Afraid of what happens after death

[GodChallengesMe]

My logic is that we can see first person POV of people that have damaged brains and neurodegenerative diseases and if they don't have some ability then that ability will not exist after you die too. And we pretty much have examples of diseases and damaged brains for every particular part of consciousness like memories desires fears thoughts language ability to recognize faces to recognize form to hear sounds or interpret them. I can't imagine how after blowing your head off using a bullet all those things will somehow continue if you can see how they can not continue DURING BEING ALIVE.

Damaged persons no longer express abilities because they got damaged and possess damaged brain. Once the brain completely ceases functioning, nobody knows what happens from first person POV when that particular carcass stops biological functioning. The body is just a carcass, a machine if you want to call it that way, that is built step-by-step to evolve and experience itself right from the conception in the eggs of a mother.

We didn't have working brains either before we were born and until we developed it to become aware of ourselves but we did at some point. How, why and from where did we emerge nobody knows of course and the same can be said where do we go after death - nobody knows. Since we only know that something exists rather than nothing and have no idea of what is it like of there being nothing, there can't be nothing after death, because there is something right now and always was since we became aware.

 

[Lextyle]

Damaged persons no longer express abilities because they got damaged and possess damaged brain. Once the brain completely ceases functioning, nobody knows what happens from first person POV when that particular carcass stops biological functioning. The body is just a carcass, a machine if you want to call it that way, that is built step-by-step to evolve and experience itself right from the conception in the eggs of a mother.

We didn't have working brains either before we were born and until we developed it to become aware of ourselves but we did at some point. How, why and from where did we emerge nobody knows of course and the same can be said where do we go after death - nobody knows. Since we only know that something exists rather than nothing and have no idea of what is it like of there being nothing, there can't be nothing after death, because there is something right now and always was since we became aware.

To be honest it sounds like saying person has damaged legs and can't stand but after you cut off his legs he suddenly starts running

 

[GodChallengesMe]

To be honest it sounds like saying person has damaged legs and can't stand but after you cut off his legs he suddenly starts running

Bad analogy because consciousness is not that trivial as we think it is. The brain is undoubtedly a processing tool for consciousness to manifest in a certain body but nobody knows if the consciousness itself can be operated without brain, after the complete shut down of it.

You seem to argue that partially working brains are not able to experience consciousness to its full extent like we know it and extrapolate it to the idea that since partial brain damage diminishes conscious ability, then the complete brain death should permanently terminate it or you wonder if there is something after brain death and consciousness can be regained fully, then why does it not happen in partial brain damage cases which is understandable to wonder but IMO the complete brain death is necessary for liberation from malfunctioned hardware. You are wired to this brain until it gets completely shut down. What happens next is a big question indeed, nobody knows for sure.

 

[Lextyle]

Damaged persons no longer express abilities because they got damaged and possess damaged brain. Once the brain completely ceases functioning, nobody knows what happens from first person POV when that particular carcass stops biological functioning. The body is just a carcass, a machine if you want to call it that way, that is built step-by-step to evolve and experience itself right from the conception in the eggs of a mother.

We didn't have working brains either before we were born and until we developed it to become aware of ourselves but we did at some point. How, why and from where did we emerge nobody knows of course and the same can be said where do we go after death - nobody knows. Since we only know that something exists rather than nothing and have no idea of what is it like of there being nothing, there can't be nothing after death, because there is something right now and always was since we became aware.

We don't really need to have first person POV of something to understand it, we don't need to see round globe from outside to say that earth is round, we don't need to see from outside solar system that planets orbit sun in ellipse orbits to say that it's true, we don't need to see the evolution by ourselves for billions of years to say that it happened and we have common ancestry with all the animals. We can just make observations of events and changes and then connect the dots make a big picture of everything and understand something that we don't see. Same way we conclude from neurobiology that after brain death there is no consciousness without needing to experience it.

 

[GodChallengesMe]

We don't really need to have first person POV of something to understand it, we don't need to see round globe from outside to say that earth is round, we don't need to see from outside solar system that planets orbit sun in ellipse orbits to say that it's true. We can just make observations of events and changes and then connect the dots make a big picture of everything and understand something that we don't see. Same way we conclude from neurobiology that after brain death there is no consciousness without needing to experience it.

We can only know what's there and what might happen after some x event in a specific physical body (be it planets or anything) due to them being in the system. Since after death only carcass remains in the system, we can never know what happens to first person POV that carcass belonged to because that first person POV is no longer in the system we can observe with our tools.

 

[sadbh]

I don't mean to offend anyone, but I don't think that there's any evidence that hell exist. To me, it's as real as the tooth fairy.

Just saying this to help counteract any longstanding thoughts ex religious people have that makes ctb scarier.

 

[Lextyle]

We can only know what's there and what might happen after some x event in a specific physical body (be it planets or anything) due to them being in the system. Since after death only carcass remains in the system, we can never know what happens to first person POV that carcass belonged to because that first person POV is no longer in the system we can observe with our tools.

Yes the only thing we can know is how changes to the brain affect behaviour and consciousness, but we can increment using that changes from fully functioning brain into dead brain bit by bit and at every step some function stops, some part of consciousness stops existing until every part stops functioning and every part of consciousness stops existing

 

[GodChallengesMe]

Yes the only thing we can know is how changes to the brain affect behaviour and consciousness, but we can increment using that changes from fully functioning brain into dead brain bit by bit and at every step some function stops, some part of consciousness stops existing until every part stops functioning and every part of consciousness stops existing

Functions stop for that particular brain which is an organ, a tool to process information. We don't know if there is immediate transmutation into another realm after one dies, i.e. immediately appearing in the womb again like we did so in this realm.

 

[Lextyle]

Functions stop for that particular brain which is an organ, a tool to process information. We don't know if there is immediate transmutation into another realm after one dies, i.e. immediately appearing in the womb again like we did so in this realm.

Brain is not just an organ to process information all your world is in it, there is literally no point in assuming any transmutation into another realm. You are just adding some variables that don't affect reality and somehow pop into the game after death.

 

[GodChallengesMe]

Brain is not just an organ to process information all your world is in it, there is literally no point in assuming any transmutation into another realm. You are just adding some variables that don't affect reality and somehow pop into the game after death.

How can you explain that the brain itself creates all our world we experience here? Sure, its state does correlate with consciousness but to say that it's the brain that creates consciousness is a stretch. Consciousness is the property of the universe itself that arranges some matter where it can manifest in, like in our brains. There is no way to prove that after particular brain entity death, first person POV ceases and doesn't emerge again, even with blank state like tabula rasa and starts experiencing again its world surrounding it.

 

[thelastmessiah]

Dont worry, you wont experience the nothingness.
But one day we will all be dead so try not to fear it.
Although people have probably said this before

Still scary to think about before the time comes, that's the issue. Hopefully with age and/or my life getting shitty enough the fear will be overridden enough eventually.

Damaged persons no longer express abilities because they got damaged and possess damaged brain. Once the brain completely ceases functioning, nobody knows what happens from first person POV when that particular carcass stops biological functioning.

Nobody truly knows until they experience it themselves but I think Occam's Razor applies very well here, eternal nothingness is by far the most simple explanation so therefore the most likely by a long margin. Reincarnation requires some sort of essence and/or universal consciousness in which someone's being is transported to another person after death so it's not as simple as that. All that needs to be proven for it to be likely with the former is that someone's consciousness is tried to their brain and it decreases as function of it does like what others mentioned here already. The god/afterlife thing is the worst in terms of complexity of its explanation.

 

[Lextyle]

Still scary to think about before the time comes, that's the issue. Hopefully with age and/or my life getting shitty enough the fear will be overridden enough eventually.


Nobody truly knows until they experience it themselves but I think Occam's Razor applies very well here, eternal nothingness is by far the most simple explanation so therefore the most likely by a long margin. Reincarnation requires some sort of essence and/or universal consciousness in which someone's being is transported to another person after death so it's not as simple as that. All that needs to be proven for it to be likely with the former is that someone's consciousness is tried to their brain and it decreases as function of it does like what others mentioned here already. The god/afterlife thing is the worst in terms of complexity of its explanation.

1.5 years ago when i was at the worst point in my life and attempted suicide by diazepam overdose before the attempt i thought a lot about what might happen after death, maybe my consciousness is creating the brain and not otherwise or something (it has led to huge dissociation which was terrible). But then i thought about this logic
We will die at some point in our lives anyway
If something is unescapable then we should not fear it (because the point of fear is to change your actions to escape from something)
We don't know if the way we lived or died affects what happens after death
So i will just give it a try and see what happens
reminds me of lines from some song "What if life comes after death? Grab my knife find out myself"

 

[inpainnosleep]

I also spend a lot of time thinking about this. Ironically I really got into astrology and the after life shortly before my neurological issues which don't allow me to sleep started. I spend a lot of time looking at what mediums say about people who ctb, what astrologists say about people who commit Ctb, what different religions say. I read a lot about near death experiences. It is frightening. But my issues literally don't let me sleep, on top of other issues, and this has made my already fragile mental state terrible. I learned how to read an astrology chart a little less then a year ago. Astrologically I can see exactly why what is happening is happening. I wish I learned how to read it before I made some mistakes with my medications and restarting THC. I feel like doctors do have what can help me sleep but I know that they would never prescribe, and if I ask I would be labeled as a drug seeker. I thought my life was bad before my neurological issues, now I realize that it was actually pretty good.