Method 20ga shotgun

[Phade]

So I've got my hands on a 20 gauge Mossberg 50450 Pistol Grip Shotgun seems perfect for size and ease of pulling the trigger etc. power wise I believe it's fine just easier clean up for whoever.

I'm going to get some slugs for it now and I'm wondering if it's powerful enough and if I need to do anything other than take the 15 degree rule into consideration. I'm aiming for the brain stem, anything else? Am I good to go otherwise?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Phade]

Well, that's a huge bummer. Not reliable enough huh? I guess I have to buy another and just call that a loss of a couple hundred dollars?

 

[TiredHorse]

I disagree with Threads: slugs or pellets, 20ga has plenty of power for the job at the range you're considering.

A friend ctb with a .380 pointed at his temple: small caliber, wrong location, and he still got the job done. He was a very experienced shooter, but still, he was working at a disadvantage.

 

[TiredHorse]

"...the extent of internal destruction was similar with both gauges..."

You make my point for me: It's the internal destruction that matters. Blowing your skull all over the room isn't necessary to ctb, you just need to destroy the brainstem.

 

[Phade]

"...the extent of internal destruction was similar with both gauges..."

You make my point for me: It's the internal destruction that matters. Blowing your skull all over the room isn't necessary to ctb, you just need to destroy the brainstem.

I think that was the same article that I read, less clean up but same damage. I'm going to the gun store to look around to seem what I can find but I wonder if it is warranted. Granted, it's worth the money but I wonder if it's needed?

 

[Terminally drunk]

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...otguns/Maverick/Maverick+88+12GA+18.5+CYL+6RD

You can purchase this same firearm at Walmart for $185, I own 5 shotguns, this is a reliable firearm.

Woal dam can you just go into to Walmart show ur I.d an buy a shotgun for that much? Far out.

 

[TiredHorse]

Gun nuts --like me!-- have a knee-jerk reaction to follow the bigger-is-better mentality. Pragmatically, you want to follow a "Goldilocks" principle: not too big, not too small. I never would have considered using my .22 rifle for shooting the coyotes who raided my chickens (it would have risked wounding rather than killing), but nor would I have used my .308 for shooting the squirrels raiding the vegetable garden (it would have been ridiculous overkill and torn craters in the garden).

Would the 12ga be more forgiving of bad aim or a nervous flinch? Yes. Is a 20ga adequate, if you do your research and then aim properly with a steady hand? Yes.

Take into consideration your skill, your preparation/education on technique, and what you think your mindset will be when the time comes and whether you'll be steady enough to make the shot you need to make. If you're winging it on aim/anatomy, or think you'll have the jitters (understandable!) and not be able to concentrate, you might want the degree of overkill a 12ga provides. If you think you'll be steady and focussed, and you are confident in your knowledge of skull anatomy and aim, then the 20ga should be just fine.

Also consider the basic ergonomics of the gun. Can you point it where it needs to be pointed without fumbling it? A full-size 12ga is a terribly unweildy thing to put in your mouth, which makes it more likely for you to slip and blow off your face. Not good. If the 20ga allows you more certainty of being able to aim accurately, then the 20ga will be the better choice.

It's up to you, of course, and bigger-is-better is not without its merits, but take all the factors into consideration.

 

[Phade]

Walmart has a Remington 26" that doesn't seem too long but nothing near 18.5". They're looking up a youth but any other options?

 

[Phade]

They have a Maverick 88, having them check the details (28"—no joy). It's either that or the gun store, not sure if they'd have something like that or it.

 

[Phade]

Got a nice Remington 870, short tactile with a stock. 12ga to remove the anotomy portion I'm missing. They had 00 buck 9 pellet, any difference on pellet count? It's 1450fps which seemed better than 12 pellet and significantly slower. Advice?

 

[Sickofit]

If you are to shoot yourself, just remember to get the right spot exactly, so it doesnt turn out badly.

 

[TiredHorse]

They had 00 buck 9 pellet, any difference on pellet count? It's 1450fps which seemed better than 12 pellet and significantly slower. Advice?

Either one is more than adequate. At that close range, with a 12ga, you could use dove-and-quail; it's the gas expansion that'll do the job.

If you are to shoot yourself, just remember to get the right spot exactly, so it doesnt turn out badly.

This is the single most important factor.

I could kill myself with my .22 --because I know where to put the bullet.

Ignore everything you ever saw from Hollywood. Go to Wikipedia and look at "Brainstem". Look closely at the cross section of the skull that shows where the brainstem is located. Notice how it's nowhere near the temple? Nowhere near the front of the head, where the bullet will go when you put a gun under your chin? Look at yourself in a mirror and figure out where your brainstem is.

Put the muzzle of the gun against your skull directly behind your ear; point it level, directly side-to-side.

 

[Phade]

So basically straight in and up a little? Just trying to get this correct, everywhere seems to say straight up as high as it'll go which doesn't look right by the diagram. Looking for proper advice to not get this wrong...

 

[Ghab]

Exactly how painful is this method if you aim right?

 

[worldexploder]

20 gauge isn't reliable for suicide compared to a 12. I would not recommend using a 20 gauge. You are statistically more likely to fail and survive using a 20 gauge. OP's best choice would realistically be a 10 - 8 gauge. Unfortunately, those are difficult to access. While they do similar internal damage, the 50% increase in kinetic energy and high gas volume is desirable. OP, you could probably pawn your 20 gauge and purchase a used 12 gauge.

When I was looking for a firearm, I came to the conclusion that the 12 gauge would be best. I wouldn't do it with a 20g ether. I did however look at guages lower than 12 but decided against it due to the kick.

 

[Phade]

This one looks pretty close to the one I just picked up, the gas break or whatever below is inline with the business end though. It's 18.5", seems like a nice gun if someone gets it after.

 

[Singing In The Rain]

Here's someone blowing their head off with a shotgun:

https://gfycat.com/LateYearlyImperatorangel

 

[Phade]

Here's someone blowing their head off with a shotgun:

https://gfycat.com/LateYearlyImperatorangel

Well, to hell with technique?

 

[Singing In The Rain]

Well, to hell with technique?

I think those people that survive usually blow it under their chin and miss the brain. So never do that.

 

[Phade]

Question is brain straightish up or in straight then tilt 15 degrees

 

[TiredHorse]

Look closely at Threads's post, #17. It'll tell you where to aim.

 

[Trashcan]

Well, that's a huge bummer. Not reliable enough huh? I guess I have to buy another and just call that a loss of a couple hundred dollars?

You could maybe sell it on armslist or something and get some money back.

 

[Terminally drunk]

Here's someone blowing their head off with a shotgun:

https://gfycat.com/LateYearlyImperatorangel

https://www.freedomsafespace.com/m/videos/view/ISIS-Shotgun-Execution-No-Audio

another from the back of the head.

 

[Jai]

Well, that's a huge bummer. Not reliable enough huh? I guess I have to buy another and just call that a loss of a couple hundred dollars?

20 Guage has enough power mate .615 " v .729 " calibre for a 12 g 20 Guage are made to be effective at close range point it behind yoy ear pull the trigger

 

[Phade]

So what's the verdict, behind the ear like the GIF or in the mouth at 15 degrees?

 

[Jai]

So what's the verdict, behind the ear like the GIF or in the mouth at 15 degrees?

So what's the verdict, behind the ear like the GIF or in the mouth at 15 degrees?

Either work just easier lto point behind the in my opinion mate

 

[Phade]

Holding the gun, behind the ear seems easiest. That's now my preferred method and I purchased some 3" slugs that are much more sizable than the 00 buck today.

Now I'm just waiting for the day which will by months end unless sped up by other factors.