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candy578

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Don't really know what to say - I know this may add to people's anxiety, but I just want to share my experience just in case it helps others prepare (as I would've been a wreck if I hadn't been able to anticipate getting a welfare check from this forum). For context, I ordered and received my SN from DMC in early February - I needed to place 2 orders (but only paid once via Neteller) as he lost my info from the 1st order, but I did get him to delete my details from both orders after. Both the crisis team and the CMHT knew I had received SN at the time, but since mid-March, my mental health has improved a lot, and they acknowledged that whilst I wasn't willing to get rid of the SN, I wasn't planning on using it and it wasn't a concern.

I haven't really been on SaSu in the past month as I've been focusing on recovery, and I personally feel like it's better for me if I stay off SaSu when I'm not actively suicidal. I started checking the forum again when I saw the BBC article go up just to see what the impact on the forum was (as this place has helped me so much and I would be devastated if it got blocked), which is when I noticed the posts about welfare checks. Obviously, it made me a bit nervous, but I thought I would be safe as I'm currently on the other side of the country visiting my family, and if I was indeed at risk of a check, it would be more of something to watch out for when I got home.

Well, I was wrong. I had a couple of missed calls today - 1 which I genuinely think might've been spam, 1 mobile number and 1 landline number with an area code from where I live. It could be a coincidence, but the mobile and landline rang me exactly 1 hour apart (1 rang just before 6 and 1 just before 7) - neither left voicemails. To be honest, this made me quite paranoid as I knew welfare checks were a possibility, but I thought it might just be my work (as they have lots of different numbers they ring from and I haven't saved them all yet). I did try to push it out of my mind because I assumed that if it was the police, they'd try to call again or try to go via the urgent MH team for my area. However, just over an hour ago, I had 2 police officers come to the house I'm currently staying at. I didn't answer the door, but they first asked if my NoK was there before asking if I was there, and then they came in to speak to me. I think I must've spoken to them for around 5-10 minutes? They said that the police force where I live had asked them to see if they could locate me (I presume they must've tried to visit me today and realised I was away). They were concerned regarding the SN delivery (they did specifically name sodium nitrite instead of being vague), to which I just explained that I ordered it in a MH crisis, which has since passed and that the team I work with was already aware. I can't remember everything they asked, but it was around why I ordered it, the MH support I get, if I engage with my MH team, if I would seek emergency assistance, what my MH diagnosis is, the website I got the SN from, how many orders I placed, would I do it again, where I lived, when I was going home, what I do with my time (i.e. work/uni) and whether I found my family helpful (probably because I got them out of the room asap and told the police I wouldn't speak if they were in earshot). They took my name, phone number and address (so I guess I will see whether my local police force wants to visit me as well). My family tried to ask them why they came on the way out, but they just said it wasn't anything to worry about & that I hadn't done anything wrong (which hopefully means I've reassured them enough).

Honestly, if I don't get another visit when I go home, I think this was the best-case scenario. It was very obvious to the officers that I knew they would be coming and exactly why they were there, but I was able to paint the SN delivery as something I did in a moment of crisis that I've now moved forward from (which is honestly mostly true and probably worked in my favour). Knowing that this was inevitable from the posts over the last couple of days definitely helped me prepare (I was a lot less nervous in the moment than how I've been feeling over the last couple of days), as well as the fact that I knew there was no risk of them trying to take my SN, given that it was nowhere near. My family didn't know about the SN, but as they didn't hear the discussion, I got away with telling them the half-truth that the police had only just decided to act on a concern the crisis team had in February, so thankfully they thought it was hilarious (but they did raise the valid point that this is all a mere box-ticking exercise, as the police could've done a welfare check to find I had CTB when I got the SN in February). I think the weirdest part of the experience was the fact that a part of me still wanted to believe the reports of checks were fear-mongering, so it was a bit of an out-of-body experience to see police coming in to speak to me.

If I can offer any advice (as I presume more people will start getting checks), it would be to not give them any cause for concern or reason for suspicion (i.e. don't say you're interested in meat curing/photography if you can't back it up - especially because they probably know why people ordered from DMC and that those with legit hobbies would not be utilising that website). I'll update if I find any evidence when I get home of my local police force trying to visit me, or if they do indeed try coming back at a later date. I feel like everyone is well aware of the checks happening now, but if anyone wants more info, I'll be more than happy to answer as well if that is helpful to anyone.
 
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Ugh, this sucks. I suppose I should expect one anytime soon. These hypersadists are such villainous people for once again terrorising innocent people in their houses at night. I'm empathetic towards the abuse you received, I sincerely hope these monsters will be held accountable sometime in the distant future.
 
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This is interesting as I also received a phone call today (didn't answer) and they also never left a voice message. I've yet to receive an in-person visit, but I'll be keeping myself prepared for one. I've already handed over my SN anyway, but still would rather not be pestered by the police
 
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candy578

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Mini update - I'm not home yet, but I got a parcel delivered and the proof of delivery photo shows that the police left a note on my door. It didn't look from the photo like they tried to force entry, but I've had a missed call from an emergency locksmith??? Hopefully just a junk call, but the reviews from when I looked up the phone number say the police use them, so I don't have a good feeling about it. I guess I have to see what awaits me this evening.
 
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I could've written this, this was pretty much my experience word-for-word, minus the fact that I was at my house. Interestingly, I was never called, although I changed my phone number late last year and definitely after my DMC order which makes me think they might have tried my old one (to no avail.) Part of me wishes I still had the contract just to see.
 
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candy578

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I could've written this, this was pretty much my experience word-for-word, minus the fact that I was at my house. Interestingly, I was never called, although I changed my phone number late last year and definitely after my DMC order which makes me think they might have tried my old one (to no avail.) Part of me wishes I still had the contract just to see.
I am so sorry this happened to you as well, it truly sucks doesn't it 😞

To be fair, I don't think getting a phone call is part of the checks (I think they go straight to trying to visit you at home), I think it was more my local police force trying to contact me after they found my flat empty. The police force that came to visit me didn't try to ring.
 
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I wondering are all UK people under surveiliance? It seems those "crisis teams" know exactly where you are when you visit family/friends without telling them explicitly when you plan to do that? Police may have options to locate your mobile phone but it still wouldn't give them an exact address where you're currently staying.

Honestly, that sounds like state officials interfere into the most private space without being a suspected criminal.

This is my impression.
 
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I wondering are all UK people under surveiliance? It seems those "crisis teams" know exactly where you are when you visit family/friends without telling them explicitly when you plan to do that? Police may have options to locate your mobile phone but it still wouldn't give them an exact address where you're currently staying.

Honestly, that sounds like state officials interfere into the most private space without being a suspected criminal.

This is my impression.
I don't think the police contacted the mental health services in my area at all. I do thankfully get on well with my mental health nurse, who knew I was away this week, so they would've told the police that instead of telling them to go to my house, and I think they would've also tried to contact me themselves/told the police I was fine as I had spoken to the CMHT on Thursday.

I'm not too sure but I believe I might still be registered to vote at my families house, so in my case it makes sense why they were able to figure out where to visit next. Although they did visit originally looking for my NoK (they knew her name) instead of expecting to find me there, which I can't explain how they got that information about my NoK.
 
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candy578

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Just got home and yeah they removed my front door lock to force entry, yippee!!!
Going to have to speak to another officer in order to get the key to the padlock on my door, but idk what to do because I now can't lock the door from the inside and I won't be able to contact my landlord to get it fixed until Monday which is quite scary given I live alone...
I just hope they didn't search for my SN when they broke in, if that's gone after all this I will be devastated
 
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candy578

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Okay final update I think!
Had to wait an hour and a half for an officer to arrive to unlock my door. I only had a brief chat as they knew I had been checked on yesterday, but it was very insightful.

He didn't say who passed on the info, but he was unaware of the date I had it delivered and seemed shocked it wasn't recent. This made the police believe that I had recently ordered and was planning to use it, which is why they slammed my door in as they could justify it under their PACE powers (so word of warning to others that even if you ordered a while back they might not know this and act as if you're at imminent risk anyways). They opened my recent post as they thought it could be the SN (although my SN is safe thankfully). He asked if I had already attempted, if I was self harming, where my SN was (although he made no move to try take it when I said I wouldn't hand it over) and the basic "do you need any more mh support". Although like others have mentioned, he thought it was nitrate not nitrite (which whilst I didn't hear properly I think the police yesterday might have called it nitrate as well) and he also thought it might be a vial of liquid???
EDIT: Forgot to mention, but he also started quizzing me on the dark web and if I used that to order. Confused me a bit as surely if they've gotten the intel from a breach, then they'd know the website???

Thankfully I've been told that's the last of my checks, so hopefully I'm safe from here. Now just need to sort out the ridiculous bill that I know is coming from having my door kicked in (I haven't been invoiced yet, but from reviews people have left about the company I'm looking at around £600 for the emergency repairs, although the police might pay that one) and also think about how tf I am explaining this damage to my landlord and that the flat needs a new door on Monday!
 
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Okay final update I think!
Had to wait an hour and a half for an officer to arrive to unlock my door. I only had a brief chat as they knew I had been checked on yesterday, but it was very insightful.

He didn't say who passed on the info, but he was unaware of the date I had it delivered and seemed shocked it wasn't recent. This made the police believe that I had recently ordered and was planning to use it, which is why they slammed my door in as they could justify it under their PACE powers (so word of warning to others that even if you ordered a while back they might not know this and act as if you're at imminent risk anyways). They opened my recent post as they thought it could be the SN (although my SN is safe thankfully). He asked if I had already attempted, if I was self harming, where my SN was (although he made no move to try take it when I said I wouldn't hand it over) and the basic "do you need any more mh support". Although like others have mentioned, he thought it was nitrate not nitrite (which whilst I didn't hear properly I think the police yesterday might have called it nitrate as well) and he also thought it might be a vial of liquid???

Thankfully I've been told that's the last of my checks, so hopefully I'm safe from here. Now just need to sort out the ridiculous bill that I know is coming from having my door kicked in (I haven't been invoiced yet, but from reviews people have left about the company I'm looking at around £600 for the emergency repairs, although the police might pay that one) and also think about how tf I am explaining this damage to my landlord and that the flat needs a new door on Monday!
This is really interesting. Makes it seem to me that whoever is passing on this information to appropriate local police forces is just telling them to perform welfare checks on people and giving the name of the chemical as a rundown? It's kind of shocking to me that they wouldn't give at least a little bit of a rundown through email or whatever at the bare minimum to any officers (e.g, it's a white salt, likely highly powderised, comes in this or that packaging, etc.) The fact that they even got it mixed up with nitrate (a pretty big mistake to make since nitrate can be used as an explosive!!) only affirms my belief here.

Sucks that you have to deal with the bill on that. Crazy that they can fuck up your door and then you're just...left to deal with the fallout for no reason.
 
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This is really interesting. Makes it seem to me that whoever is passing on this information to appropriate local police forces is just telling them to perform welfare checks on people and giving the name of the chemical as a rundown? It's kind of shocking to me that they wouldn't give at least a little bit of a rundown through email or whatever at the bare minimum to any officers (e.g, it's a white salt, likely highly powderised, comes in this or that packaging, etc.) The fact that they even got it mixed up with nitrate (a pretty big mistake to make since nitrate can be used as an explosive!!) only affirms my belief here.

Sucks that you have to deal with the bill on that. Crazy that they can fuck up your door and then you're just...left to deal with the fallout for no reason.
I think the worst part is that they said they were particularly concerned given someone in my local area CTB using SN recently, so thought I'd done something similar...

Like surely if they know SN has been used and are investigating, they would have an idea of what it looks like, or at least the name???
 
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and he also thought it might be a vial of liquid???
Ah, the sheer level of awareness and professionalism just warms my heart.
At this point I wouldn't even be surprised if someone made a stereotypical little vial with green liquid and a skull label on it, and easily passed it off as SN.
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Oh my sounds like an ordeal. What will you say to your landlord regarding the damaged door?
 
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candy578

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Oh my sounds like an ordeal. What will you say to your landlord regarding the damaged door?
Thankfully from what I understand, the landlord probably has to cover the cost as the building insurance is in their name & it's not my fault, but I think I'll just say the police had a miscommunication about if a welfare concern was recent and pass on their details in case my landlord wants to try get money from them
 
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