to burn the rulebook. The other wants to use the rulebook against the people who pretend it came from a "God".

But it's all in a matter of opinion.

I meant more in a moral and logistic sense.

 

[Whale_bones]

An atheist doesn't practice anything, and they don't worship anything. They are secular. Worshipping Satan (this is the premise of Satanism, even if he is merely a "metaphor") isn't Atheistic, since you're still subconsciously devoted to something.

To reiterate, Atheists do not worship anything, not even symbolically, and they do not follow any kind of framework. "Atheistic-Satanists" are inadvertently devout and promoting worship. They are NOT secular. Do you see atheists lighting candles in the name of Atazoth or Baphomet? Or creating intricate sigils for ritual use?

Think of it this way: there are atheists who proclaim their love and support of the Dallas Cowboys football team, they go to games at the same day and time every week, they use symbols, gestures, and repeated chants to signify their devotion, and they engage with a community of people who all do the same specific things. Does that mean they're not an atheist, because they're practicing something, they're subconsciously devoted to it, and many of these practices can also be found in religion? I'd say no.

Some modern forms of satanism, like those followed by TST, specifically use religion as a framework to point out the hypocrisy of religious structures. But that doesn't mean they have any added "beliefs" that are incompatible with atheism. Think about agnostic atheism; this is a similar concept, because atheism by itself is simply "a lack of belief in gods or deities" and neither agnosticism nor Satanism (the type of modern satanism we're talking about in this post, atleast, since there's many different forms) conflict with this.

 

[Endlichkeit]

Christianity is not dead in law or policy. In the U.S. it's actively shaping abortion bans, trans healthcare restrictions, school curriculums, public funding, and "religious freedom" laws that conveniently only protect one religion. TST exists to say: if the state gives special treatment to religion, then all religions get that treatment. No exceptions.
As for "why not protest religions that want totalitarian societies," TST does. Constantly. Authoritarian religion isn't limited to one tradition, but in the U.S. the dominant threat is Christian nationalism. You don't punch abstract global villains when the boot on your neck is local and writing laws. You fight what has institutional power where you live.
And the "you don't need Satanism to be rebellious" point is technically true and practically irrelevant. You don't need a labor union to dislike exploitation either, but collective identity is how rights get defended in court. TST isn't a vibe. It's a legal structure. The label exists because labels are how the system recognizes standing, protections, and equal treatment.
Satan, in this context, isn't a being. It's a symbol of defiance against arbitrary authority, bodily autonomy, and individual conscience. Using that symbol is intentional. It forces hypocrisy into the open. When lawmakers say "religious freedom" and then panic the moment it applies to anyone else, the mask slips....

I agree that Christianity shaped laws and policies, but we're already in a post-christian era.
Its influence is just inertia. It will and is diminishing on its own, and is being replaced by far more restrictive religions.
So, I'd say, it's completely unnecessary to call yourself a Satanist if you consider to be one because of the reasons you described, unless you just want to provoke people, but that too doesn't work well: When I hear someone is a Satanist, I imagine angry norwegian teens burning churches in the 90s. So with that label you will never be treated seriously.

 

[A_Spartan_Dead]

I believe you when you say Satan doesn't exist, I've been trying to sell my soul for months now so I can get the tenancy of the public housing house I've been living in for 30 years (else I'll end up homeless), but nothing happened.
My poor boy cats paid the price with their lives, I had to euthanize them.
Australia is crazy as, don't move here is my opinion.

 

[grantaire]

I watched hail Satan? in my intimate partner violence class. it was quite interesting. sorry I didn't read thru all do this post and I'm gonna give my thoughts. the group seemed relatable and fun but once they started actually threatening or insinuating violence their members got let go. which is okay. but I don't think I guess what I'm interpreting this thread as had anything to do with atheism or Satanism. I think the belief from the "Church of Satan" can be the same as atheism. it's just anti religion and anti church/state. like. yeah. idk. love yall <3

 

[Forveleth]

I vaguely knew what Satanism was about previously but your explanation filled in a lot of details and I find it very interesting as, when I was Christian, I agreed with a lot of what you have to say.

They use Satan as a symbol of rebellion, of questioning authority...

Once I got a bit older as a Christian, I constantly questioned, challenged, debated, and clarified the Bible and the teachings therein. If you are going to demand I believe something, you better give me some good reasons. I had no problem following the teachings if I agreed with the arguments layed out, but I very much disagree with blind faith on principle. I was lucky to have grown up in churches that were about teaching and not demanding acceptance.

Their "rituals" aren't magic they're performance art or symbolic acts that affirm individuality and challenge oppressive norms.

As a Christian, I never felt like I could not be an "individual" nor that I was specifically oppressed. I know religion has been used for oppression for pretty much all of existence and I very much disagreed with that stance my entire life. Religion should never, ever accompany or be the reason for any sort of force.

PUshing for separation of church and state, advocating for bodily autonomy, and calling out hypocrisy in religious privilege.

Again, as a Christian, I was vocal about these things too related to what I said above. I believed in the Bible and that there were some things you should not do with your body, but I did not believe on forcing this rules on everyone else. We should not make laws based on religious beliefs, ever. Example: As a Christian, did I think people should have abortions, no, but I did not shame anyone nor thought we should get rid of abortion because I respected other people's beliefs to do different.

They have seven guiding principles, and most boil down to: do what you want without harming others, question everything, and don't let superstition run your life.

Weird as for the most part, even as a Christian, I kind of agreed with a lot of this. I was definitely a "live and let live" type of person. I have done a bit of "witnessing" to non-believers but if anyone said "Yeah, that is not for me" I would just say "ok" because hey, it is not for them. I always felt the core beliefs of Christianity (which really boils down to "love everyone") were something everyone could agree on. I never understood all the other 99% of the bullshit in the Bible that everyone gets hung up on. If you treat people with love, as it turns out, you really do not need the plethora of rules spelled out in the Bible as you end up following a lot of them anyway.

Basically, it's like saying, "I don't need a god to tell me how to live... or die ...I can think for myself and still be moral."

As a Christian, I did not think I needed a god to tell me how to live morally, but rather the teachings in the Bible helped to guide one to living a moral life. The only exception to this would be the bit about sin and you need to accept God's forgiveness for being a sinner to get to heaven. That is probably the only part of your whole post I would have disagreed with as a Christian (and the bit about superstition but from the outside view, that is what religion is).

I do not know if this is making any sense. It is kind of hard to get across. I also do not know if this made me a "bad" or "weird" Christian but I will say there are a LOT of Christians out there like this. Do not let the vocal minority fool you. Most Christians are not all about pushing their agenda on people or using the Bible as inspiration for hatred (which literally goes against the root tenet of Christianity). They are just trying to be good people and use the Bible as a tool to do so.

 

[Pluto]

 

[Jisatsu]

I vaguely knew what Satanism was about previously but your explanation filled in a lot of details and I find it very interesting as, when I was Christian, I agreed with a lot of what you have to say.

Once I got a bit older as a Christian, I constantly questioned, challenged, debated, and clarified the Bible and the teachings therein. If you are going to demand I believe something, you better give me some good reasons. I had no problem following the teachings if I agreed with the arguments layed out, but I very much disagree with blind faith on principle. I was lucky to have grown up in churches that were about teaching and not demanding acceptance.

As a Christian, I never felt like I could not be an "individual" nor that I was specifically oppressed. I know religion has been used for oppression for pretty much all of existence and I very much disagreed with that stance my entire life. Religion should never, ever accompany or be the reason for any sort of force.

Again, as a Christian, I was vocal about these things too related to what I said above. I believed in the Bible and that there were some things you should not do with your body, but I did not believe on forcing this rules on everyone else. We should not make laws based on religious beliefs, ever. Example: As a Christian, did I think people should have abortions, no, but I did not shame anyone nor thought we should get rid of abortion because I respected other people's beliefs to do different.

Weird as for the most part, even as a Christian, I kind of agreed with a lot of this. I was definitely a "live and let live" type of person. I have done a bit of "witnessing" to non-believers but if anyone said "Yeah, that is not for me" I would just say "ok" because hey, it is not for them. I always felt the core beliefs of Christianity (which really boils down to "love everyone") were something everyone could agree on. I never understood all the other 99% of the bullshit in the Bible that everyone gets hung up on. If you treat people with love, as it turns out, you really do not need the plethora of rules spelled out in the Bible as you end up following a lot of them anyway.


As a Christian, I did not think I needed a god to tell me how to live morally, but rather the teachings in the Bible helped to guide one to living a moral life. The only exception to this would be the bit about sin and you need to accept God's forgiveness for being a sinner to get to heaven. That is probably the only part of your whole post I would have disagreed with as a Christian (and the bit about superstition but from the outside view, that is what religion is).

I do not know if this is making any sense. It is kind of hard to get across. I also do not know if this made me a "bad" or "weird" Christian but I will say there are a LOT of Christians out there like this. Do not let the vocal minority fool you. Most Christians are not all about pushing their agenda on people or using the Bible as inspiration for hatred (which literally goes against the root tenet of Christianity). They are just trying to be good people and use the Bible as a tool to do so.

Sadly about 90 percent of the Christians I meet are the complete opposite of you . The Christians I have known are filled with hate for anyone who isn't like them and will stop at nothing to make sure anyone else who isn't a Christian has a bad time.

 

[telekon]

I personally am a multi-faith person, but I think some of the tenets of TST are helpful to a degree. I also believe much of what's written in the Bible too. I believe all spirituality evolved from ancient religions dating thousands of years before Christ, and the Christian religion is an evolution of what's written inside the Pyramids. If you were to read the stories of Horus and Set, you will see indisputable evidence that there is a connection with the stories of Jesus and Satan, as well as correlations with the Mother Mary and Isis, and the Apostles with other characters from the Egyptian ancient religions.

Aleister Crowley (who is actually my avatar) was a big proponent in the proliferation of the Satanic religion and he used a lot of Egyptian symbolism and imagery, and reframed the Kemetic systems into his own occult system. He was a 33rd degree Freemason and that sect is represented by the Great Pyramid as well.

I believe that we as a species are thrust spiritually through a system called "the Ages" which revolves around astrology, such as the Age of Taurus, the Age of Aries, the Age of Pisces, etc. In the Age of Taurus (4300-2150 BCE) the Ancient Egyptians practiced worship of the golden bull, but then in the Age of Aries (2150 BCE-1 CE) Moses came as is written in the Bible and blew the ram's horn to warn people to stop worshiping the golden bull and to begin worshiping Yahweh. Taurus is represented by the bull and Aries is represented by the ram so in this way Moses was ushering in a New Age of spirituality marked by the progression from Taurus to Aries. Then, in 1 CE, Jesus appeared as God and his stories are marked by the symbol of two fish, such as when he fed the multitude with two fish or when he began his ministry with his first two disciples Simon and Andrew who were two fishermen. This is why we see the Christians having the fish symbol which represents the Age of Pisces. After that is a New Age marked by industrial revolutions, especially related to technology, which is the Age of Aquarius. Many believe that is the Age that we are in now. After that is the Age of Capricorn, and all of these cycles are based on the Ancient Zodiac of Egypt.

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If you look at the Zodiac and which planet rules each sign, you will see that the final two phases are ruled by Saturn, although Aquarius is also ruled by both Saturn and Uranus. We first began using the name "Satan" when Persians started calling the planet Saturn "planet Satan" and then it was brought into Christian teachings. That's why I believe we have entered a new Satanic Age, at least partially since Aquarius is also ruled by Uranus, but in the final age which is the Age of Capricorn, Saturn rules by itself. The Ages progress every ~2000 years so that would mark the Age of Capricorn being around 4000 AD. In the Ancient Zodiac of Egypt, Capricorn is represented by a goat and some depictions involve holding a lamp. The TST as well as most Satanic sects will often involve goat symbolism and the Baphomet, and the lamp symbolism represents Lucifer who is often called "the Lightbearer."

I think there is truth in most religions as most have evolved out of one another but my faith is largely a mixture of Christianity, Voodoo, Hinduism and Kemeticism. I think Gnosticism is really the ultimate religion and is the one true path to enlightenment, and all paths require a belief and faith in God. Jesus Christ even says in the Bible that he has come before and will come again in different forms and named himself "the Amen" which I believe to be a callback to the sun god Amen Ra. Catholicism too is filled with sun symbolism and for this reason many regard it simply as a sun-worshiping cult.

 

[Forveleth]

Sadly about 90 percent of the Christians I meet are the complete opposite of you . The Christians I have known are filled with hate for anyone who isn't like them and will stop at nothing to make sure anyone else who isn't a Christian has a bad time.

And honestly, this is one of the big things that pushed me away from Christianity. Not only are bad people weaponizing and twisting the religion to go against its own teachings for their good, but other Christians do not seem to call them out on it. I have seen very few churches publicly criticize someone misconstruing or blatantly going against what is in the Bible while claiming to be Christian. Very frustrating to me.