Advice on CTB via N20 in place of N2. The calming and psychedlic nature of N20 I favor as more far more comforting,advice?and guide for first time nos

[Womps]

As the title states, say one cannot get a nitrous oxide tank but only a nitrous tank. could one achieve a N20 mixture via a mixing valve incorporating a small feed of oxygen in unison with the nitrous flow? Thank you!



Guide trying nos for first timers and brief experience mentions of N20

Boy o boy your gonna love it lmao, You grab a whipped cream charger/dispenser (always opt for the dispensers with a metal charger holder, the plastic ones are pieces of shit and have the potential to blow off under pressure. and these things are little rockets if you let that happen) and you grab N20 chargers, these can guaranteed be found at one of your local headshops/smokeshops (the shittier looking headshops are usually the ones guaranteed to have em lol). You place a charger in the holder and screw it onto the dispenser and youll heard a loud whish sound as the gas is transferred to the dispenser. from there you can place a balloon over the nozzle and depress the handle on the dispenser to fill the balloon. from there you just breathe in and out of the balloon while not taking any breaths of air and welcome to the beautiful wompy nos world. Although i do it in a more dangerous method which is putting a sock over the nozzle(so no metal will go flying into my mouth. The chargers sometimes get a little metal disk punched out of them by the valve that punctures it, and it can potentially enter the vessel and come flying out when you release pressure. although this is not something that will happen alot, its definitely something that has happened to me) and inhaling with my lips around the nozzle and holding it in. This allows you to crack another whippit into the dispenser while your holding your breath with the last hit in your lungs. this enables you to constantly feed nitrous into your lungs without the need for air. and your body doesnt panic because your breathing an inert gas, which tricks your lungs into thinking they have air in them so no panic. If you do it my way your likely to black out alot and if you get really really deep in nitrous youll have very very odd "simulation is glitching out and im experiencing an advanced conciousness right now" kinda thing. I have met very real entities in the depths of a nitrous binge, seen people that were long dead in my room, violent visions of a man in a white button up that ive precieved as the devil, beautiful and mystic light beings doing some kind of work on my body and brain, a devilish red light entity once sounded like a buzzard from the depths of hell as it tried to attack me in the void i was in, when i opened my eyes out of fright it was transported into my actual room, bouncing off of the walls a few times before dying out, inexplicable and very interesting things. also notable is you can have out of body visions from your point of view looking down on yourself, to where you can see details of the items on the floor around you as your lay in bed that are DEAD accurate. you get up and look at what you saw whilst out of body and its 110% correct down to every object when you could of possibly seen it, crazy shit man. Im done fucking senselessly rambling lmao

Its a great substance and very very peaceful unless your a filthy nos fiend like myself

 

[bov]

I'm under the impression you'd want an N tank instead of an N2O precisely because you'd want to eliminate oxygen from the equation. The more oxygen, the longer it takes to die.

 

[Womps]

Upon administering a constant flow of N20 youd be out in near identical time to a pure N2, I black out on whippits far too often i promise you its true lmao

 

[Cakes]

Going to reread this tomorrow when I'm more awake, thanks again :)

 

[bov]

Upon administering a constant flow of N20 youd be out in near identical time to a pure N2, I black out on whippits far too often i promise you its true lmao

But blacking out is different from dying, no?

 

[Womps]

But blacking out is different from dying, no?

Not at all, blacking out is your body responding to the loss of oxygen, enough time in a hypoxic state and your a gonner, your body needs sufficient amount of oxygen, not a slow drip of oxygen that N20 would provide

But im not certain my friend, thats why im seeking someone far smarter than me in the forums to lend a hand, I have no doubt i would ctb but the logistics of all of this i am just unaware of

 

[bov]

Yeah, the big troubling ambiguity with this method is that I keep reading "this is not for gestures, this is lethal and fast" but I also read "instructions must be followed to the letter" and a lot of hand-wringing about failed attempts, brain damage, etc. Which is it, you know?

 

[Steve Vermont]

I have wondered about this myself. I recall back in the day the story of someone who died by suffocating themselves with too much nitrous.

 

[Womps]

Yeah, the big troubling ambiguity with this method is that I keep reading "this is not for gestures, this is lethal and fast" but I also read "instructions must be followed to the letter" and a lot of hand-wringing about failed attempts, brain damage, etc. Which is it, you know?

I believe aslong as your head would be in a the proper bag, and not draw too tight to your neck (you need somewhere for excess nitrous and your exhaled breath to escape from, the number one goal is to maintain a positive pressure inside of the bag at all times by constantly feeding nitrous into it, but not so much positive pressure that the bag pops or rips(Hence the flow rate of only 15l per minute), this will ruin the positive pressure environment. So it SOUNDS like hard to follow and difficult instructions, but in reality you tape a tube to the inside of the bag, you put it over your head and tighten around the neck appropriately tight/loose for gas to exit. Its not difficult, The brain damage would be very likely if you were to try this standing up, sitting upright, and one were to fall and open the bag or break the bag, aslong as your laying down and followed the simple steps i dont see the implications in the method at all.

Edit: a scuba mask would be the ultimate foolproof approach to ctb via inert gas though, it is going to be my method in place of a bag without a doubt. For this all you need is to set the exhaust correctly and strap the fucker on

Edit: " nitrous oxide is manufactured by heating ammonia nitrate which decomposes into N2O and water vapor" so the mixing wont be possible. guess ill just have to find a nitrous oxide source somewhere near me, anyone have tips on where to procure tanks of N20?

 

[BooGirl]

N20 sounds like it would give you massive amounts of free radicals

 

[Womps]

N20 sounds like it would give you massive amounts of free radicals

Nitric oxide is a free radical according to wikipedia... can you simplify what this means ? I see it can damage cells, proteins, and DNA by altering their chemical structure. But im not here seeking N20 for health benefits, quite the opposite.

I will say my brain has certianly taken damage due to excess abuse of this gas. I believe it to be a catalyst to my diagnosis of schizoaffective.

 

[Aap]

It is used as an adjunct anesthetic gas in many surgeries.

OP, if you have a tank, it would function similar to inert gas, though getting a medical tank would be extremely difficult. Given How fast consciousness is lost during a zero oxygen environment (and that nitrous oxide can trigger vomiting), a much better approach would be to get a tank of N2, get everything going (bag on forehead), use your whippets, pull bag down over head after the nitrous kicks in. There will be zero difference in effect, and one is much more easily achieved.

 

[Meditation guide]

As the title states, say one cannot get a nitrous oxide tank but only a nitrous tank. could one achieve a N20 mixture via a mixing valve incorporating a small feed of oxygen in unison with the nitrous flow? Thank you!



Guide trying nos for first timers and brief experience mentions of N20

Boy o boy your gonna love it lmao, You grab a whipped cream charger/dispenser (always opt for the dispensers with a metal charger holder, the plastic ones are pieces of shit and have the potential to blow off under pressure. and these things are little rockets if you let that happen) and you grab N20 chargers, these can guaranteed be found at one of your local headshops/smokeshops (the shittier looking headshops are usually the ones guaranteed to have em lol). You place a charger in the holder and screw it onto the dispenser and youll heard a loud whish sound as the gas is transferred to the dispenser. from there you can place a balloon over the nozzle and depress the handle on the dispenser to fill the balloon. from there you just breathe in and out of the balloon while not taking any breaths of air and welcome to the beautiful wompy nos world. Although i do it in a more dangerous method which is putting a sock over the nozzle(so no metal will go flying into my mouth. The chargers sometimes get a little metal disk punched out of them by the valve that punctures it, and it can potentially enter the vessel and come flying out when you release pressure. although this is not something that will happen alot, its definitely something that has happened to me) and inhaling with my lips around the nozzle and holding it in. This allows you to crack another whippit into the dispenser while your holding your breath with the last hit in your lungs. this enables you to constantly feed nitrous into your lungs without the need for air. and your body doesnt panic because your breathing an inert gas, which tricks your lungs into thinking they have air in them so no panic. If you do it my way your likely to black out alot and if you get really really deep in nitrous youll have very very odd "simulation is glitching out and im experiencing an advanced conciousness right now" kinda thing. I have met very real entities in the depths of a nitrous binge, seen people that were long dead in my room, violent visions of a man in a white button up that ive precieved as the devil, beautiful and mystic light beings doing some kind of work on my body and brain, a devilish red light entity once sounded like a buzzard from the depths of hell as it tried to attack me in the void i was in, when i opened my eyes out of fright it was transported into my actual room, bouncing off of the walls a few times before dying out, inexplicable and very interesting things. also notable is you can have out of body visions from your point of view looking down on yourself, to where you can see details of the items on the floor around you as your lay in bed that are DEAD accurate. you get up and look at what you saw whilst out of body and its 110% correct down to every object when you could of possibly seen it, crazy shit man. Im done fucking senselessly rambling lmao

Its a great substance and very very peaceful unless your a filthy nos fiend like myself

You could take some Viagra or Cialis if you want to increase your Nitric Oxide.

Nitric Oxide (NO) is NOT the same as Nitrous Oxide (N2O). Nitric Oxide is one molecule of nitrogen, one of oxygen. Nitrous Oxide has 2 molecules of nitrogen, and one of oxygen. And that extra molecule of nitrogen changes the gas completely. Nitrous Oxide (N2O) has been getting some press recently, since Demi Moore was hospitalized for inhaling canned Nitrous Oxide (in a form called "whippets") and having a seizure. Nitrous oxide is used in aerosol cans, to propel whipped cream or cooking spray out of the bottle. Nitrous Oxide (N20) is what they give you at the dentist's office....also called "laughing gas." I almost blacked out on it one time when the lady at the dentist's office turned it on all the way for about 15 minutes. It's powerful stuff.

 

[BooGirl]

Nitric oxide is a free radical according to wikipedia... can you simplify what this means ? I see it can damage cells, proteins, and DNA by altering their chemical structure. But im not here seeking N20 for health benefits, quite the opposite.

Ah, sorry, just a stupid joke. Basically, N20 as opposed to N2O sounds like 20 Nitrogen atoms in one molecule, which would be massively unstable. That would result in free radicals, causing cancer.

Sorry, it was a lot funnier in my head

 

[Womps]

It is used as an adjunct anesthetic gas in many surgeries.

OP, if you have a tank, it would function similar to inert gas, though getting a medical tank would be extremely difficult. Given How fast consciousness is lost during a zero oxygen environment (and that nitrous oxide can trigger vomiting), a much better approach would be to get a tank of N2, get everything going (bag on forehead), use your whippets, pull bag down over head after the nitrous kicks in. There will be zero difference in effect, and one is much more easily achieved.

I used to have some friends that would bring tanks of the shit to partys though, id imagine there to be a simpler method of getting it..

You could take some Viagra of Cialis if you want to increase your Nitric Oxide.

Nitric Oxide (NO) is NOT the same as Nitrous Oxide (N2O). Nitric Oxide is one molecule of nitrogen, one of oxygen. Nitrous Oxide has 2 molecules of nitrogen, and one of oxygen. And that extra molecule of nitrogen changes the gas completely. Nitrous Oxide (N2O) has been getting some press recently, since Demi Moore was hospitalized for inhaling canned Nitrous Oxide (in a form called "whippets") and having a seizure. Nitrous oxide is used in aerosol cans, to propel whipped cream or cooking spray out of the bottle. Nitrous Oxide (N20) is what they give you at the dentist's office....also called "laughing gas." I almost blacked out on it one time when the lady at the dentist's office turned it on all the way for about 15 minutes. It's powerful stuff.

Nitric oxide was my mistake i meant nitrogen oxide pardon me. And I know what nitrous oxide is, frankly too much. I have used thousands and thousands of whippets, used to have a case of 600 delivered to my door weekly for multiple months at a time. Its the whole reason id like to use this gas in particular. I enjoy the psychedelic aspects of N20 in particular. I am aware of the fishing out, its a very common thing to happen. Most everybody seizes(the term is fishing out) when going too deep in nos. Im not worried about this implicating my ctb as i will be wearing a scuba mask

 

[Crumbledank]

As the title states, say one cannot get a nitrous oxide tank but only a nitrous tank. could one achieve a N20 mixture via a mixing valve incorporating a small feed of oxygen in unison with the nitrous flow? Thank you!



Guide trying nos for first timers and brief experience mentions of N20

Boy o boy your gonna love it lmao, You grab a whipped cream charger/dispenser (always opt for the dispensers with a metal charger holder, the plastic ones are pieces of shit and have the potential to blow off under pressure. and these things are little rockets if you let that happen) and you grab N20 chargers, these can guaranteed be found at one of your local headshops/smokeshops (the shittier looking headshops are usually the ones guaranteed to have em lol). You place a charger in the holder and screw it onto the dispenser and youll heard a loud whish sound as the gas is transferred to the dispenser. from there you can place a balloon over the nozzle and depress the handle on the dispenser to fill the balloon. from there you just breathe in and out of the balloon while not taking any breaths of air and welcome to the beautiful wompy nos world. Although i do it in a more dangerous method which is putting a sock over the nozzle(so no metal will go flying into my mouth. The chargers sometimes get a little metal disk punched out of them by the valve that punctures it, and it can potentially enter the vessel and come flying out when you release pressure. although this is not something that will happen alot, its definitely something that has happened to me) and inhaling with my lips around the nozzle and holding it in. This allows you to crack another whippit into the dispenser while your holding your breath with the last hit in your lungs. this enables you to constantly feed nitrous into your lungs without the need for air. and your body doesnt panic because your breathing an inert gas, which tricks your lungs into thinking they have air in them so no panic. If you do it my way your likely to black out alot and if you get really really deep in nitrous youll have very very odd "simulation is glitching out and im experiencing an advanced conciousness right now" kinda thing. I have met very real entities in the depths of a nitrous binge, seen people that were long dead in my room, violent visions of a man in a white button up that ive precieved as the devil, beautiful and mystic light beings doing some kind of work on my body and brain, a devilish red light entity once sounded like a buzzard from the depths of hell as it tried to attack me in the void i was in, when i opened my eyes out of fright it was transported into my actual room, bouncing off of the walls a few times before dying out, inexplicable and very interesting things. also notable is you can have out of body visions from your point of view looking down on yourself, to where you can see details of the items on the floor around you as your lay in bed that are DEAD accurate. you get up and look at what you saw whilst out of body and its 110% correct down to every object when you could of possibly seen it, crazy shit man. Im done fucking senselessly rambling lmao

Its a great substance and very very peaceful unless your a filthy nos fiend like myself

Nitrous oxide is a molecule. You can't make it by mixing nitrogen gas with oxygen gas — you would just end up with nitrogen molecules mixed with oxygen molecules.

 

[Meditation guide]

Most everybody seizes(the term is fishing out) when going too deep in nos. Im not worried about this implicating my ctb as i will be wearing a scuba mask

I had it full blast at a dentists office for 15 minutes and started seeing black spots with my eyes closed.
I didn't feel high at all from it but I don't react to things like others do. But I think I would have lost consciousness if I had
kept that mask on my face.

If you've used it that much it doesn't sound like you can OD on it.

 

[Womps]

Nitrous oxide is a molecule. You can't make it by mixing nitrogen gas with oxygen gas — you would just end up with nitrogen molecules mixed with oxygen molecules.

Yes i have revised that on one of my comments above, thank you for the input though! i tend to be a moron very often lol

I had it full blast at a dentists office for 15 minutes and started seeing black spots with my eyes closed.
I didn't feel high at all from it but I don't react to things like others do. But I think I would have lost consciousness if I had
kept that mask on my face.

If you've used it that much it doesn't sound like you can OD on it.

I cease intake as i pass out, you could say you cannot "OD" on any inert gas in that situation. Its when the intake is continuous even after youve passed out that eventually kills you.

 

[Meditation guide]

I cease intake as i pass out, you could say you cannot "OD" on any inert gas in that situation. Its when the intake is continuous even after youve passed out that eventually kills you.

Have you had any siezures from it? It had to have been mixed with enough oxygen to keep me alive.

 

[Womps]

Have you had any siezures from it? It had to have been mixed with enough oxygen to keep me alive.

You are correct! Its the anesthesiologists job to monitor your vitals and respond with the correct mixture of oxygen and nitrous to keep you under

Also it seems potentially people arent built for it, some people will experience what is refered to in the nos terms as "fishing out". where they experience seizure like movements, i dont know the science they may be seizures but thery usually last under like 40 seconds and dont reflect the violent large movements and flailing, biting of tongue etc. personally i dont think i have ever seized(i wouldnt know because i would be blacked out) but i always came to in the same exact location and posistion everytime.

 

[Aap]

They aren't seizures. Just to clarify, nitrous oxide is an nmda receptor antagonist (like ketamine and phyencyclidine) that is used in dental, surgical, or emergency medical practice due to its anxiolytic and analgesic effects. For some surgery, it is used as an adjunct anesthetic gas for its pain relieving properties but can't be used alone, as the amount needed to obtain full anesthesia is higher than 80% (I believe the MAC is around 103 or 104%).

There is a good deal of bad information in the thread, but, OP, I'll summarize again. There is not really any benefit to using it over inert gas, won't be distinguishable from what I suggested earlier, but the method will work.

 

[Womps]

Edit, fuck this i guess ill do a DMT IV and just

They aren't seizures. Just to clarify, nitrous oxide is an nmda receptor antagonist (like ketamine and phyencyclidine) that is used in dental, surgical, or emergency medical practice due to its anxiolytic and analgesic effects. For some surgery, it is used as an adjunct anesthetic gas for its pain relieving properties but can't be used alone, as the amount needed to obtain full anesthesia is higher than 80% (I believe the MAC is around 103 or 104%).

There is a good deal of bad information in the thread, but, OP, I'll summarize again. There is not really any benefit to using it over inert gas, won't be distinguishable from what I suggested earlier, but the method will work.

I thank you for your very useful information, I appreciate you, should i just delete this post for its wealth of uneducated blabberings?

 

[Aap]

No keep it. I was just trying to provide a few facts. The question of nitrous comes up from time to time. It's an important distinction, as most posters just want to fill a bag with nitrous and seal that on their head.

 

[bov]

No keep it. I was just trying to provide a few facts. The question of nitrous comes up from time to time. It's an important distinction, as most posters just want to fill a bag with nitrous and seal that on their head.

Aap, do you feel comfortable disclosing whether you have a medical background? Just curious; your comments are always so informed.

 

[Womps]

Aap, do you feel comfortable disclosing whether you have a medical background? Just curious; your comments are always so informed.

I second this, very knowledgeable fella

 

[bov]

I second this, very knowledgeable fella

Or woman

 

[Aap]

I don't discuss my background here for a variety of reasons. If you want, just assume I didn't finish high school. I will say that most of the threads I comment in are regarding a handful of topics, and I don't comment on things of which I'm unfamiliar. Given how final everything is, you should verify anything everyone says here.

 

[mandyjohnuk]

I have just purchased a 1 Ltr tank if N20. A bit expensive but will last a good while. The talk of seizures has got me worried though.

 

[Morrigan]

I'm considering this method, using a Suicide bag set up, and a small cream charger and cracker. I tried it once before but unfortunately someone walked in on me just as I was about to pass out from it.
I won't be interrupted this time but want to check that my idea will work as this is really the only inert gas I can get my hands on. Anyone have any input that might be helpful to make this successful? TIA