Help another noose placement thread for full suspension hanging

[blissfulness]

i've been looking around and still can't find a definitive answer. where do i put the noose when i hang myself??? there's so many conflicting answers. i've tried practicing with the noose just under my jaw, but my head keeps swelling up so obviously i'm doing it wrong as i'm not getting at the carotid arteries.

above the adam's apple

Placement of rope for full suspension? URGENT

Good evening. Please tell me where I shop place the rope on my neck for full suspension? I hear people talk about sliding and obviously trying to restrict the arteries but I feel one you step off whatever you are, the rope is going to kind of do what it wants. Please do not speculate, only...

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One last question about hanging and rope placement

I read a few good articles on this site about hanging some time ago, but I remember conflicting recommendations about rope placing on the neck. Some say that it should be placed under Adam's apple and others say it should be placed over Adam's apple. Can you give a somewhat of a definitive...

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Guide on how to lose consciousness when hanging yourself (aka most common hanging mistakes)

I've seen a lot of doubt regarding whether or not someone is conscious or unconscious during a full suspension hanging attempt. Below I've linked some videos in which people are undoubtedly conscious for a few minutes (due to them not following the hanging best practices)...

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middle of the neck?

Hanging - Suicide Wiki

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bottom of neck

Rope placement in partial hang

In partial hang, everyone says it is better to place rope on the top of ur neck, above your adams apple. But when i place rope at the bottom of my neck instead, ı go unconcious in 10 seconds with no pain at all. Is there any disadvantages of placing rope at the bottom of ur neck?

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[Gustav Hartmann]

If you hang full you don't have to care about the noose placement. The noose will slip automatically in the highest position under your yaw which is also the best position to block the carotids. As soon as the arteries are blocked you will feel no swelling head anymore.

 

[blissfulness]

If you hang full you don't have to care about the noose placement. The noose will slip automatically in the highest position under your yaw which is also the best position to block the carotids. As soon as the arteries are blocked you will feel no swelling head anymore.

thanks for the info! so many different sources it gets confusing

 

[it_is_that_bad808]

Try this, place the rope around the exact middle of your neck with the knot in the back. Look up and tigten the rope until snug making sure it is in the exact middle of your neck and the knot is behind. Put a little weight on it then look down. Out in 3 sec.

If you feel blood building up in your head, restart, then put a little more weight before you look down.

 

[AreWeWinning]

i've been looking around and still can't find a definitive answer. where do i put the noose when i hang myself??? there's so many conflicting answers. i've tried practicing with the noose just under my jaw, but my head keeps swelling up so obviously i'm doing it wrong as i'm not getting at the carotid arteries.

above the adam's apple

Placement of rope for full suspension? URGENT

Good evening. Please tell me where I shop place the rope on my neck for full suspension? I hear people talk about sliding and obviously trying to restrict the arteries but I feel one you step off whatever you are, the rope is going to kind of do what it wants. Please do not speculate, only...

sanctioned-suicide.net

One last question about hanging and rope placement

I read a few good articles on this site about hanging some time ago, but I remember conflicting recommendations about rope placing on the neck. Some say that it should be placed under Adam's apple and others say it should be placed over Adam's apple. Can you give a somewhat of a definitive...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Guide on how to lose consciousness when hanging yourself (aka most common hanging mistakes)

I've seen a lot of doubt regarding whether or not someone is conscious or unconscious during a full suspension hanging attempt. Below I've linked some videos in which people are undoubtedly conscious for a few minutes (due to them not following the hanging best practices)...

sanctioned-suicide.net

middle of the neck?

Hanging - Suicide Wiki

web.archive.org

bottom of neck

Rope placement in partial hang

In partial hang, everyone says it is better to place rope on the top of ur neck, above your adams apple. But when i place rope at the bottom of my neck instead, ı go unconcious in 10 seconds with no pain at all. Is there any disadvantages of placing rope at the bottom of ur neck?

sanctioned-suicide.net

For me, the main problem was that I didn't apply enough pressure. Once I discovered this, everything became easy and straightforward. The diameter of the ligature and the position don't matter much anymore, and I can pass out easily, within seconds. Or, to be precise, I start to pass out and lose my vision and muscle strength. It's a very distinct and obvious feeling, and it happens very quickly.

Also, what worked for me was lowering myself. Pulling on the rope didn't work, because I couldn't pull hard enough. But lowering myself quickly, decisively, with full force works every time. The key is to commit fully and not hold back.

How do you practice? The best — and only safe — way to practice is if you hold the other end of the rope in your hand. If you pass out, you automatically release the rope, which releases tension, so it's safe.

Practicing with the rope fixed to an anchor point is not only dangerous, but also completely pointless in my opinion. If someone does this, they'll definitely hold back, because they know it's dangerous — so they'll never experience what it feels like to pass out quickly. Or, if they don't hold back? Then the most likely outcome is that they die, in which case it's not a test but an attempt.

 

[monetpompo]

For me, the main problem was that I didn't apply enough pressure. Once I discovered this, everything became easy and straightforward. The diameter of the ligature and the position don't matter much anymore, and I can pass out easily, within seconds. Or, to be precise, I start to pass out and lose my vision and muscle strength. It's a very distinct and obvious feeling, and it happens very quickly.

Also, what worked for me was lowering myself. Pulling on the rope didn't work, because I couldn't pull hard enough. But lowering myself quickly, decisively, with full force works every time. The key is to commit fully and not hold back.

How do you practice? The best — and only safe — way to practice is if you hold the other end of the rope in your hand. If you pass out, you automatically release the rope, which releases tension, so it's safe.

Practicing with the rope fixed to an anchor point is not only dangerous, but also completely pointless in my opinion. If someone does this, they'll definitely hold back, because they know it's dangerous — so they'll never experience what it feels like to pass out quickly. Or, if they don't hold back? Then the most likely outcome is that they die, in which case it's not a test but an attempt.

your posts have always been super helpful when researching hanging!! there's so many variables that it gets super confusing.

 

[blissfulness]

For me, the main problem was that I didn't apply enough pressure. Once I discovered this, everything became easy and straightforward. The diameter of the ligature and the position don't matter much anymore, and I can pass out easily, within seconds. Or, to be precise, I start to pass out and lose my vision and muscle strength. It's a very distinct and obvious feeling, and it happens very quickly.

Also, what worked for me was lowering myself. Pulling on the rope didn't work, because I couldn't pull hard enough. But lowering myself quickly, decisively, with full force works every time. The key is to commit fully and not hold back.

How do you practice? The best — and only safe — way to practice is if you hold the other end of the rope in your hand. If you pass out, you automatically release the rope, which releases tension, so it's safe.

Practicing with the rope fixed to an anchor point is not only dangerous, but also completely pointless in my opinion. If someone does this, they'll definitely hold back, because they know it's dangerous — so they'll never experience what it feels like to pass out quickly. Or, if they don't hold back? Then the most likely outcome is that they die, in which case it's not a test but an attempt.

thanks, super helpful! I was practicing with both a rope and later my belt cause it was more comfortable, and just pulling the end behind my neck. i definitely wasn't using enough force. i was worried about markings at the time (can't exactly walk around with a huge rash around my neck lol) so i'll find a time where i wouldn't have to worry about that.

 

[TheVanishingPoint]

If the body is fully suspended with its entire weight loaded onto the neck, the pressure exerted is always more than sufficient to occlude both common carotid arteries, which require only 3.5 to 6 kg of force per side to be sealed. No special knot placement is needed; the body's own weight naturally forces the noose into the anatomically effective position. Under these conditions, loss of consciousness will invariably occur within 6 to 13 seconds. There are no exceptions. If the traction continues, the process reliably leads to cerebral anoxia, irreversible brain damage, and death. It is not possible to remain suspended and conscious. It is not possible to hang and remain cognitively aware for minutes. Any uncertainty presented in some accounts stems solely from failed partial-suspension attempts, where weight is distributed to the knees, feet, or slack ropes. In a full suspension, death is not a possibility it is a physiological certainty. No myth. No morality. No margin of error.


Loss of consciousness occurs when cerebral perfusion pressure drops below 50 mmHg. This generally happens after 6–13 seconds of bilateral occlusion of the common carotid arteries, with external pressure of approximately 3.5–6 kg per side. After 15 seconds, EEG readings begin to show electrical silence; after 30–60 seconds, reversible neuronal damage begins, and after 3–4 minutes, irreversible damage sets in, especially in vulnerable areas such as the hippocampus, prefrontal cortex, and basal ganglia. If a person voluntarily induces loss of consciousness for 30 seconds, four times per week, over the course of one year, that amounts to 208 episodes annually. 208 episodes × 30 seconds = 6,240 seconds of cumulative cerebral ischemia per year, equivalent to 104 minutes, or 1 hour and 44 minutes of compromised brain oxygenation. Even if each single episode falls within the reversible range, chronic repetition produces cumulative microdamage: recurring oxidative stress, disruption of cerebral autoregulation, selective synaptic loss in cortical areas, and progressive decline in executive and memory functions. Studies on individuals exposed to chronic intermittent hypoxia (e.g., severe obstructive sleep apnea) show measurable cortical atrophy (up to 3–5% volume loss in the prefrontal cortex within 12–18 months) and reduction in working memory and processing speed. Repeating episodes of self-induced loss of consciousness, even brief ones, over months or years constitutes a form of low-intensity but cumulative cerebral ischemia with neurotoxic and degenerative effects.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

If the body is fully suspended with its entire weight loaded onto the neck, the pressure exerted is always more than sufficient to occlude both common carotid arteries, which require only 3.5 to 6 kg of force per side to be sealed. No special knot placement is needed; the body's own weight naturally forces the noose into the anatomically effective position. Under these conditions, loss of consciousness will invariably occur within 6 to 13 seconds. There are no exceptions. If the traction continues, the process reliably leads to cerebral anoxia, irreversible brain damage, and death. It is not possible to remain suspended and conscious. It is not possible to hang and remain cognitively aware for minutes. Any uncertainty presented in some accounts stems solely from failed partial-suspension attempts, where weight is distributed to the knees, feet, or slack ropes. In a full suspension, death is not a possibility it is a physiological certainty. No myth. No morality. No margin of error.


Loss of consciousness occurs when cerebral perfusion pressure drops below 50 mmHg. This generally happens after 6–13 seconds of bilateral occlusion of the common carotid arteries, with external pressure of approximately 3.5–6 kg per side. After 15 seconds, EEG readings begin to show electrical silence; after 30–60 seconds, reversible neuronal damage begins, and after 3–4 minutes, irreversible damage sets in, especially in vulnerable areas such as the hippocampus, prefrontal cortex, and basal ganglia. If a person voluntarily induces loss of consciousness for 30 seconds, four times per week, over the course of one year, that amounts to 208 episodes annually. 208 episodes × 30 seconds = 6,240 seconds of cumulative cerebral ischemia per year, equivalent to 104 minutes, or 1 hour and 44 minutes of compromised brain oxygenation. Even if each single episode falls within the reversible range, chronic repetition produces cumulative microdamage: recurring oxidative stress, disruption of cerebral autoregulation, selective synaptic loss in cortical areas, and progressive decline in executive and memory functions. Studies on individuals exposed to chronic intermittent hypoxia (e.g., severe obstructive sleep apnea) show measurable cortical atrophy (up to 3–5% volume loss in the prefrontal cortex within 12–18 months) and reduction in working memory and processing speed. Repeating episodes of self-induced loss of consciousness, even brief ones, over months or years constitutes a form of low-intensity but cumulative cerebral ischemia with neurotoxic and degenerative effects.

How do I have to imagine the force of 35 to 60 N, that is requred to close the carotids? Is this the rope force or acts this force perpendicular to neck? Isen't is rather a pressure than a force we are talking about?

 

[Hangman.]

Based on my research submandibular region is the best for blocking both carotid arteries.

 

[Renato]

If the body is fully suspended with its entire weight loaded onto the neck, the pressure exerted is always more than sufficient to occlude both common carotid arteries, which require only 3.5 to 6 kg of force per side to be sealed. No special knot placement is needed; the body's own weight naturally forces the noose into the anatomically effective position. Under these conditions, loss of consciousness will invariably occur within 6 to 13 seconds. There are no exceptions. If the traction continues, the process reliably leads to cerebral anoxia, irreversible brain damage, and death. It is not possible to remain suspended and conscious. It is not possible to hang and remain cognitively aware for minutes. Any uncertainty presented in some accounts stems solely from failed partial-suspension attempts, where weight is distributed to the knees, feet, or slack ropes. In a full suspension, death is not a possibility it is a physiological certainty. No myth. No morality. No margin of error.


Loss of consciousness occurs when cerebral perfusion pressure drops below 50 mmHg. This generally happens after 6–13 seconds of bilateral occlusion of the common carotid arteries, with external pressure of approximately 3.5–6 kg per side. After 15 seconds, EEG readings begin to show electrical silence; after 30–60 seconds, reversible neuronal damage begins, and after 3–4 minutes, irreversible damage sets in, especially in vulnerable areas such as the hippocampus, prefrontal cortex, and basal ganglia. If a person voluntarily induces loss of consciousness for 30 seconds, four times per week, over the course of one year, that amounts to 208 episodes annually. 208 episodes × 30 seconds = 6,240 seconds of cumulative cerebral ischemia per year, equivalent to 104 minutes, or 1 hour and 44 minutes of compromised brain oxygenation. Even if each single episode falls within the reversible range, chronic repetition produces cumulative microdamage: recurring oxidative stress, disruption of cerebral autoregulation, selective synaptic loss in cortical areas, and progressive decline in executive and memory functions. Studies on individuals exposed to chronic intermittent hypoxia (e.g., severe obstructive sleep apnea) show measurable cortical atrophy (up to 3–5% volume loss in the prefrontal cortex within 12–18 months) and reduction in working memory and processing speed. Repeating episodes of self-induced loss of consciousness, even brief ones, over months or years constitutes a form of low-intensity but cumulative cerebral ischemia with neurotoxic and degenerative effects.

Thank you for this very informative post. It's very reassuring that no matter what in max 13 seconds you won't be conscious according to science.
I just want to reiterate one missing point: all of this is true under the assumption that you are using a constricting knot, right?
I'm especially thinking to some of the videos posted by Evelyn where you could see people actively trying to save themselves for more than a minute (this is the thread with links: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...self-aka-most-common-hanging-mistakes.174897/).

In other words, with full suspension the ONLY way you could keep being aware after the first few seconds is because of a wrong knot. And this is based on scientific evidence. Do I understand correctly?

 

[kopebaldy]

Afaik, as long as the knot is centered behind your neck, it's all good.

 

[Forveleth]

As you note, there are many threads on here saying different or conflicting things about rope placement but the answer I have gathered is that it is very anatomy dependent. No one can give you a definitive answer because no two necks are identical. While people's anatomy are generally similar, things like exact artery placement, muscle structure, and fat distribution vary widely which means so does the answer of where to place the rope.

The best answer is to find out for yourself. When I was practicing for partial (rope around my neck with the other end not anchored), I found I had to readjust the rope several times before I found the right spot for me. You can read all of the information and recommendations you want, but you will not know until you actually try it on yourself.