Am I the only one here who hopes that after ctb I'll wake up in another dimension? I want this so bad, another chance. In a world where everything is perfect and life is actually enjoyable. I mean If the universe is infinite why can't every possibility play out, why wouldn't everything that can exist, exist somewhere? Is a soul really something scientifically impossible? Can't consciousness be like a radio signal for the brain? I'm afraid of dissipating, I feel like I have a profound essence that must have some importance and must always be at all costs. This inner world of mine, I don't want it to end. The only thing that I want to see ending is the outside world.
Wantingpeace
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Yes I think something after. Something happened to my brain and I'm in a weird consiousness state after. The radio signal thing makes sense.
It's kinda a fact that we live in a multiverse at this point, as showed by quantum mechanics. So why couldn't we also be multidimensional?
Smilla
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I'm all for oblivion and darkness, believe consciousness resides solely in the brain and without it we are nothing.
I've tried to believe in a higher power of some kind, a fourth dimension but my mind won't let me.
I've tried to believe in a higher power of some kind, a fourth dimension but my mind won't let me.
I'm the same now. Almost all spiritual experiences look similar to hallucinations. I sometime woke up in the night with sleep paralysis and I had an oobe, because that was my first thought, then another night my first thought in sleep paralysis was of my sister and I saw her sitting on a chair in my room. Whenever I have sleep paralysis I hallucinate the first thought I have, kinda ruined my faith that I was actually out of my body.
weedoge
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There may well be 4 dimensions or more, but if they are they're likely scientifically definable and not what a spiritualist would expect.
I agree with you completely, consciousness comes from the mind. We're not empty shells with consciousness dropped in. We have no soul. Once the brain is destroyed, that's it. All memories and experiences lost forever.
weedoge
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Yeah my genuine opinion on it is that 99% I think there'll just be nothingness forever afterwards. 1% chance that there's something we don't know.While this seems likely I really hope you're wrong
but really, we're even beginning to piece together the origins of life. Hydrophilic and hydrophobic molecules that can support enclosed chemical reactions that eventually became the first living cells. etc etc. We know an incredible amount about the world around us. Every single idea that there may be an afterlife has come from human ideas and imagination rather than scientific basis. What are the chances that a random idea that we hope to be true... is true?
Sorry :(
Maybe an advanced alien civilization will recreate every being, planet and star that had died in a virtual reality or something, what do you guys think about this? So we die and we wake up because they recreated us atom by atom
weedoge
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I don't think for a second consciousness could ever be transferred out of your mind, I spoke to someone else here about this, at best you could make a copy/upload. but it would be a brand new conscious entity that is exactly like you. You right now would not be able to experience such a thing.
It would only be a simulation and well I suppose I have this idea that wherever a consciousness is born is where it must stay. bit farfetched at this point but it seems to make sense to me.
Edit: the only way I see this being plausible is if we're ALREADY in a simulation (don't quote Elon Musk to me I hate the guy and I don't for a second believe it's as likely as he makes out) then it'd make sense to be able to continue the "same" consciousness even after death in some other form, if it were just some video game type environment.
In the real world, in reality, if what we know is really everything and the only things we're missing are like dark energy, what comes before the big bang, whats outside our universe etc etc. Then no I don't think there's any possible way to continue our conscious experience truly after death.
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But if we're just information made out of subatomic particles like materialists scientists claim why couldn't this be possible? Or maybe there's more to it. Let's say right now I'm alive and you recreate me atom by atom, there's really not a single difference. But I'm still here in my body, and that is another guy. Doesn't this paradox disprove the fact that we are just atomic constructs?
weedoge
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because our conscious experience is being ourselves, in our bodies, with our brains and memories. If I were to recreate myself atom by atom, so precisely that it even had the same memories and thoughts and traits as me, that doesn't mean it's me right? It's just the same as making an exact clone. It may feel and think that it is me and for all intents and purposes, to all other observers it would be me. But from my point of view... I'm me and a clone is not me.
If you could kill yourself and upload into a simulation instantly upon death*, it would appear to everybody else that your consciousness had transferred into the simulation right? but really, it's a copy and not the same instance. I wish I could describe it better with words but a certain episode of black mirror actually had me thinking about this recently. If you haven't seen the show I could find the title of the episode?
Yes but what is that factor that makes you "you" and the other you a different entity even if there is not a single material difference between you and that clone. It can't just be an illusion, you know that you exist. Can't that difference be the spirit? Something nonlocal.
weedoge
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It's our continuous conscious experience. The original you is the only you. A copy would believe it was you and have all your experiences etc but in relation to reality it won't have literally experienced all of those memories. The original you created those memories and if you create a copy while also not dying yourself, then you would both go on from that point leading different lives right? Yes if you want to get technical they're still both the same person but you know, without trying to get pedantic, they are different conscious beings.
Using this logic you can understand that there probably isn't a way to transfer a consciousness, or at least that's how I see it :p
I don't believe in a spirit. We know we're us because of the complexity of our brains and evolution. It's not a non-local thing.
Smilla
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If you are interested in the consciousness after death concept,
look up Pim Van Lommel, the Dutch cardiologist who claims it continues and wrote a book about his experiences with cardiac arrest patients.
So you don't believe that consciousness actually exist (physically), you see it as something abstract?
weedoge
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I try to explain everything very sceptically and I've heard things like this before. The way I see it is that if the brain is conscious, it will compensate for any gaps. If you "died" temporarily and then come back to life, the brain must interpret that in some way. It's not shocking that people going through similar experiences might interpret these gaps in the same way.
Every spiritual idea has come from the imagination of man... imo.
weedoge
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Depends exactly what you mean. The conscious experience is not a physical thing, the brain allows us to feel things that are impossible to convey to other people (qualia), but of course the conscious experience is just a result of neurons firing in a certain way. Dreams are a result of neurons firing in random ways during sleep and our brain trying to make sense of that. Memories are just neurons firing in a specific pattern and we can reinforce memories by forcefully recalling them repeatedly, which literally strengthens and thickens those neuron pathways and makes them more likely to be used (from what I know).
A person can be completely changed just by removing a certain part of their brain, every essence of a persons being is inside the brain.
Many scientific discoveries have come from imagination. Giordano Bruno dreamed that the universe was way bigger than what the church taught him
weedoge
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Scientific discoveries also tend to be backed up by evidence :P
I would argue everything that we know about the universe was once an idea in our imagination
weedoge
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Yes.. you're missing my point and getting a bit abstract now sorry.
Yes and we toss the ones that seem like nonsense, impossible to investigate, impossible to prove, impossible to measure. If there were anything special about consciousness I believe we would have found it by now. We're able to detective waves of gravity passing through the earth by watching how they cause movements of distances less than 1/10000 of a proton between 2 mirrors spaced 4km apart.
We can literally measure ripples in spacetime....
We're able to use quantum entanglement in the context of a computer now.
There are so many bloody amazing things we can do with science and there is not a single scientific reason for us to believe there is anything unique or special about the human conscious experience. imho.
bigj75
“From Knowledge springs power."
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I have no idea. Don't really care as long as there is no more pain after ctb.
bigj75
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Trashcan
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bigj75
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weedoge
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By very definition, there isn't anything outside of space and time. Although we're getting into the realms of physics that, as much as it's interesting, I know very little about. If there were something outside of space and time then we may be able to measure it by making predictions of how those things might affect things inside our observable universe, and then looking for those things.
