Even though it will probably be awhile before I ctb, this just makes me want to buy it now before it becomes harder to find. Also I find it funny that people think putting a ban on this item will help anything. If someone really wants to die they will find a way regardless. How about putting that energy into advocating for better mental health care services or something? No one seems to care as much when these people are struggling before they finally commit the act.
Exactly! excellent point...taking SN away would just force people to find other methods as you indicated, which would be likely more painful and create more suffering when they catch the bus.
If they really wanted to help, they would have offered real support at the very least...Yet they don't...
It's almost like they're wanting to limit methods to just make themselves feel better momentarily, not because they actually care?!?
My question for those people is...
if you 'care' so much, what are you actually doing about it?
What are you actually doing that makes a real difference for the very people like us who are tired of suffering?
Beyond a bunch of pro-life preaching That doesn't actually help any of us in real life?!
It seems for many (not all) people on here, if they just had real support, real people that are actually there (for free) for them, real safety nets in poverty struggles, and if people actually asked them what they need to possibly feel better, they might not be as suicidal in the first place. Possibly.
Pro lifers need to stop blaming the victim, and
also need to stop this nonsense of 'just get help', etc.
the so-called help out there with counseling, shrinks, rarely works for most people. It's an illusion of 'help' for many.
When I could no longer afford any counseling, my counselor could care less when I didn't have the money.
The counseling didn't even really help, all these people have told me over the years is...
"have you tried deep breathing or meditation? Have you tried journaling?"
Oh yeah, that'll definitely completely turn things around for me, **sarcasm**,
Ohhh... Umm, SURE... if I just "journal and breathe differently", I will suddenly no longer be in physical pain, or suffer from having almost no family, and my PTSD will just magically disappear if I just "journal and meditate"?
Do we really have to pay money for people to pretend to ''care"???
So that's "getting help"?!?
Counselors and shrinks are a Complete waste of my time my entire life, and I gave them a chance.
They are just human beings that take your money in exchange for asking stupid questions and use idiotic theories that don't even work in REALITY.
I really did try everything they said even though I thought it was an unintelligent approach, I tried all levels of counselors, shrinks, medications, everything. Even when I disagreed internally, years ago I still tried to follow whatever formula they suggested.
Absolutely nothing ever worked. Nothing. None of their little ideas or approaches even put a dent in it. I also have a university degree in Psychology. It's a subject of science constantly fluctuates and is based merely on opinions. It's a fallacy and an illusion.
also, in many countries, and especially the United States, there are almost NO resources, very few support groups, and the United States government that has the authority, power, and plenty of money, could care less. They COULD do something to help but they DON'T.
Other people on a personal level COULD HELP but they DON'T. Why is that?
Is it all about money? Or If helping a suicidal person is a downer for you or interrupts your lifestyle or your lunch plans, should you really be preaching from your easy armchair? If it weren't for so many heartless people, I certainly wouldn't be as depressed.
What about just doing what's right? Or does that just not exist anymore?
There is greed out of control everywhere. The majority of the population can barely pay their rent. There are no controls in place. Violence is skyrocketing, homelessness, pressures are skyrocketing, and the people in power do absolutely nothing. Hey, All they know is they're doing just fine, so they don't even think about it. If I had their jobs for even one day, regardless of the system in place, I'd be doing everything I can to make the world a better place in any way I could. What's even more terrifying is that more and more, people have no conscience, people are cruel and rude and disrespectful to each other, and everything is unpredictable. It just feels like chaos to me, all I wanna do is hide it home, hopefully I can still make my rent to have a home tired and to have peace and,
to not feel surrounded by darkness and cruelty everywhere around me.
Basic safety, food, basic shelter, and feeling of peace should be minimum human rights for everyone. YET everybody is told "you're on your own", or "that's your problem", or "just go get counseling", and almost nobody wants to invest even a molecule of their time to help beyond a mere phrase, etc.
And you wonder why people are suicidal or depressed?!?
Shrinks or counseling certainly cannot replace our basic needs not being met.
I myself have helped many people throughout my lifetime. I've had people tell me I'm one of the nicest people I know, or one of the greatest friends they've ever had, etc. I myself have practiced what I hope for an ask for, YET 99% of people are never there for me in return, not even for small things.
Most people are selfish, and when you call on the hand they're playing, they usually fold and walk away, making EXCUSES not to make the effort to help you.
Most human beings only want a direct reciprocal benefit, they don't actually care. They don't necessarily value the person, they just value one of their needs are getting met. There are exceptions to this, but then again they are exceptional human beings with amazing souls inside. It's very difficult to find in this world.
For all the pro-lifers that preach from their easy chair but never actually help directly:
If a person is in despair, if they are exhausted, if they are at THEIR breaking point... you don't get to define what their breaking point 'should' be... Ask HOW you can help the suicidal person...
don't simply give them the lazy easy brief answer of "why don't you just go get help?"
The REAL question is...
WHY aren't YOU yourself helping?
If you really 'care' so much...
In fact, I'm so mad right now I'm going to just go ahead and post my own thread about this topic,
about pro lifers preaching…
