Discussion Anti SS and Phishing... Just don't take the bait.

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

Is it just me, or does it seen like there have been a lot of posts asking for step by step instructions, as well as posts like "how do I kill myself" or " Where do I shoot myself?"

I don't know, maybe I am paranoid. If someone was really serious about suicide, I just do not think threads like these would be created.

Some possibilities for these threads are: (and to me none of them are appropriate)

1 People looking for attention.
2 People trying to gather evidence to use against this site
3 Authorities monitoring this site.
4 Children (people under 18 or 21) that should not even be here.

Please for everyone here , for the owners and admins, for the good of the community, and for your own safety.

-Do not give URL information on where to get products, even if you think you are being clever by coding the URL in an obvious way, that would still be against the rules of the site. Please do not provide instructions or encouragement. If for nothing more than your own protection. All the information needed for almost every method can be found elsewhere, why take the chance to incriminate yourself, or why have to live with the guilt that maybe it was the info you gave that caused a suicide. People who are considering this can find the info without asking for "help"

-Keep in mind you may be speaking to a child.

-Remember Michelle Carter who was imprisoned for encouraging her boyfriend to suicide in a text message.

-keep in mind no matter what VPN or firewall you may be using, it is still possible for someone to uncover your identity.



Protect yourself, protect and respect others, protect the community, and use common sense. The last thing this community needs is more bad press.

Just my thoughts...

 

[Jean4]

Is it just me, or does it seen like there have been a lot of posts asking for step by step instructions, as well as posts like "how do I kill myself" or " Where do I shoot myself?"

I don't know, maybe I am paranoid. If someone was really serious about suicide, I just do not think threads like these would be created.

Some possibilities for these thread are: (and to me none of them are appropriate)

1 People looking for attention.
2 People trying to gather evidence to use against this site
3 Authorities monitoring this site.
4 Children that should not even be here

Please for everyone here , for the owners and admins, for the good of the community, and for your own safety.

-Do not give URL information on where to get products, or provide instructions or encouragement. All the information needed for almost every method can be found elsewhere, why take the chance to incriminate yourself.

-Keep in mind you may be speaking to a child.

-Remember Michelle Carter who was imprisoned for encouraging her boyfriend to suicide in a text message.

-keep in mind no matter what VPN or firewall you may be using, it is still possible for someone to uncover your identity.



Protect yourself, protect and respect others, protect the community, and use common sense. The last thing this community needs is more bad press.

Just my thoughts...

And your thoughts are excellent and correct.

 

[a.n.kirillov]

no I have also been paranoid about this. but since it isn't illegal to provide information on such topics in the country I am from AFAIK, I am not excessively worried. I wholly support this forum and wouldn't treat a post from a journalist or pro-life activist any differently than a sincere one.
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I follow the rules of 1) being respectful towards the person which includes 2) taking them seriously and assuming they know better what they experience than I do (so no patronizing etc), 3) no encouragement, 4) being inquisitive and making them talk about their experience and reasoning, 5) making no false promises, 6) being honest even though it might nudge them towards suicide (ties into 5), 6) being accountable (if I told them I will be there for them etc, I will do so)
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tbh it wouldn't influence my communication with the person if he was underage, because one way or another he will find the information anyway and a way into the communities. Though I support the age restriction and would report anyone who admits to being underage.

 

[Itzyagirl]

I see what yu mean but I feel like theres a handful of people on here who are for real and are genuinely looking for something that will guarantee they will succeed in there attempt and also it's many people who need a safe place to discuss these topics anonymously without any judgment because of how taboo this subject is to some members of society also because this topic is a very serious one and they don't want to worry those around them or have anyone try to intervene with their plans. This website also doesn't pop up easily when u search about suicide and how to kill your self at least for me it didn't so I feel like most of the people here had some pretty dark thoughts n did some pretty good digging to get here

 

[lostangel]

When has there been ''children'' on this site?

 

[Itzyagirl]

When has there been ''children'' on this site?

Fr this site is hard asl to find tbh I've been looking for sum like this for years n I love ur profile pic I'm actually wearing my j.cold tee shirt rn

 

[gnomeboy17]

When has there been ''children'' on this site?

Don't know a specific case, but I was banned a week ago because I said I went to school but mods didn't seem aware that at 18 you still need to be in full time education. Although, there may be kids on this site, as there is no verification, but you can't know really.

 

[Pryras]

I mostly take posts at face value because there is no way of knowing for sure and I'd hate to be wrong and have someone feel unheard. Though i think it's very important how we phrase our replies and that they aren't misinterpreted (sometimes unavoidable) and just focus on providing as much support and help as we can.

 

[Jean4]

I mostly take posts at face value because there is no way of knowing for sure and I'd hate to be wrong and have someone feel unheard. Though i think it's very important how we phrase our replies and that they are aren't misinterpreted (sometimes unavoidable) and just focus on providing as much support and help as we can.

Cute puppy.

 

[LMFAO FOCKERS]

@APharmaDestroyedLife

No you are not paranoid. There are a number of people seeking attention in the hopes that someone will *help* them get supplies or *help* them along with CTB by suggesting and encouraging it. We're talking 2-3+ different posts per day ignoring the information they got before.

It's obvious. In their mind they somehow believe whatever the media has told them that SS convinces / forces people to CTB. Expect to see more of this.

Some are even trying to mask themselves as members against pro-lifers so they can appear to be fully assimilated *trusted* members.

Remember it's not just about the site, it's about protecting your ability to have access to information, sources and supplies.

Everytime someone violates these best practices it hurts all people seeking peaceful endings.

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

When has there been ''children'' on this site?

There was someone banned just last month for admitting to being under 18. With all the visitors, it would be foolish to assume that there are no kids reading these posts, since you dont have to be a member to read them. Youth suicide is on the rise , and the idea that a 12 or 13 year old has never read these threads, or even created an account and lied about their age would seem extremely unlikely.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

When has there been ''children'' on this site?

It happens. Just in the past few days there was a girl who admitted to being 16, was banned, and the next day created a new account, was banned again. On the unban request thread there's a guy who was underage and asked to be allowed to return.

 

[lostangel]

There was someone banned just last month for admitting to being under 18. With all the visitors, it would be foolish to assume that there are no kids reading these posts, since you dont have to be a member to read them. Youth suicide is on the rise , and the idea that a 12 or 13 year old has never read these threads, or even created an account and lied about their age would seem extremely unlikely.

Well, I have seen a girl who was 16 on this site but I don't usually put teens and children in the same bracket. You make some good points with that there is a high chance a 13-year-old has read these threads.

Fr this site is hard asl to find tbh I've been looking for sum like this for years n I love ur profile pic I'm actually wearing my j.cold tee shirt rn

Thank you very much. I'm also surprised I haven't discovered this site earlier on but when I'm researching my methods this site has come up a few times. This site is getting easier to find I believe. When looking specifically on ''how to hang yourself''.

 

[BPD Barbie]

There have been more posts lately questioning members, their intentions, their integrity. More and more people are pointing fingers and claiming people are attention seeking with their posts. I don't know whats going on. Why we are turning against each other when things have only ever been peaceful and family like.

 

[Suicide_vampire]

I've noticed it too within the last week or so, when I see posts looking for step by step guides I just don't respond. For all my mental illness etc I do have a sixth sense when something doesn't feel right and I have read several posts that just don't feel right. I mean brand new members looking for step by step guides in first post. Just be careful what you say on here.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

First, I want to say hats off to @APharmaDestroyedLife for posting this thread. If people have herd mentalities, then you are who I want in the herd with me, pointing out the zippers on another sheep's wool suits and the growlish undertones of a weird bleat. Thank you for pointing out what you've noticed. Some of these particular clusters of behaviors seem to come in waves, and there have been varying types of waves on the site the past couple of weeks.

IMO, this post is also in keeping with the self-protective spirit of SS. On January 3, 2019, @Marquis publicly acknowledged there are trolls and scammers and advised caution:

Spoiler

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/scammers-trolls-and-spammers.13317/#post-266475

On July 17, 2019, there was another troll warning discussion:

Spoiler

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/troll-alerts.19524/

Second, SS has never been a peaceful family any more than mine was. It is a gathering place of vastly different people with sometimes overlapping, and sometimes vastly divergent, agendas. I called out the abuser in my irl family and was negated, berated, shamed, gaslighted, and shunned. I value anyone in any "family" or group in which I take part who calmly and assertively says they sniff fertilizer, so that we don't all go running off for a flower patch and end up in a field of bullshit, chemicals, and bombs. If the person under suspicion is legit, their actions will reveal it. If we stay silent just because someone might have hurt feelings and go over the edge, then we are letting pity take precedence over self-protection, and true manipulators rely on that. Being assertive is not an assault.

I have seen arguments that such posts will scare off new people. In my life experience, it scares off manipulators, while conscientious people with good intentions check in with themselves and others to make sure they're not offending.

@BPD Barbie asked here, "Why we are turning against each other when things have only ever been peaceful and family like." (Bold added for emphasis.)

In response, I used the search term "arguing" to collect countering examples. Here is a sampling of decidedly nonpeaceful threads from January to November of last year. I haven't searched farther back, I cannot speak for 2018, but, I say with a little humor and a little sarcasm, SS ain't never been a hippie kumbaya fest. Even Stan in his goodbye thread mentioned fights.

This fight started November 17, 2019:

Spoiler

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/another-night.25540/

October 23, 2019:

Spoiler

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/my-flatmate-and-her-fwb-are-in-the-kitchen.24546/

October 13, 2019:

Spoiler

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/goodbye-thread-etiquette.23850/#post-437561

September 7, 2019:

Spoiler

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/catching-my-plane-tomorrow.21929/page-14#post-409287

April 11, 2019:

Spoiler

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-attempt-april-12-at-1-am-est.14563/page-2#post-284324

And my favorite, from February 2, 2019, an SS fighting "best of" thread:

Spoiler

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/the-best-of-ss.11219/

 

[Epsilon0]

Finally, SS has never been a peaceful, loving family. It is a gathering place of vastly different people with sometimes overlapping, and sometimes vastly divergent, agendas.


I agree with this! Very accurate and well said @GoodPersonEffed

 

[epic]

First, I want to say hats off to @APharmaDestroyedLife for posting this thread. If people have herd mentalities, then you are who I want in the herd with me, pointing out the zippers on another sheep's wool suits and the growlish undertones of a weird bleat. Thank you for pointing out what you've noticed. Some of these particular clusters of behaviors seem to come in waves, and there have been varying types of waves on the site the past couple of weeks.

IMO, this post is also in keeping with the self-protective spirit of SS. On January 3, 2019, @Marquis publicly acknowledged there are trolls and scammers and advised caution:

Spoiler

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/scammers-trolls-and-spammers.13317/#post-266475

On July 17, 2019, there was another troll warning discussion:

Spoiler

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/troll-alerts.19524/

Second, SS has never been a peaceful family any more than mine was. It is a gathering place of vastly different people with sometimes overlapping, and sometimes vastly divergent, agendas. I called out the abuser in my irl family and was negated, berated, shamed, gaslighted, and shunned. I value anyone in any "family" or group in which I take part who calmly and assertively says they sniff fertilizer, so that we don't all go running off for a flower patch and end up in a field of bullshit, chemicals, and bombs. If the person under suspicion is legit, their actions will reveal it. If we stay silent just because someone might have hurt feelings and go over the edge, then we are letting pity take precedence over self-protection, and true manipulators rely on that. Being assertive is not an assault.

I have seen arguments that such posts will scare off new people. In my life experience, it scares off manipulators, while conscientious people with good intentions check in with themselves and others to make sure they're not offending.

@BPD Barbie asked here, "Why we are turning against each other when things have only ever been peaceful and family like." (Bold added for emphasis.)

In response, I used the search term "arguing" to collect countering examples. Here is a sampling of decidedly nonpeaceful threads from January to November of last year. I haven't searched farther back, I cannot speak for 2018, but, I say with a little humor and a little sarcasm, SS ain't never been a hippie kumbaya fest. Even Stan in his goodbye thread mentioned fights.

This fight started November 17, 2019:

Spoiler

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/another-night.25540/

October 23, 2019:

Spoiler

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/my-flatmate-and-her-fwb-are-in-the-kitchen.24546/

October 13, 2019:

Spoiler

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/goodbye-thread-etiquette.23850/#post-437561

September 7, 2019:

Spoiler

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/catching-my-plane-tomorrow.21929/page-14#post-409287

April 11, 2019:

Spoiler

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-attempt-april-12-at-1-am-est.14563/page-2#post-284324

And my favorite, from February 2, 2019, an SS fighting "best of" thread:

Spoiler

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/the-best-of-ss.11219/

Well researched

 

[Brick In The Wall]

Is it just me, or does it seen like there have been a lot of posts asking for step by step instructions, as well as posts like "how do I kill myself" or " Where do I shoot myself?"

I don't know, maybe I am paranoid. If someone was really serious about suicide, I just do not think threads like these would be created.

Some possibilities for these threads are: (and to me none of them are appropriate)

1 People looking for attention.
2 People trying to gather evidence to use against this site
3 Authorities monitoring this site.
4 Children (people under 18 or 21) that should not even be here.

Please for everyone here , for the owners and admins, for the good of the community, and for your own safety.

-Do not give URL information on where to get products, even if you think you are being clever by coding the URL in an obvious way, that would still be against the rules of the site. Please do not provide instructions or encouragement. If for nothing more than your own protection. All the information needed for almost every method can be found elsewhere, why take the chance to incriminate yourself, or why have to live with the guilt that maybe it was the info you gave that caused a suicide. People who are considering this can find the info without asking for "help"

-Keep in mind you may be speaking to a child.

-Remember Michelle Carter who was imprisoned for encouraging her boyfriend to suicide in a text message.

-keep in mind no matter what VPN or firewall you may be using, it is still possible for someone to uncover your identity.



Protect yourself, protect and respect others, protect the community, and use common sense. The last thing this community needs is more bad press.

Just my thoughts...

Well written and on point. This place has been garnering alot of negative media attention lately. It's no coincidence that these types of posts have increased in frequency as of late.

There have been more posts lately questioning members, their intentions, their integrity. More and more people are pointing fingers and claiming people are attention seeking with their posts. I don't know whats going on. Why we are turning against each other when things have only ever been peaceful and family like.

I've noticed this too and it's rather sad. We should try to keep things as civil as possible. If these types of finger pointing posts pop up we should try to ignore them and not feed into it.

 

[LMFAO FOCKERS]

Bumping this thread for the safety of new and existing SS members....


PLEASE remember that sending or receiving ANY PRODUCT for another member that could be used for suicide can get one convicted for assisted suicide.


Don't let *ANYONE* play on your sympathies. I dont care who it is or how long you've known them. Being "nice" can land you in jail.


P.S. I'd also caution everyone about using the Partner's Thread. It can be used as a setup operation for LE.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Don't let *ANYONE* play on your sympathies. I dont care who it is or how long you've known them. Being "nice" can land you in jail.


P.S. I'd also caution everyone about using the Partner's Thread. It can be used as a setup operation for LE.

I also caution against the partners thread. Lots of predators target the vulnerable, whether emotionally, physically, or both. Cautionary stories have been shared. And catfishing, trafficking, and sexual assault are reality, not just things that happen to other people, but to people, women and men alike.

I would add to the above comment that being "nice" can end up being at one's own expense to the advantage of a predator. I personally find I am safer and have better relationships by being honest, forthright, assertive, and compassionate. I am always willing to apologize when I learn I am in error.

A humorous case in point, where I was admittedly aggressive, along with assertive:

I was sitting next to a guy in a karaoke bar, poring over the song book he suggested we share rather than my waiting for an available one. He brushed his hand across my bum. I said, "Did you just touch my ass?? Because I will punch you in the face!" (I'm not a face-puncher, but he didn't know that.)

He raised his hands as if weaponless. He claimed to respect women, he gives to homeless charities, he rescues lost puppies, on and on and on and on and on.

I finally interrupted. I asked, "Do you have a sister?"

He was caught off guard. "Yeeeeaaahhhh..." he replied.

I asked, "If she were in the same situation, would you tell her to defend herself first and apologize after?"

He put out his hand for me to shake.