Another question about the welfare checks

[axab43]

Another question about this as I have no sign of any welfare check yet. The place I live is also fairly easy to miss knocks on the front door, as I do it all the time anyway. (The lounge area is well away from the front door.)

So what if we just don't answer the front door. I bought my SN in October, so there is obviously no immediate threat to life or I would have used it by now. I read you do not have to answer the front door anyway. Will they just go away? Can't really believe this is happening in the UK, to be honest.

 

[MathConspiracy]

This is a complex issue. In most countries they need a court order to search your house, but if they suspect you're about to CTB they may enter without one. So in your position I would answer the door and be as convincing as I can.

If they ask you to hand it over, simply fill a plastic bag with regular salt and write NaNO2 on it (someone suggested this here) – they can't tell the difference.

I'm not in the UK but I would probably open the door if it was the police. You can never know what they have to say, perhaps someone you know has been a victim to a crime.

 

[axab43]

This is a complex issue. In most countries they need a court order to search your house, but if they suspect you're about to CTB they may enter without one. So in your position I would answer the door and be as convincing as I can.

If they ask you to hand it over, simply fill a plastic bag with regular salt and write NaNO2 on it (someone suggested this here) – they can't tell the difference.

I'm not in the UK but I would probably open the door if it was the police. You can never know what they have to say, perhaps someone you know has been a victim to a crime.

I am in touch with the people closest to me every day so that wouldn't be a problem, (lost a lot of family to bereavement already, part of the reason I am like I am so there is not that many left.) I've read the police can go to neighbours if they don't get an answer, but seriously. That is getting beyond a joke. So they go to the neighbours of vulnerable people and talk to them? My neighbours are such gossip merchants, talk would spread like wildfire where I live and it would make my already strained mental health even worse, meaning I wouldn't want to live here!

If they did I would be so annoyed. This is like some kind of future dystopian movie not 2025 Great Britain. It is nothing to do with anyone if someone wants to kill themselves. Suicide is not illegal now, so what has it got to do with the police?

 

[ItsAllSoTiresome]

When I got welfare checked they didn't try to search my house or demand to hand the substance over, I denied ordering it and claimed that someone must of hacked my email. The only reasons I can imagine them trying to search your house is if you (A) admit to possessing it) and (b) show clear signs of suicidal ideation. Remember, SN is legal and you aren't committing any crime by possessing it.

 

[Forveleth]

I'm not in the UK but I would probably open the door if it was the police. You can never know what they have to say, perhaps someone you know has been a victim to a crime.

Personally, if someone I know is the victim of a crime the police can call me. I would never open the door for any law enforcement unless they have a warrant.

I denied ordering it and claimed that someone must of hacked my email... Remember, SN is legal and you aren't committing any crime by possessing it.

SN is not illegal. Lying to the police is.

If they ask you to hand it over, simply fill a plastic bag with regular salt and write NaNO2 on it (someone suggested this here) – they can't tell the difference.

This. Or get sodium nitrate and make a decoy.

 

[MathConspiracy]

Personally, if someone I know is the victim of a crime the police can call me. I would never open the door for any law enforcement unless they have a warrant.

Good point. I just personally never answer calls from unknown numbers so that's why I would go to the door. I would probably use the sodium chloride trick if I got caught buying SN. But I don't think I ever will since I live in a country with extremely strict laws concerning chemicals and drugs.

 

[axab43]

You could just say you changed your mind and disposed of it, couldn't you? I have mine very well hidden so even if they came in and did a thorough search, they would have to take the place apart to get it, which I doubt they would go to the effort. Being as someone said, it isn't illegal.

Good point. I just personally never answer calls from unknown numbers so that's why I would go to the door. I would probably use the sodium chloride trick if I got caught buying SN. But I don't think I ever will since I live in a country with extremely strict laws concerning chemicals and drugs.

If such a thing did happen, can't I Just say I changed my mind and disposed of it? I looked it up and you can neutralise Sodium Nitrite by mixing it with loads of bleach then it is safe to flush away. May not be the best but it is something to say to the police and they can't arrest you. Plus if did ever use it, it would be too late for them to arrest you.

 

[MathConspiracy]

If such a thing did happen, can't I Just say I changed my mind and disposed of it? I looked it up and you can neutralise Sodium Nitrite by mixing it with loads of bleach then it is safe to flush away. May not be the best but it is something to say to the police and they can't arrest you. Plus if did ever use it, it would be too late for them to arrest you.

Could work. But the police might still be suspicious. They believe that most suicidal people are mentally ill and they won't don't take "crazy" people seriously. I think it'd be safer to hand over some fake SN.

 

[TemporaryToTesting]

I said that I disposed of mine (I did, so it wasn't exactly a lie) and yeah, they were fine with that.

 

[SVEN]

In mainland Britain these would be welfare checks rather than addressing criminal activity. It's not a crime to lie to the Police unless for the purpose of knowingly concealing a crime committed by yourself or another. Saying you do not possess a legal substance when you do is not criminal, and could not even be regarded as wasting Police time or obstructing them as the inquiries they are pursuing are not related to a real or suspected criminal offence.
Should they attempt entry (if, for instance you were not there or didn't answer the door) it would be usual practise to use the services of a locksmith unless the circumstances were such that they adjudged a degree of urgency were required.
If a warrant were sought the grounds for obtaining such a warrant would be based on criminal rather than welfare suspicions; so the warrant would more likely be on the grounds of criminal supply by the supplier than your possession of the SN. The SN, if seized, would be taken as a production in any further criminal court case and as such would be analysed at one of a number of Forensic Labs.
The procedures in England/Wales may differ from those in Scotland and NI, as these countries have differing legal systems in many instances.

 

[candy578]

Another question about this as I have no sign of any welfare check yet. The place I live is also fairly easy to miss knocks on the front door, as I do it all the time anyway. (The lounge area is well away from the front door.)

So what if we just don't answer the front door. I bought my SN in October, so there is obviously no immediate threat to life or I would have used it by now. I read you do not have to answer the front door anyway. Will they just go away? Can't really believe this is happening in the UK, to be honest.

I wasn't home when they came and they tried ringing me and ended up passing it onto the police force where my NoK is, who came to do a check. I believe there is a chance they forced entry to my flat when I didn't answer, but I won't know for sure until I get back this evening. I got my SN start of February so obviously no immediate threat to life for me either. But I am fairly certain they wouldn't just go away.