dw33ter

dw33ter

meow meow
Jan 23, 2023
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Does anyone feel like their reason for ctb isn't "right" or perhaps not as valid?

I technically have a pretty good life. A college education that will put me in a position for decent jobs, A family that loves me. Friends that care for me.

Yet, I feel depressed and suicidal, and those feelings are heightened whenever I hear about my peers snagging really great jobs, having a great overseas education, relationships with significant others. I know that what I have is pretty good, and I should be grateful for that, and I really am. But while I am grateful, I'm not happy. This isn't how I want my life to turn out, even though it's not horrible by any means. But I know striving for more is difficult given my current mental health, and I am inclined to believe that this problem, which has plagued me for 3 years now, is likely going to be a permanent fixture in my life. And my answer to that is to give up and just catch the next bus – I don't want to play this bullshit game, I don't want to always be unhappy, I'd rather be dead.

But this makes me feel like a little kid throwing a tantrum because they can't have what they want. Sometimes I feel I should just suck it up and take it, and me wanting to ctb over my "first world problems" is disrespectful to the many people here that have had downright shitty, fucked up lives. (This isn't my only reason for wanting to ctb, but it's a really big one)

(Before you tell me comparison is the thief of joy, I am all too well aware of that. I am just unable to do anything about the comparisons that I make, they just come automatically when I see someone and what they've achieved)
 
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Georg

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Feb 25, 2023
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Does anyone feel like their reason for ctb isn't "right" or perhaps not as valid?
no, bc we are all gonna die anyway. I have no children and my family (basically my mother) sucks.
My life is not worth living for 50+ years or something. I am 36 y/o btw and not a teenager from reddit.
 
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AJwantsToGo

AJwantsToGo

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Feb 24, 2023
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I think there's no "right" reason to commut suicide. People just do, no matter their circumstance.
 
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Feb 21, 2023
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Look around a few threads around here and you will soon realize yours is not the first one, and probably will not be the last one, that approaches the exact same question.

I technically have a pretty good life. A college education that will put me in a position for decent jobs, A family that loves me. Friends that care for me.
And even shares similarities with this you just said.

I don't know what you did throughout your life or even if you did something to first address this issues, however, if you don't really want to CTB, but actually just want that to stop, I would start by trying to experiment with therapy first. There are a lot of bad mental health professionals out there, and sometimes one type of therapy does not work for a person as it works with the next one, so chances are, you might be faced with failure in trying to fix your issues the first times you try.

You didn't ask for my opinion, and certainly don't see an inch of asking for advice, however, all I can see from the tone of your post is someone frustrated about what others have that you don't have, and probably that takes a great influence on how you feel. Essentially, if you learn how to deal and control your frustration, perhaps that will have a major impact on the way you feel right now. But I could be wrong.

In the end, there is no right reason for wanting to CTB, just reasons.
 
TAW122

TAW122

Emissary of the right to die.
Aug 30, 2018
6,852
Perhaps when I was younger and naive, I may have doubted my reasons (oftenly personal and less philosophical) for wanting to CTB. However, after I've grown older and after learning about the right to die, voluntary euthanasia, and similar topics in my early adulthood, I have arrived at the conclusion that there is no "right" or "wrong" reason to CTB. All reasons (or lack thereof) to CTB is valid and subjective to the individual.
 
VioletNight

VioletNight

Student
Jan 24, 2023
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I personally think that anybody feeling suicidal is valid in their feelings. Like any other thoughts or feelings it's not something we have complete control over, so please don't feel bad about your reasons.
If you want to avoid these thoughts or get rid of them you might do well in therapy or talking to a doctor about it if you feel comfortable. Hope things can get better for you!
 
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henikova

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Dec 19, 2022
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I consider these factors to decide whether there is a objective reason to ctb.

- age
- physical and mental health (ability to perform daily activities without significant physical or emotional pain or discomfort)
- financial situation and reasonable expectations
- security and environmental factors ( e.g. the safety level of one's environment, considering crime, war, natural disasters )
- scale of social connections
- intimate relationship ( and dependant people )
 
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WorthlessTrash

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Apr 19, 2022
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The questions I ask myself to determine if my reason for wanting to CTB are as follows:
1. Can my situation be improved to the point where I am genuinely happy with the results, and not merely coping?
2. Can I cope with the present situation and still experience genuine happiness?
3. How often does it bother me seeing those living the life I want to live, but can't?

I've asked myself these three questions quite a few times, and every time, the answers point to CTBing being my better option, so I personally see my situation as a valid reason to CTB.
 
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Worndown

Worndown

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Mar 21, 2019
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Everyone has their reason. That should be enough.
The only variables are if someone has made use of any available resources. Hopeless situations can sometimes be turned around.
 
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Mjay

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Feb 22, 2023
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In this situation, there is no moral right or wrong—at least, not in my opinion; every explanation has some validity, and suicidal thoughts should be acknowledged fully regardless of motivation. It also depends on your religious beliefs; if you have a strong sense of religion, then sure, it's wrong. If you choose to view it from that perspective, it is ultimately up to you to determine whether you find it to be moral or immoral. We may feel suicidal for any reason, so saying that it "feels" wrong may just be something that is within you in your case, so I suggest that you keep going. Your thoughts on CTB look okay; they're self-explanatory in their own ways.

In all honesty, you're comparing yourself to your peers, which is the last thing you want to do. You mention that you are aware of it, which is good to know. I hope you can find a method to suppress those tendencies. In my opinion, comparing is a perfectly normal and healthy thing to do. Just to put it out there in terms of self-comparisons: You're comparing yourself to others, but you're only comparing a few of your flaws to their strengths; that took some time if we were in their shoes, but people have probably compared themselves to you in any way because you have your own strengths. We are all gifted with something; we learn at different rates, and none of us go through the same experiences, so it's difficult to say that your comparisons help if you are only comparing in those senses.

Something develops over time. If you've seen enough people who appear to be happy on the outside ultimately fall apart, you'll understand that nobody ever has everything sorted out and that you are not alone. As we are all prone to destruction in all ways and at all times, try realizing how your comparison-seeking has damaged you, especially when it seems that you are unhappy with yourself.

In other words, the statement "Do not compare yourself to others" is typically taken in a context that applies to you, so it may be understood differently in each case. Someone may say to you, "Do not compare yourself," because it seems to have some sort of negative impact. In general, it's good for you to continue to use the concept of "comparing," but the main problem arises when it comes to mental health and spiraling down the wrong hole. Instead, use it as a tool for self-help and self-realization, despite the fact that comparisons may increase your competitiveness and help you perform better. You can always change your life to how you actually want it to be; it might take some time, but it is possible. Although it's hard to reconsider, are you saying that striving for change has zero possibilities? The possibilities of such an occurrence can never be zero, so please do not be 100 percent positive in regards to your claim: You mentioned that this has been an issue for you for three years, so this type of thinking is routine. Thoughts can become somewhat programmed with time. It is reversible, but using words such as "likely" and "believing" doesn't mean much either; you need to be certain.

What people fail to mention is how to reverse that force: by comparing myself to you, I (you in that scenario) can eventually understand myself (yourself) better, and you can as well. If you pay for your judgments and thoughts, while you're doing those comparisons.

There is not a quick solution to this; it depends on you and your effort and will for change. That will require work and practice. You are conscious of it happening, though. So that's great, but if you decide not to make any changes to this behavior, then these problems may persist for a while longer. But if you can't, could it be an issue with your self-esteem? Seeing others makes you feel like you're not as good as them. Not sure.. If you're unhappy, there's a minor chance that you might feel as though you're missing something—it could be one item or it could be numerous things.

Are you struggling with anything in particular at the moment? Connections missing? traumas, etc. You can respond to this on your own initiative and give it some thought, which I'm sure you have, but re-consider it as a whole. Whatever it is that caused you to think that way, I am truly sorry for it and wish nothing but the best for you.

But now that you're speculating, perhaps it is sad to see how things will turn out, since we can never see into the future. I'm thrilled you understand that there are not many options accessible to you in your eyes and that CTB may be one of the only actions, that aiming for more is challenging due to your mental health, that there are fleeting emotions of dissatisfaction, and that it's quite acceptable to be experiencing them. I, on the other hand, take a different approach, but does that make me dislike you or disgusted by your thoughts? No, not at all.

Although it may be frustrating to you and you don't want to "play this bullshit game anymore," it is totally understandable why you might feel that way and would prefer to die peacefully. However, there is no right or wrong in this situation; rather, you could say that it depends entirely on the individual, and so it is true that you may feel that others' lives are as messed up as yours, but someone else may feel the same about you in that regard; we're all unique, so we therefore have different abilities with things like these and the amount of pain one can hold. It's unfortunate that you have to face this; as this world truly does nothing and some of us have to suffer as a result, it's true that we will never have some things we truly desire, but I suppose that's part of it.

But you believe that your motivation for contemplating suicide is immoral? You're doing it for yourself, not for the other suicides. I highly doubt that it is something offensive in the first place, especially in this community where we're all here to understand your pain, but is there another reason as to why you think it's immoral besides that? Because maybe you view the whole thing as immoral yourself? since change is possible in that regard, just a thought, but by no means am I here to say anything to persuade your opinion; whatever you do is in your hands.

It's difficult to look at other people's joy and not feel the same way. You mentioned that you could "suck it up" and wait for the situation to resolve itself, but since you've said that you frequently make quick comparisons, it's difficult to say whether that will work. We're still prone to making comparisons; it's not something that can fully go away. It's rather how much we are able to balance those feelings. Only time will tell. What you do is in your hands. It is quite unfortunate that we live in such a cruel environment and that there are so few things keeping us from taking our own lives.
 
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SamTam33

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Oct 9, 2022
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I say the same thing each time: no one has to present good reasons for procreation so the reasons for wanting to die need not meet any particular criteria.

You don't need a good reason to leave an event. Maybe you're just not feeling it.

Life is nothing more than an event. A gathering. And we can leave for any reason or no reason at all.
 
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dw33ter

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Jan 23, 2023
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Thanks to everyone who replied and shared their thoughts, and especially to @Mjay and @FlameWhisperer for taking the time to write thoughtful replies regarding my specific situation. Though I didn't ask for advice, I really appreciated what you guys had to say.

I do go for therapy, and I have spoken about this with my therapist previously with a varying level of success, mainly because I'm quite shit at figuring out how I feel and expressing why I feel that way. Reading your advice and how you framed things helped me reflect and figure things out a little.

Comparing myself to others has been a habit I've always had, and it worked well for me for quite a while. It's one of the parts of me that has gotten me as far as I have. As you brought up, it was mainly a method of pushing myself to accomplish more and do better, and I used my peer's current levels as a way of benchmarking myself against them. For a long time my self worth has also been tied to how well I'm doing. So when depression (and anxiety) started kicking my ass a few years back, I became unable to perform at the level that (1) I used to be able to, (2) I expected of myself, (3) matched my peers. And that made me (1) fall behind and (2) miss out on a lot of enjoyable formative experiences. I did say I have friends who care about me. But I only have 2, and they were from high school. I've barely been able to interact with others or network for the past few years, and I know it's my fault. I have been barely functioning.

Logically I know that I was going through a rough time and it's unfair to expect myself to have been able to accomplish stuff. But I'm still bitter at what I missed out / what depression has taken away from me. I know it shouldn't affect my self worth, and I don't know if I necessarily think less of myself because of it, though it is possible that I do. I know having my self worth tied so closely to how well I think I'm doing is fucked up – I've been aware of this for quite some time, but I can't figure out how to separate the two, and I find it difficult to find anything innately of worth at all.

I am aware that change is possible – I have been taking steps as of late, and have managed to do some things that I should be proud of, and I guess I am. To me, the problems are (1) this takes a lot of effort, and I am tired, (2) I don't even know whether I'm working towards the right things that will make me happy / make my life better, or whether those things necessarily exist. It doesn't help that the little things I do are nothing compared to what others are achieving, which is demoralising. Well, that's my habit of comparison kicking in again, oops.

I'll probably try to address what I've reflected on / read from y'all with my therapist, though I admit my patience is running thin with attempting recovery. If this continues to persist, I'll most likely throw in the towel within the next year. The consensus that there doesn't need to be a right reason was comforting. Do feel free to reply with any advice / outside perspectives, maybe I might learn something.
 
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Mthom2

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Oct 19, 2020
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There are no right or wrong reasons to ctb. No one can dictate your life or death, and anyone who attempts to invalidate your decision is way overstepping into your personal choice.

Life itself is a valid reason to bow out.
 
FlameWhisperer

FlameWhisperer

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Feb 21, 2023
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Do feel free to reply with any advice / outside perspectives, maybe I might learn something.
Since this time you are giving me a green card into further diving in advice, this time I will deep dive in it.

Before you go down and read the massive information I will leave you, please take everything with a grain of salt. This is merely my own perception of things, given the information you provided me with. There is a lot of unknown variables for me to be able to be more specific, and therefore I may lack good advice, and end up causing a mess, which is not my intention.

I would also like to warn you that my wording may, at times, seem like I am stating things as if I believe they are facts, but that is not the case, as it is merely my opinion based on what I can see, and not only that, if my wording is seen as inappropriate or maybe even make you feel discomfort, I ask that you think about yourself and protect yourself first, by not proceeding in reading it, and if necessary, inform me so I can delete the post and don't add up to your problems. Then again, I am fully aware you may end up reading regardless and on that, unfortunately, there isn't much I can do about it... I hope that you can choose what is best for you, or what you deem is the best for you.

Though I didn't ask for advice, I really appreciated what you guys had to say.

You are very much welcome and, I must say, I was unsure if I wanted to answer the way I did, as I did not want to sound like I was meddling in your affairs, much less attempting anything close to "oh no, let me try to save this person's life". I firmly believe that, no matter the reasons people have, or how much I can think they are being impulsive/not thinking things through a lot because of their present mental state, I have no business invalidating them, much less try to make them change their minds. I appreciate you did not take my interaction the wrong way.

Comparing myself to others has been a habit I've always had, and it worked well for me for quite a while

I am stating the obvious here - you already know that as well from what I read afterwards - but I suppose I will reiterate that it is a bad habit particularly for the reasons you yourself stated; it exists for the good and the bad. While you manage to accomplish things using this method, once you start comparing yourself to others that have much more ideal settings in their life and, therefore, accomplish things that you might consider bigger, you are doomed to have your mental foundations collapsing and ending up... Well, exactly where you are, indeed.

I've barely been able to interact with others or network for the past few years, and I know it's my fault. I have been barely functioning.

This is going to sound rather stupid, and even obvious but... Sometimes the obvious is all there is. Giving you have this degree of self-awareness on this, you probably also know that the only way you can change that is reconnecting with people and/or make new connections. The particularities in how this is done will solely depend on yourself, your personality, and something else outside of your control, which is others reactions to this. If these friends of yours are distant from yourself due to your own actions, reconnecting with them may prove difficult in the eventuality that this distancing happened in a not-so-ideal way, or in a negative way (example: you pushing them away by hurting them, no matter the method). However, if you believe - since you are yourself you will most certainly know more about this than any of us here - that it is possible to reconnect, perhaps you can start now.

As for new connections, if you choose this way, it may prove difficult as that requires the possibility of connection to be highly probable, which is a bad setting, as it either requires you using technological tools that are created with this purpose (a.k.a. apps that are created with the sole purpose of people establishing relationships with others and getting to know others) or social concepts/events that, although not exactly created with this purpose, are also widely used for this (a.k.a. nightclubs, bars, parties in general).

I personally would not recommend the latter, as the risk of increasing your distress is very high. When one searches for connections purposely and intentionally, things tend to get a bit awkward and unnatural in the way we interact with others, while when they happen naturally, it usually tends to work out better. Reconnection holds a variable this doesn't: the fact that there was a previous connection already, and therefore, the other people will know you enough to decide to put effort into it, and will also not feel unnatural and weird.

Regardless, it is very important that you take your own time to do this, given you admit you have not been properly functional. The mere fact that you aren't/weren't may lead to this looking like a big challenge instead of a simple thing like texting people. And that is ok and to be expected. Carefully manage your expectations here by reminding yourself of the person you used to be, and the person you end up being due to the consequences that led to your depression and/or anxiety. Obviously, that will have an impact on how this will feel for you.

So when depression (and anxiety) started kicking my ass a few years back, I became unable to perform at the level that (1) I used to be able to, (2) I expected of myself,

This is where I believe things started for you. You had already set a specific type of expectations for yourself prior to entering a phase where depression and anxiety entered as a variable in your life. However, there was something that you lacked, which is understandable to anyone who actually knows what depression and anxiety brings as a consequence to people. I will divide my thoughts into two categories when addressing these words of yours.

First of all, I would like to note that depression and anxiety can blind the most brilliant mind (and by brilliant I really mean a very rational person, or an individual with a very emotional stable mind) in ways that are hard to describe or assess. Those two things are enough to separate us from the possibility of seeing things clearly and in a logical way, leading us to enter a negative type of mindset, where everything suddenly seems to be bad, negative, and usually we start targeting ourselves as the enemy (lack of self-esteem, feelings of worthlessness, among other things of similar kind). This is important to mention because I think it is important for you to know, if you don't already, that this alone may have influenced you on getting to where I will be stating next.

Second of all, as I said above, you had already set a specific type of expectations for yourself prior to entering a period of depression and anxiety. But you probably didn't change, adapt and/or adjust your expectations to accommodate your new found condition. When depressed or falling in a cycle of anxiety, it is psychologically expected that the individual will drop in performance. This can be seen in one, or several fields of the individual's life. School performance, work performance, relationships-wise (any kind of relationship, like romantic, family, friends, co workers, etc) performance. Since, if I am right, you did not adjust your expectations accounting for this new found reality, what happens next can be more or less exemplified by this, using a simple scale of 0-10 to measure expectation level:

The NOT depressed/anxious person's expectations: 10
Probability of turning expectation in reality: 80-100% (I am merely throwing numbers here for a more general idea)
Conclusion: highly probable positive outcome
Possible translation of this in a real life example: Studying for an exam, and setting the expectation of passing the exam. Passing the exam within expectations, given there was enough study to provide the positive result in that exam

The depressed/anxious person's expectations: 10
Probability of turning expectation in reality: 20-40% (I am merely throwing numbers here for a general idea)
Conclusion: highly probable negative outcome
Possible translation of this in a real life example: Issues studying due to lack of focus and increasing memory problems (depression/anxiety is shown and agreed by psychologists world wide to cause a lack of focus/decrease in memory retention and recall functions of the brain, which comes as a consequence of reduced brain activity that has been observed many times in the scanned brains of patients that presented depressive symptoms), therefore building frustration on the realization that the performance while study have changed, which in consequence, builds even more frustration and anxiety, leading to failing to pass the exam.

To sum this up in more simple terms:

Reasonable expectation set > Person enter a depressive/anxious period > Reasonable expectation becomes too high of expectation because of depression's/anxiety's consequences > Creation/build of frustration/extreme anger/extreme sadness/extreme feelings of worthlessness/extreme lack of self-esteem > Increase in depression/anxiety levels as a consequence of the build up of said feelings > Person is stuck in the loop of depression/anxiety > Person is unable to leave the loop, as the loop is fed constantly, and not broken

miss out on a lot of enjoyable formative experiences

This rings to me in the form of FOMO. FOMO, or Fear Of Missing Out. Unbelievably (or not) common on individuals that are either depressed, suffer from anxiety, both, and/or some other mental conditions that generate a depression/repression of the normally/standard levels of emotion. You may not like, or accept what I will be saying next on how to address this, but once again, it is merely an opinion being provided.

The way I see this problematic should be addressed it is simply the rational realization that what was missed in the past can never be retrieved. The realization that what is in the past is no long obtainable is one heavy burden to carry, and it is quite the bitter thing to think about, much less to swallow and accept as is. However, acceptance is necessary, and to accept this means to swallow the pill no matter how bad it tastes. In other words: 'I seriously hate that I missed this. Is there anything I can do to retrieve that which I missed? No. Then what can I do? Continue forward and enjoy the things that I am not missing. What I missed, is already missed, and therefore focusing on that will only add to my distress, consequently affecting the way I will enjoy the things that are happening right now, and therefore leading me to miss more things. Since I hate missing things, I must discard the past missed things, in order to protect the ones that I can presently enjoy and, consequently, end the horrific cycle of bitter taste I feel when I miss things."

I am fully aware the expression of "easy to say, hard to do" may apply here. This is the theory, but it takes a lot of mental exercise to turn this theory intro practice. How to do so? There is no magic powder to this, it is what it is, an exercise that must be done by the person, on their own minds, until it is no longer theory, but at last practice. I cannot, unfortunately, provide a guide on this, as every individual mind will work, thus, individually different, even if they share similarities.

this takes a lot of effort, and I am tired
This problematic is inherently tied to the second one you mentioned, therefore, my answer to this will also be provided while I address the other. Continue reading for further information, unless continuity in reading leads to what I stated at the beginning of my text.

don't even know whether I'm working towards the right things that will make me happy / make my life better, or whether those things necessarily exist.

Because you seem to be unable to provide an answer to this, and because you know this takes a lot of effort, not being sure or completely resolved on whether it is the right thing, or even if this thing - whatever it may be - is worth the effort, you being tired automatically makes this a hundred times worse. "I am so tired... I don't have a concise idea if this is worth it or not, therefore it is easier if I do not try at all, after all, I am tired already, there is no motivation for me to ignore this tiredness and keep pushing".

Humans are often shown to be beings that look for the easiest and fastest answer, no matter what problematic they are facing. It is just the way our brains seem to function. Right now, because there is no factor that serves as a motivator, the brain - that is naturally like this - and, on top of it all, is also depressed (intensifying the need to look for the easiest and fastest answer, without looking to be more rational, logical or even objective, courtesy of depression/anxiety) will conclude the fastest and easiest road is to not think at all, therefore, not putting any effort into it, which consequently also only adds to the depression loop already in existence. How to address this? You have to look at this "thing" that you do not know the value or if it is worth the effort.
Is this "thing" the right thing? I cannot say. "Right" and "wrong" being human concepts and all that fact implies, makes it so that what I, myself, might consider the right thing, may be also perceived as the bad thing in your own eyes, and vice-versa. Whether or not it is the right thing for you, however, will depend on what this "thing" is, in essence.

Nevertheless, the majority of things like this, that may or may not be what makes us happy, or that makes us question the value they hold to us, tend to be things that we only figure out after doing them/going through them. In other words, I am suggesting you to do something unbelievably difficult, specially to a depressive mind: trial and error.

As you live life, you have things you learn to hold dear, that in the future may lose their value. The same way, you will have relationships that start and finish, you may love, for example, computers, when you are a kid and think that you want to work as a computer technician, but in your teen years you realize what you REALLY like is to take care of other people's pets, and thus, become a veterinarian. What I am trying to imply with this is simply that, throughout our lives, and experiences, our tastes may change and, therefore, the "right thing" might as well change. There is not only one answer only, and even when we find that answer, the answer might also change within the next year. The best approach to this will, thus, be trial and error. You try, you like, it stays, until the next best thing you consider worth your time, and so on, so forth.

As for if those things exist, they definitely do, however, as I stated above, they might change their essence throughout your life, and with that, everything else that follows.

It doesn't help that the little things I do are nothing compared to what others are achieving, which is demoralising. Well, that's my habit of comparison kicking in again, oops.

What I stated above about how what I deem right might feel wrong to you and vice-versa, may as well be applied here. Your vision of what is "a big achievement" can also be what I call "nothing". This is merely a Self perception problematic. How to address it? This is tricky, because it is yet another mental exercise, with no magical answer to it. It is as simple as (easy to say, hard to do) changing the mindset. It may help to prevent/stop yourself as soon as you notice and become aware that you are about to compare yourself to others once again. Everytime you start doing it, you call yourself out by reminding yourself that you are fully aware this poses a problem and is not healthy for yourself. Doing so, gradually, and over time, established the new habit: the one where you no longer compare yourself like this with others.

You stated yourself, quite beautifully: it IS an habit. Psychology shows that, in average, it takes anywhere between 18 days to 254 days for the brain to develop a new habit. I find this quite curious and fascinating. If this is anywhere near the truth, then you having to fight an habit which, from my understanding, exists in you since forever, will require at maximum around 254 days of you preventing/stopping yourself from comparing to others. This can be anything like, whenever you start thinking like this, you push that thought away from yourself by distracting your mind with another task (hobbies, responsibilities, etc) or by you, yourself, calling yourself out, as I stated previously; something like reminding yourself in your mind how much you already know this is not healthy for you, and using logic against yourself to leave your Self with no arguments to fight back. An example: "I am me, they are them. I am my own person, I have my own experiences, and I have my own circumstances, which can differ from theirs, and so it is only natural that we may as well have differences in so many more things, and there is nothing wrong with that, and my achievements are equally valid as theirs are". Again, I know, easy to say, hard to do. In theory, this is it, in practice, it might take a while for you to be able to pull this out. Therapy is a nice tool to help you with this, if you do happen to have a good therapist, hopefully.

I'll probably try to address what I've reflected on / read from y'all with my therapist

I would honestly be flattered if you did, and I do think it is a good idea, providing they are a good therapist, they might provide much more insights, add things, remove things, etc - they are the professional after all.

though I admit my patience is running thin with attempting recovery.

This will solely depend on you, and any choice you decide to pursue will be always valid, as it is your own. I am, however, by everything you wrote, under the impression that you do not really want to CTB, but only seek and crave for a fast, efficient solution to your problematic.

On this, and once again, this is merely my opinion and suggestion, I will bluntly tell you: there is none that is quick and efficient. And it may prove useful or even helpful that you realize and accept this (swallow the pill, once again, no matter how bad it tastes). This kind of thing, although it is very possible to address, tend to take time, effort, a lot of feeling lost and wandering around, hitting your head against the walls (figuratively, hopefully) until you find whatever it is that end up being the answer you seek.

Lastly, I will reiterate: no matter what your choice ends up being, just know that it is valid no matter what, and there is no right or wrong answer, decision, path, etc.
 
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WeighAnchor

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Mar 1, 2023
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I can relate, I think I've had a pretty good life overall. I didn't have a troubled home life growing up. I never had a lot of friends but I did always have a few good friends. I've had very supportive parents throughout my whole life, who've done their best to help and understand. I have my own place to live thanks to them, despite that they're not well-off themselves. I know I'm lucky compared to many people I've known or talked to, and I too am grateful for these things.

I feel a bit guilty for having had such good circumstances, and for my life to still have turned out this way. Sure, I've had some things holding me back too, having been depressed for over a decade along with a handful of other disorders, but I feel like it's not really enough to justify where I'm at in life. If I look at how shitty some of my friends's lives have been, it feels almost disrespectful to complain to them about how badly I'm doing.

At the end of the day though, I think having good circumstances for isn't the same as having a good life. It's like having all the ingredients for a delicious dish, but not being able to put them together. Just having the ingredients in front of you doesn't mean you have a great meal. I'd say it's up to each person to decide if their life feels worth living, if being alive feels rewarding enough to want to stay alive. The "right" reason for you may not be the "right" reason for someone else, and that's okay. Only you have to actually live your life, so I think only you should have a say in what you do with it.
 
stoopid

stoopid

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Feb 27, 2023
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Life is a wonder and curse at the same time, nobody asks to be born but we can choose to go by ourselves.

So every reason is valid if you feel like it. Life is nothing special, if you live you will encounter lots of pain, dying family or friends, maybe some get an accident and suffer as a disabled his whole life and you have to watch out for him, for the next 30 years, the amount of pain is unbearable. For what ? Few potentially nice moments ? Look at the threads here, lots of people have horrific story's... they just want peace, but everyone has his own personal hell, that is for someone other not even a problem at all, we can't judge us here because of that reason.
 
yabujin

yabujin

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Oct 21, 2024
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When you're already past the age and the milestones of having achieving something you wanted in life but never did have the opportunity due to circumstances or just failed all the way,never began in the first place. ctb is the way.
 
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pariah80

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Aug 12, 2024
280
My soul and life experiences have guided me to this decision. Therefore, it's right. It's valid. It's justified. Hoo-man platitudes and empty philosophies are negated in the face of this.
 

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