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Berlin76

Wizard
Aug 18, 2019
671
As I stated above that was literally just my mindset for one day. Also maybe you shouldn't judge me if you don't understand my situation.

Listen no matter the situation you shouldn't wish any other person the pain. Even if this was for one day it doesn't take away you inner personality workings that you expressed.

People all said the same thing like i just did. So flowercoating it away like its nothing is also weird. And in this world not only the forum we can give our opinions on everything.

And saying you dont like to be judged by me or others is also a thing you can't handle critic. This also is mostly narcist personality traits. Just saying.
 
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ForensicallyAware

Specialist
Feb 10, 2020
314
That's how bad depression and suicidal feelings can get, you wouldn't even wish it on some of the wretched spiteful evil scum you've encountered during your life

And they're not worth killing because life is punishment enough for them
 
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LittleJem

Visionary
Jul 3, 2019
2,577
Last year I wished suffering of all kinds on a woman who dropped me after 15 years of friendship, because I'm ill. Now the pain has eased of that situation, I don't feel that way. At the time, I was imagining physically injuring her, stalking her. It was where my mind was at. I think it's all brain chemistry, I don't blame you OP, it's another symptom of brain chemistry. Thank you for being honest.

Last year I also wanted to make killing political leaders my last act. But there s no saving us.
 
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Moonomyth

Student
Feb 6, 2020
195
People all said the same thing like i just did.

Oh no, I think it's all perfectly reasonable. You already feel like you're a passive burden, but other people refuse to believe the facts, so you have to become an active burden in order to prove it. That means harm.

And if somebody is possessed of a toxic, hateful, narcissistic personality for wanting to do these things - well, isn't that all the more reason to be glad they're gone? These accusations serve as more fuel for the overall goal.
 
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Jengator

Student
Sep 24, 2019
139
You're not alone. I feel that way about a few people who have mistreated me. I think it's part of being human. Forgive yourself.
 
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Berlin76

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Aug 18, 2019
671
Oh no, I think it's all perfectly reasonable. You already feel like you're a passive burden, but other people refuse to believe the facts, so you have to become an active burden in order to prove it. That means harm.

And if somebody is possessed of a toxic, hateful, narcissistic personality for wanting to do these things - well, isn't that all the more reason to be glad they're gone? These accusations serve as more fuel for the overall goal.

I wish everyone a good life not to having to experience what i experienced in my life.
That brought me to the point of getting euthanasia in this month.

Feeling like a burden to others is different than wanting people to feel pain or wish them pain
 
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Moonomyth

Student
Feb 6, 2020
195
I wish everyone a good life not to having to experience what i experienced in my life.
That brought me to the point of getting euthanasia in this month.

Feeling like a burden to others is different than wanting people to feel pain or wish them pain

Let's say my attitude towards the people around me who find me a burden is significantly more misanthropic than yours and leave it at that, shall we?
 
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Berlin76

Wizard
Aug 18, 2019
671
Let's say my attitude towards the people around me who find me a burden is significantly more misanthropic than yours and leave it at that, shall we?

Yeah sure but feeling a burden and being a burden are 2 different things.
And its not what this subject was about. It was about wanting people experience the same pain, and that's hateful
 
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Moonomyth

Student
Feb 6, 2020
195
And its not what this subject was about. It was about wanting people experience the same pain, and that's hateful
It is, indeed, hateful. I agree. This is why I should CTB while demonstrating how hateful I can be to make sure people don't waste their time dissuading me.
 
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nonamegirl

Student
Jan 6, 2020
183
The people saying no, they would not like anyone to feel like them, I think they are not being honest with themselves. Down deep, we just want to be understood. Otherwise, why would we spend minutes and hours on this forum, trying to describe our pain, if it was not for wanting to be understood.
I would not like anyone to have to live with pain like mine, but I would like them to be able to walk a mile in my shoes so they could understand.

I hear ya.

If all these people saying no, really mean it, then they are much better people then I am. I want others to feel my pain, let's say for a couple of months (like my mother who gave me a horrible upbringing and now gets to live a much better life then me) , so they could see things from my perspective. If that makes me an awful person, so be it.......at this point I don't care what people think of me, I just want to be gone.
 
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Berlin76

Wizard
Aug 18, 2019
671
I hear ya.

If all these people saying no, really mean it, then they are much better people then I am. I want others to feel my pain, let's say for a couple of months (like my mother who gave me a horrible upbringing and now gets to live a much better life then me) , so they could see things from my perspective. If that makes me an awful person, so be it.......at this point I don't care what people think of me, I just want to be gone.

A attitude like that is hateful and egoistic even sadistic.
Than in fact you are repeating history, so the same behavior like your mom did to you.
 
gnomeboy17

gnomeboy17

Specialist
Feb 11, 2020
355
It's not that I want other people to feel the pain but that I just don't see how they can be happy. It makes me even sadder than I already am to see people so happy.
 
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Berlin76

Wizard
Aug 18, 2019
671
It's not that I want other people to feel the pain but that I just don't see how they can be happy. It makes me even sadder than I already am to see people so happy.
Dont feel sad, just life your own life with your own interests
 
gnomeboy17

gnomeboy17

Specialist
Feb 11, 2020
355
Dont feel sad, just life your own life with your own interests

I literally can't... I'm surprised someone on this site would say something so ignorent. Literally nothing makes me happy, I feel like you're heavily implying that I should just "snap out of it" etc
 
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Berlin76

Wizard
Aug 18, 2019
671
I literally can't... I'm surprised someone on this site would say something so ignorent. Literally nothing makes me happy, I feel like you're heavily implying that I should just "snap out of it" etc

I ment that you don't have to feel sad because others are happy. Just don't mind them. But if you want to stay sad then stay sad
 
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crazy1

Member
Mar 2, 2020
65
I would hate for people to actually go through what I have been through, but I understand wising they did so they could just understand the pain I'm in more.
 
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gnomeboy17

Specialist
Feb 11, 2020
355
I ment that you don't have to feel sad because others are happy. Just don't mind them. But if you want to stay sad then stay sad
No no, that's what I'm saying. That you're implying that I can just choose to be happy.... I can't.
 
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GoodPersonEffed

Brevity is my middle name, but my name was TL
Jan 11, 2020
6,727
People all said the same thing like i just did.

I'm not sure why, but you seem to be telling a lot of folks here how to feel, and name-calling others who don't feel as you do. And then, triangulating "all" to strengthen your position. I'm part of that "all," and I did *not* say the things you've said. I said I was troubled and saddened by the original post, but that I also felt compassion. I also said that I sometimes wish that those who harm could feel for a bit the pain they caused others in order that they would understand and stop causing harm. Many here have made similar statements to this, just as many have answered the OP's title question with a definitive no, as you have. But there has not been a unanimous consensus of *all* that you are claiming.

Just as I was troubled by the title and the original post, I am troubled that you began attacking the OP immediately after s/he said they no longer hold the original view, and said that it was temporary. I am troubled that you harshly condemned another member for honest feelings, and dictated to another how to feel about other people. I don't understand what is causing you to stand on a place where you believe you are higher than everyone else, nor why you are shooting down arrows of fire and brimstone from this elevated height.


And in this world not only the forum we can give our opinions on everything.

You are saying your opinions, but you are presenting them as condemnations and directions, not as things which grow in your garden, but that you insist belong in others' gardens and should be transplanted there immediately if they don't already grow there.

And saying you dont like to be judged by me or others is also a thing you can't handle critic. This also is mostly narcist personality traits. Just saying.

Constructive criticism is not condemnation or harsh judgment. It builds, it does not negate or destroy.



Marcus Aurelius wrote to himself in his meditations about a man with bad breath. He told himself, it is natural that a mouth may emanate such odors, and advised himself to use his reason to appeal to the reason of the other man, to make the man aware of the offensive odor so that he could do something about it, and there would then be no cause for anger.

@Berlin76, your opinions are emanating some very bad odor. It is natural to feel personally offended by how others express their feelings and manage their lives based on the hurts they've experienced. That is a human response when one has been hurt by similar behaviors, and made great efforts to rise above the same hurts. But to impose those opinions as condemnation, superiority, and control really smells and causes offense. I don't want to be angry with you, so I am using my reason to appeal to yours. I hope you'll work on the offending odor so that we can all breathe freely in this shared space, without cause for resentment at your being a fallible human, which all of us here are.

If you disagree with me and my assessments, I hope you at least know that I spoke to you as a fellow human worthy of respect and dignity. I meant you no harm, but instead only good will. I spoke to you because I want to get along, to embrace you, the OP, and others here, and to avoid rejecting you. If you do not desire this from me, I accept that with respect and will leave it be.
 
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theguineapigking

Useless piece of trash
Dec 5, 2019
593
Is it that you actually want people to suffer? Or is it that you don't want to feel alone,like you're the only one who has? Maybe you want others to understand the pain you feel?


But wanting others to suffer just because you have, isn't good.
 
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Berlin76

Wizard
Aug 18, 2019
671
No no, that's what I'm saying. That you're implying that I can just choose to be happy.... I can't.

Ok so ita chronical depressio thats hard i know. I have it myself that sucks
I hope you'll work on the offending odor so that we can all breathe freely in this shared space, without cause for resentment at your being a fallible human, which all of us here are.

If you disagree with me and my assessments, I hope you at least know that I spoke to you as a fellow human worthy of respect and dignity. I meant you no harm, but instead only good will. I spoke to you because I want to get along, to embrace you, the OP, and others here, and to avoid rejecting you. If you do not desire this from me, I accept that with respect and will leave it be.

Listen you all are new here.
And i can freely say all the things i did say.
Because its inhumane to wish harm and pain on others like the OP did.

So the odor is started by the OP and others, i am pointing them only on their own behavior and words, because it's not healthy to wish things like that.

Why should i wish others to have pain its just stupid. People here around me know i am suffering and i really don't have to tell them anything because they know what depression is or what ptsd is.

If the people of this tread reject me then fine. I know they will becaus they cannot handle direct feedback

And by the way freedom of speach it counts for them and for me.
 
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