Discussion Antidepressants caused suicidality

[spanishguy22]

I remember being put on cymbalta a year ago and I foolishly attempted to cut my leg and arm. Got put with effexor and tried to exit bag, awful methods and very dumb, I am a very analytical person but at the time I acted totally on impulse without wondering the risks of failing or anything.
I have been off them a year. Now I feel much less impulsivity, but I still want to ctb a lot. Have antidepressants made you more prone to suicide?

 

[Sunlight99]

I was more suicidal when I used them.

 

[alizee]

There is research that studies antidepressants linked to carrying-out suicide. Specific instances of suicide occurring in people who had no suicidal nature beforehand of taking the medication. Psychiatrists & researchers have little understanding of the brain and medication is guess work in correlation with the brain. Each person being slightly unique when it comes to the brain results in some people being drastically altered and where there is no going back from the outcome.

 

[Fadingfast]

I just started zoloft, lamictal, lithium amd seroquel. I have been suicidal before but no to this extreme. I am actively researching methods and talking openly about wanting to ctb. I'm 31 and I'm just over all this. I want to be able to just fade away and not feel guilty over it. I have schizophrenia and bipolar so my quality of life is horrible.

 

[JadedGray]

Yes, even though I'm suicidal when I'm not on them, I've made almost all of my attempts while taking them because of lack of inhibition.

I've also been on Cymbalta and Efffexor. Cymbalta made me an insomniac with obsessive compulsive tendencies and Effexor contributed to me having depersonalization/derealization that I still have, despite stopping the drug 4 years ago.

 

[Fadingfast]

There is research that studies antidepressants linked to carrying-out suicide. Specific instances of suicide occurring in people who had no suicidal nature beforehand of taking the medication. Psychiatrists & researches have little understanding of the brain and medication is guess work in correlation with the brain. Each person being slightly unique when it comes to the brain results in some people being drastically altered and where there is no going back from the outcome.

So even if I stop the meds I could never be the old me? Like the me that knew how to hold conversations other than about suicide? I'm afraid that my heavy cannabis use cause3f a lot of my problem. I quit using and I was expecting things to get better but its gotten way more depressing.

 

[spanishguy22]

So even if I stop the meds I could never be the old me? Like the me that knew how to hold conversations other than about suicide? I'm afraid that my heavy cannabis use cause3f a lot of my problem. I quit using and I was expecting things to get better but its gotten way more depressing.

if you can get off them, get off. if they cause those feelings you should not take them. for me im planning with 0 antidepressant so i know my desire is genuine.

 

[Fadingfast]

if you can get off them, get off. if they cause those feelings you should not take them. for me im planning with 0 antidepressant so i know my desire is genuine.

I was suicidal before I started them but O wasn't planning. Now all I do is research...

 

[alizee]

So even if I stop the meds I could never be the old me? Like the me that knew how to hold conversations other than about suicide? I'm afraid that my heavy cannabis use cause3f a lot of my problem. I quit using and I was expecting things to get better but its gotten way more depressing.

All depends on a mixture of things, such as the specific drug, the time period of usage and depending on what your brain has done to adapt for the specific alterations.

Most people aren't aware to how much the brain is an adaptive organ and how it can increase or decrease certain functions depending on alterations made by a drug. Resulting in your brain becoming sensitive or insensitive if certain functions are being increased or decreased by going off the drug.

Some people have to go a year without medication or multiple years to fully recover their previous state before medication. As for others it's pointless and where even the most knowledgable empathetic doctors will think it's best for the person to be on medication.

You may want read about: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5641835/
I theorize a mixture of fasting and supplements may be able to help you if that's what you're seeking. It's actually very new research that the brain is much linked to our gut composition and other researchers theorize it can take awhile to cleanse it.

 

[Fadingfast]

All depends on a mixture of things, such as the specific drug, the time period of usage and depending on what your brain has done to adapt for the specific alterations.

Most people aren't aware to how much the brain is an adaptive organ and how it can increase or decrease certain functions depending on alterations made by a drug. Resulting in your brain becoming sensitive or insensitive if certain functions being increased or decreased by going off the drug.

Some people have to go a year without medication or multiple years to fully recover their previous state before medication. As for others it's pointless and where even the most knowledgable empathetic doctors will think it's best for the person to be on medication.

I've been on antipsychotics for a few years. I don't understand how I still go schizophrenic sometimes, especially given that I take high doses that zombify me.

 

[alizee]

I've been on antipsychotics for a few years. I don't understand how I still go schizophrenic sometimes, especially given that I take high doses that zombify me.

Basically this article is worth reading: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28647739

What we call psychosis can also be a response to extreme stress or trauma. For many people it might best be understood as... a coping strategy gone awry or a form of storytelling carried out within the mind as a response to unbearable life events.

How serious is your schizophrenia if you don't mind sharing the hallucinations or thinking patterns that occur?

edit: this is a better article than the first one on the subject of antipsychotics inducing hypersensitivity to dopamine: http://www.jneurosci.org/content/27/11/2979

 

[Fadingfast]

Basically this article is worth reading: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28647739

What we call psychosis can also be a response to extreme stress or trauma. For many people it might best be understood as... a coping strategy gone awry or a form of storytelling carried out within the mind as a response to unbearable life events.

How serious is your schizophrenia if you don't mind sharing the hallucinations or thinking patterns that occur?

edit: this is a better article than the first one on the subject of antipsychotics inducing hypersensitivity to dopamine: http://www.jneurosci.org/content/27/11/2979

My states of psychosis are typically about being stalked. Like this last round I believed I was being stalked by celebrities and Satan himself. I thought people in other cars were some how there to protect me by sending me signs based off their liscense plates. It's so hard on me bc once in 2011 I was admitted to a psych ward for thinking a lady in a jeep was trying to kill me. A couple months after being release I was actually hit by a jeep( not intentional) and then run over by a honda. It just gets super weird and feels so real. I'm tired of living with the embarassment. I've thought God was talking to me through the tv.... I'm tired of it and I fear it will only get worse.

 

[alizee]

My states of psychosis are typically about being stalked. Like this last round I believed I was being stalked by celebrities and Satan himself. I thought people in other cars were some how there to protect me by sending me signs based off their liscense plates. It's so hard on me bc once in 2011 I was admitted to a psych ward for thinking a lady in a jeep was trying to kill me. A couple months after being release I was actually hit by a jeep( not intentional) and then run over by a honda. It just gets super weird and feels so real. I'm tired of living with the embarassment. I've thought God was talking to me through the tv.... I'm tired of it and I fear it will only get worse.

Firstly, I'm looking at your medication list and it's really depressing to see what's happening to you.

Serotonin in the brain is thought to regulate anxiety, happiness, and mood. Low levels of the chemical have been associated with depression, and increased serotonin levels brought on by medication are thought to decrease arousal.

Dopamine is involved in many pathways in the brain, playing an important role in a range of body systems as well as functions, including movement, sleep, learning, mood, memory, and attention. It's also linked to intelligence and happiness.

You're taking a mixture of medication and can easily go against one another in their unique ways. Limiting/altering transmitters or receptors and that can make you dependant on the medication by creating brain sensitivity to dopamine or insensitivity to serotonin.

Your experiences with psychosis are damning in the sense of how your perception is altered to a paranoia state. That typically illustrates to a psychiatrist a dopamine problem. I'm assuming your psychiatrist first placed you on medication for trying to deal with your paranoia and to restrict dopamine but the effects of the medication also altered your serotonin. Resulting in you becoming less happy than before medication. They'll then label it as depression with trying to increase your serotonin with other drugs mixed in with the medication originally for the paranoia. So basically whatever the case was that happened, "I don't know how it transpired exactly & it doesn't matter" you have conflicting medication the psychiatrist is trying to balance out. I assume by increasing or decreasing the dosage of whatever medication you're taking. You might have went on & off different medication as well instead of the dosage tweaking.

In any case, did you suffer any traumatic experiences before the paranoia? How intelligent are you from your own personal perception and from others.

 

[Mogley26]

I remember being put on cymbalta a year ago and I foolishly attempted to cut my leg and arm. Got put with effexor and tried to exit bag, awful methods and very dumb, I am a very analytical person but at the time I acted totally on impulse without wondering the risks of failing or anything.
I have been off them a year. Now I feel much less impulsivity, but I still want to ctb a lot. Have antidepressants made you more prone to suicide?

I never wanted to suicide before Psychotropics. Now my life is so bad I have no other choice

 

[Fadingfast]

Firstly, I'm looking at your medication list and it's really depressing to see what's happening to you.

Serotonin in the brain is thought to regulate anxiety, happiness, and mood. Low levels of the chemical have been associated with depression, and increased serotonin levels brought on by medication are thought to decrease arousal.

Dopamine is involved in many pathways in the brain, playing an important role in a range of body systems as well as functions, including movement, sleep, learning, mood, memory, and attention. It's also linked to intelligence and happiness.

You're taking a mixture of medication and can easily go against one another in their unique ways. Limiting/altering transmitters or receptors and that can make you dependant on the medication by creating brain sensitivity to dopamine or insensitivity to serotonin.

Your experiences with psychosis are damning in the sense of how your perception is altered to a paranoia state. That typically illustrates to a psychiatrist a dopamine problem. I'm assuming your psychiatrist first placed you on medication for trying to deal with your paranoia and to restrict dopamine but the effects of the medication also altered your serotonin. Resulting in you becoming less happy than before medication. They'll then label it as depression with trying to increase your serotonin with other drugs mixed in with the medication originally for the paranoia. So basically whatever the case was that happened, "I don't know how it transpired exactly & it doesn't matter" you have conflicting medication the psychiatrist is trying to balance out. I assume by increasing or decreasing the dosage of whatever medication you're taking. You might have went on & off different medication as well instead of the dosage tweaking.

In any case, did you suffer any traumatic experiences before the paranoia? How intelligent are you from your own personal perception and from others.

I have one traumatic experience resulting from being taken hostage a long time ago. What I did to survive plauges me til this day. I felt intelligent enough up until now. I excelled in school and work. I had pretty good social skills. I was funny. I've even moved to Hawaii. I am also on Hormone Replacement Therapy following a Radical Hysterectomy. Things seemed to get really intense with Menopause that started at age 27. 31 now. I've never opened up to my psychiatrist about what my delusions entail. He has no idea and I'm not sure how he came to the conclusion that I'm schizophrenic and bipolar. I do agree with the diagnoses .

 

[alizee]

I have one traumatic experience resulting from being taken hostage a long time ago. What I did to survive plauges me til this day. I felt intelligent enough up until now. I excelled in school and work. I had pretty good social skills. I was funny. I've even moved to Hawaii. I am also on Hormone Replacement Therapy following a Radical Hysterectomy. Things seemed to get really intense with Menopause that started at age 27. 31 now. I've never opened up to my psychiatrist about what my delusions entail. He has no idea and I'm not sure how he came to the conclusion that I'm schizophrenic and bipolar. I do agree with the diagnoses .

Well intelligence is altered as a side effect from the medication you're on. Basically your memory retrieval is altered by the medication. I'm assuming you would recover your cognitive skills after being off the medication for a year or more. Maybe not to the full potential but that's to be expected because antipsychotics result in death of neurons. The older version of antipsychotics resulted in brain shrinkage (I think the frontal cortex).

Anyway there is a process I assume you would need for strengthening yourself from paranoia. I believe paranoia likely would occur if you went off the medication because your brain has adjusted to the medicate state being the normal state (if that makes sense for you). You going off the medication would result in a non-normal state until your brain adapts and basically rewires to normal again without medication. I don't think the process is very much achievable unless you're fully aware of how everything works, understand countermeasures and are in a financial privileged situation that can avoid stress factors for multiple months of working on it.

I definitely believe paranoia in your case is defeatable as your trauma correlates with it. You just need to understand the psychological aspects of it and have the properties to conquer a period of time where your mind is more acceptable to going awry because of the past; until it balances out.

 

[JadedGray]

I have one traumatic experience resulting from being taken hostage a long time ago. What I did to survive plauges me til this day. I felt intelligent enough up until now. I excelled in school and work. I had pretty good social skills. I was funny. I've even moved to Hawaii. I am also on Hormone Replacement Therapy following a Radical Hysterectomy. Things seemed to get really intense with Menopause that started at age 27. 31 now. I've never opened up to my psychiatrist about what my delusions entail. He has no idea and I'm not sure how he came to the conclusion that I'm schizophrenic and bipolar. I do agree with the diagnoses .

I wonder how common this is. I experienced a psychotic break after having a hysterectomy when I was 27 as well. When I'm not on HRT I feel psychotic. Hormones definitely play a role in mental health, more than what psychiatrists ever acknowledge.

 

[BridgeJumper]

Suicide and suicidal thoughts are actually known side effects of antidepressants that are even put on their leaflets. They are more common if youre a teenager or a young adult because everything is developing, and they appear because the lowered activity that results in you not showering, eating, leaving your bed etc goes away faster than other depressive symptoms, and when you can finally move and get stuff done youre more likely to get it over it. I experienced it bad with sertraline. Had death fantasies going on for hours and so violent and persistent, luckily I managed to not hurt myself in anyway because I was too depressed yet, and the shrinks in the hospital took me off it.

 

[spanishguy22]

im starting zoloft ill update how my suicidality feels

 

[Final Escape]

I was already in pain over life related problems and childhood trauma when I started getting put on psych meds. The meds may have took the edge off but they definitely did not improve my life in the long run because I needed therapy not the pills. Pills don't fix the inappropriate coping skills, negative thought processes, irrational thinking, impulse control problems, inability to manage emotions. They just numb u. So in my case some of the meds increased suicidality instead of decreased it.

I also thought I was mentally ill which made me assume that I probably should not have kids. It gave an additional reason to abort my kids because I was medicated and unstable. True mental illness is rare, and most people are dealing with life related issues, having been badly parented/abused, badly educated, spiritual brokenness, adjustment or developmental problems. These things can in many cases be healed but it's more complicated to fix broken people and it's much easier to push pills on them.

 

[NOT]

My diagnosis is "psychosis, non organica, non specificata". Sounds to me they dont have a clue.
Kvetiapin actually helps me sleep, but I am living dead. Made up my mind about CBT.

 

[spanishguy22]

2 days zoloft im feeling a massive massive urge to go drink SN already. Im not sure if its just me and my shitty life or the med.

 

[Fadingfast]

2 days zoloft im feeling a massive massive urge to go drink SN already. Im not sure if its just me and my shitty life or the med.

I've been on it a week.... I was suicidal but not to the point of planning. This is the worst I've ever been. I haven't been capable of work or anything. My dr said not to be hard on myself for the first 3 weeks. I also lied to him that I wasn't suicidal when he perscribed it. I didn't want to end up on a psych ward again.

 

[Hermione]

Have been on Effexor for 10 years now, was supposed to be treatment for situational depression after my husband died but trying to taper off them is horrific, it'll be easier to ctb if I stop or reduce them a week beforehand as this guarantees almost non stop thoughts of suicide. In years to come I imagine a lot of law suits over some of these medications, the giant pharmas can't cover up forever.

 

[Ampsvx123]

Was wrongly diagnosed with possible schizophrenia 2 years ago, because of my gerascophobia that drived me to attempt to kill myself, my psychiatrist thought my reasons to kill myself weren't valid, therefore delusions, was put on risperidone for only 2 months, been free for more than a year, somehow still suffering from the tremors, been told from other ex-users that they'll never go away, now part of the many reasons I shall take my life very soon. I'm over this sad world.

 

[Divine Trinity]

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Basically this article is worth reading: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28647739

What we call psychosis can also be a response to extreme stress or trauma. For many people it might best be understood as... a coping strategy gone awry or a form of storytelling carried out within the mind as a response to unbearable life events.

How serious is your schizophrenia if you don't mind sharing the hallucinations or thinking patterns that occur?

edit: this is a better article than the first one on the subject of antipsychotics inducing hypersensitivity to dopamine: http://www.jneurosci.org/content/27/11/2979

Where have you been all my life.

These drugs are no more effective than sugar pills. These test and "studies" are a fraud because they're based on a relativism fallacy; ie antidepressants are "effective" in treating depression because in long-term use they produce better results than placebos. When any researcher can tell you that the placebo effect gradually wears off over time, not that the anti depressants at any point are effective.

The patients (and the dealer) believe that because they're experiencing neutral or negative symptons, the drug's alleged positive effect must be working.

It's the EXACT same rationalizing used for lobotomies in the 20th century.

Note: For the majority of people, anti depressants overall are worse than placebos in these studies. In a marginal group of "extreme depression" the placebo effect from the drugs may carry over long-term, unlike sugar pills. Likely because of the symptoms.

 

[spanishguy22]

5th day Zoloft. I'm literally craving to go through with it. The impulse is so strong and it's taking a lot of me to distract myself. May be related to the ssri or not.

Dry mouth and bit dizzy too

 

[Fadingfast]

5th day Zoloft. I'm literally craving to go through with it. The impulse is so strong and it's taking a lot of me to distract myself. May be related to the ssri or not.

I'm so sorry you are experiencing that hell. I'm almost two weeks in on zoloft and I felt the same way. The craving to ctb is actually fading. I'm not sure if I'm happy about that??? I still want to ctb but it doesn't feel like I have to do it immediately.

 

[Roberto]

I remember being put on cymbalta a year ago and I foolishly attempted to cut my leg and arm. Got put with effexor and tried to exit bag, awful methods and very dumb, I am a very analytical person but at the time I acted totally on impulse without wondering the risks of failing or anything.
I have been off them a year. Now I feel much less impulsivity, but I still want to ctb a lot. Have antidepressants made you more prone to suicide?

Yes. Sertraline. I took one tooth off. I had 200mg, when I tried ctb. I asked my psychiatrist to return to sertraline 4 months ago. But I just have 100mg. I still need more energy

 

[WaterUnder]

I've also been on Cymbalta and Efffexor. Cymbalta made me an insomniac with obsessive compulsive tendencies and Effexor contributed to me having depersonalization/derealization that I still have, despite stopping the drug 4 years ago.

Your experiences with Cymbalta and Effexor were mine as well, except that I weened myself off the Effexor after a week so that surreal waking dream state abated. How long were you on Effexor?