All these celebrities managed to do it....

[done_so_done]

I just can't understand one thing: All these celebrities had successfully CTB. Anthony Bourdain, Kate Spade, Robin Williams, L'Wren Scott.......

Here we are, twisting our brains into pretzels, trying to figure out how to do it successfully.....We spent hours and hours researching it, contributing to forums, giving tips and support etc. They just go and do it. So what do they know that we don't know?! What to they know that we don't know?! Scratching my head.....

 

[Jumper]

I just can't understand one thing: All these celebrities had successfully CTB. Anthony Bourdain, Kate Spade, Robin Williams, L'Wren Scott.......

Here we are, twisting our brains into pretzels, trying to figure out how to do it successfully.....We spent hours and hours researching it, contributing to forums, giving tips and support etc. They just go and do it. So what do they know that we don't know?! What to they know that we don't know?! Scratching my head.....

Who knows how many times they tried. Kate Spade was depressed for years and was obsessed with Robin Williams' suicide.

 

[Tristevie]

@done_so_done, i think it goes beyond the knowledge of everyone, but especially the ability of the human being to continue to bear his suffering.

Before the decision, there is an impossible language: one commits suicide for lack of words to say it, either one has been reduced to silence, or one has more faith in the acting power than the speech.

 

[Roger]

I just can't understand one thing: All these celebrities had successfully CTB. Anthony Bourdain, Kate Spade, Robin Williams, L'Wren Scott.......

Here we are, twisting our brains into pretzels, trying to figure out how to do it successfully.....We spent hours and hours researching it, contributing to forums, giving tips and support etc. They just go and do it. So what do they know that we don't know?! What to they know that we don't know?! Scratching my head.....

We all endlessly discuss a range of methods, N, SN, CO, rebreathers, arcane methods of suffocation, the list goes on. All with the intention of avoiding discomfort and pain.

They just hanged themselves.

 

[Joannf]

I just can't understand one thing: All these celebrities had successfully CTB. Anthony Bourdain, Kate Spade, Robin Williams, L'Wren Scott.......

Here we are, twisting our brains into pretzels, trying to figure out how to do it successfully.....We spent hours and hours researching it, contributing to forums, giving tips and support etc. They just go and do it. So what do they know that we don't know?! What to they know that we don't know?! Scratching my head.....

Celebrities are just SO much smarter than we are.

 

[Tristevie]

@Roger, yes, they just hanged themselves, but the methods and the knowledge does not enter into consideration, the person who wants to die simply wants to leave this situation that it does not support anymore, and for that the method does not have any importance according to me, that it is clear I do not advocate in any case the extreme method quite the contrary, a gentle method and for me the best way out of this dramatic situation.

 

[Subhuman]

I don't think that celebrities are more successful in their suicide attempts than regular people, we just don't hear about every Joe Blow that kills himself.

 

[done_so_done]

Celebrities are just SO much smarter than we are.

I gave them as an example only because we all know them. Have we known other group of people ("ordinary people") I would give them as an example.....

 

[Severen]

Well keep in mind, they are millionaires... So when you have that kind of money, you can literally bribe doctors to help you CTB. These people don't have to resort to what normal people have to resort to if they want to CTB. If they want something, they just have to spend $$$. Because in this world, there is one thing more sacred than life...and that is money...

 

[done_so_done]

Well keep in mind, they are millionaires... So when you have that kind of money, you can literally bribe people to help you CTB.

Like perhaps Michael Jackson? I oh so envy him.....

 

[Severen]

Like perhaps Michael Jackson? I oh so envy him.....

Yeah, they get to CTB and then the official story is usually, it was an accident... So their legacy doesn't get shit on.

 

[GoneWrong]

Recently read that Robin Williams was on the same meds that I am on, Seroquel and Mirtazapine, no wonder he ended it all!

 

[done_so_done]

Recently read that Robin Williams was on the same meds that I am on, Seroquel and Mirtazapine, no wonder he ended it all!

I'm on Mirtazapine as well.....Robin Williams got diagnosed with a nasty disease though, so he had all the reasons to CTB on his own terms before he'd lose all his dignity.....

 

[done_so_done]

It wasn't a bad idea insofar as it shows that poverty is relative (without comparison, it doesn't exist), and remind us about how messed up our world is when guys like Robbie Williams only want to get out of it at all cost. It also shows what self-pitying, delusional animals humans are.
One might say that without totally subscribing to silly delusions (afterlife, success in business, whatever), we cannot survive.
So the difference in outlook between a functioning individual in an insane scavenger 'society' and a suicidal one is merely perception.

Well, I don't know if Robbie Williams is the best example of this - he was diagnosed with Lewy bodies dementia so nothing good was awaiting him. Far from self-pity......

 

[GoneWrong]

Robin*

 

[throwaway123]

Well keep in mind, they are millionaires... So when you have that kind of money, you can literally bribe doctors to help you CTB. These people don't have to resort to what normal people have to resort to if they want to CTB. If they want something, they just have to spend $$$. Because in this world, there is one thing more sacred than life...and that is money...

This.

 

[Severen]

Well, I don't know if Robbie Williams is the best example of this - he was diagnosed with Lewy bodies dementia so nothing good was awaiting him. Far from self-pity......

He suffered from mental illnesses, which we all know are incurable. And these mental illnesses will eventually win because your body builds up tolerance against medications. All you can do is buy yourself time. And he was poor because he owed too much money(millions and millions of dollars) to people... He would have had to work until he was in his 90s etc... He was old. He was 63 years old... And then after he CTBed, I remember a bunch of people taking a shit on him because he CTBed... This just made me more misanthropic. It shows how fucked up people are... Like when people started shitting on Elvis after he gained a lot of weight and died a very undignified death. So many people are so blinded with their religion and so cruel without any good reason. I remember people making fun of this English king and laughing at how he was killed. People were making fun of him because he was suspected of being a homosexual because he preferred spending most of his time with best friends who were men and was 100% loyal to them no matter what and it is said, he was killed by assassins shoving a hot poker into his ass(historians aren't sure if he actually died that way though). But he was murdered, one way or another.

 

[Subhuman]

Well keep in mind, they are millionaires... So when you have that kind of money, you can literally bribe doctors to help you CTB. These people don't have to resort to what normal people have to resort to if they want to CTB. If they want something, they just have to spend $$$. Because in this world, there is one thing more sacred than life...and that is money...

I was going to say this too, but then someone mentioned that the celebrities listed above hanged themselves.

But I agree, if I had money and connections I wouldn't be here. I would have gotten either sleeping pills or a firearm looong ago lol

 

[done_so_done]

He suffered from mental illnesses, which we all know are incurable. And these mental illnesses will eventually win because your body builds up tolerance against medications. All you can do is buy yourself time. And he was poor because he owed too much money(millions and millions of dollars) to people... He would have had to work until he was in his 90s etc... And then after he CTBed, I remember a bunch of people taking a shit on him because he CTBed... This just made me more misanthropic.

I can't be more misanthropic than I already am....

 

[Dreamcolleger]

I have a theory confidence weighs into it a bit. I feel more up for going through with a hanging method when I think about all the good things about me to build myself up, so it kind of feels more like I have good qualities but am choosing to disregard the world and leave it. Someone that feels like a complete loser and is at rock bottom in confidence and self esteem might have feelings that they won't be able to do it properly, don't deserve to be able to, etc and might not go full throttle at their method.

If I use partial I'm going to put on some clothes I like (in fact funny for the occasion, I think comedy can help), play some of my favourite music, have a little drink. I'm going to stand up ready to face what comes next, with a fighting chance.

 

[Severen]

I was going to say this too, but then someone mentioned that the celebrities listed above hanged themselves.

But I agree, if I had money and connections I wouldn't be here. I would have gotten either sleeping pills or a firearm looong ago lol

Maybe some people go with the old hanging method because they have this, if it ain't broke, don't fix it way of looking at things. Because it has been one the most popular ways of executing people in the past. And they don't give a shit if it's extremely painful as long as it is effective?

 

[TimeToDie]

The rich & famous use some very ordinary & often FREE methods. In reading about rich celebrity suicides I've found hanging by vacuum cleaner cord, nylon belt, and exercise resistance band. If a belt is just too damn expensive I've read that even a broken wine bottle can be effective. They seem to simply grab any available household item. The wealthiest suicide ever apparently was a German businessman worth $12 billion -- that's a millionaire 12,000 times over -- and he got hit by a train.

Kurt Cobain spent a wee bit more than zero with a Remington Model 11 20-gauge shotgun, though you could buy a notably more powerful 12-gauge for $230. Hey, that's far less than the price of Nembutal!

Or there's Amy Winehouse who died (accidentally) by simply drinking vodka (no other drugs involved).

 

[Irishsteve88]

Whos the say they could have bin on this site or other sites getting advice we dont know. Likewsie how long and how many times they tried I dont for a second believe that one for the first time in a hanging would be successful 1 maybe out of every 100 suicides. My guess with celebrities is that they have tried many of times before but couldn't get there. We only ever hear of of the celebs suicidal thoughts after they are dead. We never hear of any getting treatment for attempts. Well I never hear of it. I only ever hear if their sick or in rehab or so on. Our day will all come eventually

 

[done_so_done]

The rich & famous use some very ordinary & often FREE methods. In reading about rich celebrity suicides I've found hanging by vacuum cleaner cord, nylon belt, and exercise resistance band. If a belt is just too damn expensive I've read that even a broken wine bottle can be effective. They seem to simply grab any available household item. The wealthiest suicide ever apparently was a German businessman worth $12 billion -- that's a millionaire 12,000 times over -- and he got hit by a train.

Kurt Cobain spent a wee bit more than zero with a Remington Model 11 20-gauge shotgun, though you could buy a notably more powerful 12-gauge for $230. Hey, that's far less than the price of Nembutal!

Or there's Amy Winehouse who died (accidentally) by simply drinking vodka (no other drugs involved).

Amy Winehouse, how did she manage? It's so hard to die from alcohol poisoning......

 

[TimeToDie]

If you want inspiration (or just to feel inferior) you could look at the ways children have CTB. Like a 6-year-old girl who hung herself, being the youngest suicide that I could find. Or the 15-year-old Russian boy who cut off his head with a chainsaw. Or there was a 12-year-old girl who ordered an Uber before her parents got up and took it to a parking garage where she jumped to her death.

 

[Roger]

Amy Winehouse, how did she manage? It's so hard to die from alcohol poisoning......

Was Winehouse considered suicide, or an accident ?

 

[TimeToDie]

Was Winehouse considered suicide, or an accident ?

It was ruled an accident, though I wondered how anybody could possibly be 100% certain. As long as you don't leave a note and haven't been talking about suicide it's going to look like an accident. Her BAC was 0.41, so high but nothing that's record setting.

 

[Roger]

If you want inspiration (or just to feel inferior) you could look at the ways children have CTB. Like a 6-year-old girl who hung herself, being the youngest suicide that I could find. Or the 15-year-old Russian boy who cut off his head with a chainsaw. Or there was a 12-year-old girl who ordered an Uber before her parents got up and took it to a parking garage where she jumped to her death.

I don't like the idea of discussing children in connection with this forum.

 

[done_so_done]

If you want inspiration (or just to feel inferior) you could look at the ways children have CTB. Like a 6-year-old girl who hung herself, being the youngest suicide that I could find. Or the 15-year-old Russian boy who cut off his head with a chainsaw. Or there was a 12-year-old girl who ordered an Uber before her parents got up and took it to a parking garage where she jumped to her death.

Chainsaw....omg....

Was Winehouse considered suicide, or an accident ?

An accident. But it is estimated that 50% of OD are really suicides. So we never know...

 

[LivingToLong]

When these celeb suicides are reported, you don't know just how messy and/or painful those suicides were. News reports are usually vague on such things, sometimes not even reporting the method. You sometimes read "no suspicious circumstances" or "no futher investigations" and assume it's suicide.

People on this forum are generally eager to avoid pain and mess (in a sense, that's WHY we're here) and consequently we may spend more time researching methods. I won't say it's easy to reach for a gun and blow your brains out but if you have a gun and you're doped/boozed up then it might be more of an impulse thing than anything considered. A news report generally won't indicate things like that - you just read of the end result 'x is dead'.

Access to resources is a big factor I'd guess, and money facilitates easier access. But also consider people with access to, for instance, pharmaceutical grade drugs (people like doctors, vets, paramedics, nurses, etc etc) - I'd guess they number highly in the list of suicides... just because it's 'easier' for them to get the stuff to do it. Perhaps ditto for people with acess to guns (police, military, etc)...

People like me (and maybe you), we can't lay our hands on the resources readily. We don't have the direct access to them, or know someone - or can pay someone - that does. So we have to read up, find the methods which both work and feasible for us.