Method 1,4 butanediol megathread

[deadinsidex2]

I don't know the details since I'm not educated in the medical field, but to my understanding you would damage your vein, and arm by injecting in one go.
Not that that matters when you ctb, but there are physically limiting factors as well, mainly the needle diameter and fluid viscosity as well as how much your vein can take it (although your vein is probably the least limiting factor).

I mean you can try,.. get a needle, pull up some GBL and see how fast you can push it out without it becoming a literal pressure washer.

I see so its most probably risky nd edema is a much more safe nd reliable way, thanks for helping me clarify.

 

[jadedmenhir]

I am a big guy, 1m93, 100 kilos, I would love to try this method as I can get 1,4 butanediol and antiemetics fairly easily but I am concerned about the dosage to get me ctb. Any recommendations on how to calculate?

 

[Kasumi]

I am a big guy, 1m93, 100 kilos, I would love to try this method as I can get 1,4 butanediol and antiemetics fairly easily but I am concerned about the dosage to get me ctb. Any recommendations on how to calculate?

There's sadly not much information out there, not enough reports either.
~30ml "should" be safe normally,.. given your weight, perhaps doubling that would be necessary.
To begin with it's a difficult thing to estimate.
you could tale 10ml and die, or you could drink 100ml and survive cause you were found.

The "safe" amount is usually a balance act between, what gives you a good enough chance, as in, approaching 100%, but without going nuts because the more you take the more likely you are to vomit.

If you want a method that works 100% on the first try, don't go for 1,4-BD right now.
If you're fine with having a low risk of surviving... you can try anything around 60ml +- 20, whatever you feel comfortable with.

It's most reliable combined with other depressants that aren't alcohol.

For reference, most people I read about died, or would have died from 30ml.

 

[death2022]

There's sadly not much information out there, not enough reports either.
~30ml "should" be safe normally,.. given your weight, perhaps doubling that would be necessary.
To begin with it's a difficult thing to estimate.
you could tale 10ml and die, or you could drink 100ml and survive cause you were found.

The "safe" amount is usually a balance act between, what gives you a good enough chance, as in, approaching 100%, but without going nuts because the more you take the more likely you are to vomit.

If you want a method that works 100% on the first try, don't go for 1,4-BD right now.
If you're fine with having a low risk of surviving... you can try anything around 60ml +- 20, whatever you feel comfortable with.

It's most reliable combined with other depressants that aren't alcohol.

For reference, most people I read about died, or would have died from 30ml.

Would you mind linking the thread of people who you read have died from using 1,4-BD?

 

[Kasumi]

Would you mind linking the thread of people who you read have died from using 1,4-BD?

This is pretty much the only thread I know of someone attempting with 1,4-BD, so that's why I said there just isn't much actual information about it.

 

[alltoomuch2]

Is the 1,4-BDL we're talking about the one they sell to clean printers?

 

[FutureHanger]

Is the 1,4-BDL we're talking about the one they sell to clean printers?

yes

at a steady temperature of 70-80 degrees

does anyone know what item(s) to use to keep it at this temperature?

 

[FutureHanger]

@death2022 @Kasumi here's another thread from someone attempting with it: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/goodbye-freinds.10153/#post-183327

 

[Kasumi]

yes

does anyone know what item(s) to use to keep it at this temperature?

like just keep it in ur home, 70-80F is living temperature

@death2022 @Kasumi here's another thread from someone attempting with it: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/goodbye-freinds.10153/#post-183327

dunno what they tried the second time when it seems they succeeded? was it 60ml?
also they were wrong about the conversion rate, took alcohol with it and no AE's
like at the lowest I'd go with 30ml 1,4-BD for normal weight + AE's and depressants that aren't alcohol.
Still not sure how relaible that would be, the one person who tested it I think even with alcohol would've died if not found in time, but 1 person isn't really indicative of the general effectiveness.

 

[FutureHanger]

like just keep it in ur home, 70-80F is living temperature

ah I'm from Europe thought degrees just meant Celsius

dunno what they tried the second time when it seems they succeeded? was it 60ml?
also they were wrong about the conversion rate, took alcohol with it and no AE's
like at the lowest I'd go with 30ml 1,4-BD for normal weight + AE's and depressants that aren't alcohol.
Still not sure how relaible that would be, the one person who tested it I think even with alcohol would've died if not found in time, but 1 person isn't really indicative of the general effectiveness.

Yeah unfortunately they didn't specify the amount. I already knew not to use alcohol, I'm around 75kg would that be considered normal weight?

 

[Jessi76]

Now I'm a little confused...I thought butanediol combined with alcohol and sleeping pills would work best. There are warnings on the internet not to take it with alcohol because of the risk of respiratory depression etc.
Would it work just as well without the combination with alcohol?

 

[FutureHanger]

Now I'm a little confused...I thought butanediol combined with alcohol and sleeping pills would work best. There are warnings on the internet not to take it with alcohol because of the risk of respiratory depression etc.
Would it work just as well without the combination with alcohol?

it's broken down by the same enzymes as alcohol, of which alcohol takes priority so you should combine Butanediol with a depressant that isn't alcohol. I'm not sure about sleeping pills, you already will pass out in a few minutes anyways so that's probably why no one else has taken sleeping pills with it before.

 

[Jessi76]

it's broken down by the same enzymes as alcohol, of which alcohol takes priority so you should combine Butanediol with a depressant that isn't alcohol. I'm not sure about sleeping pills, you already will pass out in a few minutes anyways so that's probably why no one else has taken sleeping pills with it before.

Many thanks for the answer. Good to know. I considered adding zopiclone to increase the lethal effect. So is it better to just take the butanediol and AE with fasting beforehand, like with SN?

I have SN and Butanediol.
But I'm thinking about taking butanediol because it seems more peaceful to me and I don't look quite as scary (blue, etc.) when I'm found. And I feel like I can hide a failed attempt. BDO is not easily detectable without a special test

 

[FutureHanger]

So is it better to just take the butanediol and AE with fasting beforehand, like with SN?

You should fast beforehand to reduce chances of vomiting but I don't know exactly how long for

have SN and Butanediol.
But I'm thinking about taking butanediol because it seems more peaceful to me and I don't look quite as scary (blue, etc.) when I'm found. And I feel like I can hide a failed attempt. BDO is not easily detectable without a special test

The advantage of SN over Butanediol is that we know enough about SN to develop decent guidelines for it but 1,4 Butanediol is still very experimental, no one here has died from it AFAIK. A lot of failed attempts seem to be because they were found so make sure you'll be alone for at least 4 hours after attempting. I want to take Butanediol too but it's just so risky because we don't know much

 

[FutureHanger]

could I take it spaced evenly in ½ or ¼ of my total dose with a few mins interval in between drinking each portion?

 

[Kasumi]

@Jessi76 If you have zopiclone use it, it's a depressant as well, and they should potentiate each other.
@FutureHanger I think "normal" weight for meds standard calculations is 60kg? don't quote me on that, but you should be able to find that on the web.
Sure u can space it, why would you though?
Like.. think of what happens if u down a drink at once vs when you take it slowly.
Taking it all at once is more reliable, a few minutes probably won't make the difference, but again, where's the point, it won't make it less likely to puke, but if the taste is a problem like ye just drink it slowly.

 

[Tears in Rain]

@death2022 @Kasumi here's another thread from someone attempting with it: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/goodbye-freinds.10153/#post-183327

That poster you linked, @Toenditall, didn't ctb via butanediol alone. They initially were found after that initial attempt with just butanediol, but at a later stage seemed to ctb with a mix of butanediol and SN:

I was so so close

im back after my last attempt and it would have worked (I stopped breathing at one point) but my Nan came back early and found me I got taken to hospital was in there for a good while can’t remember much but managed to lie my way out of getting sectioned would have been back soon but I’ve been...

sanctioned-suicide.net

It’s almost time (goodbye thread)

Just got to my hotel room tonight I’m going to ctb thanks to everyone on here over the past few months but it’s time I do what I need to do method is partial hanging mixed with 250ml of 1.4b and 15-20grams of sn all washed down with a load of booze

sanctioned-suicide.net

Another poster, @80hdigital, seemed to ctb with a combo of butanediol, opioid( a morphine potency opioid called 2-MAP237) and partial hanging:

Certain Talk is Banned Now, but I Just Wanted to Say Goodbye

Was going to detail my [redacted] for harm reduction's sake and to add to history. However, I just found out that is no longer allowed. How sad to see. This was a noble site dedicated to helping those in dire need of guidance they so desperately needed in a safe community driven way. Well...

sanctioned-suicide.net

On looking up this method out of curiosity, there doesn't seem to be any account of someone who ctb'd with just butanediol.

Others who were rescued:
@About_to_Go:

I got rescued

I tried the 60ml method of 1,4 Butanediol in a hotel but it only resulted with me getting 4 days of ER/ICU and pneumonia. I think I'm going to try to recover now. Thank you all for everything, I'll come back to this site if I need to. Best of luck, AtG.

sanctioned-suicide.net

Apparently I vomited a lot despite taking 30 mg of meto before drinking the B. I personally wouldn't try this method again.

@purposeless:

1,4 butanediol megathread

You can read some experiences on this site from people using it for recreational use, not CTB. But you can read what a little dose (1-4 ml) of butanediol can do. Imagine what 60ml or more will do. https://erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_14Butanediol.shtml Other information at...

sanctioned-suicide.net

It seems some people on this thread were either not convinced of its reliability.
One person failed with the similar GBL, due to vomiting.
It seems an antiemetic is a must with this method.

Someone previously started an amitriptyline and butanediol megathread, advising it better to use it with something like amitriptyline.

I'm not sure about this method on its own. It can work, but it's still a bit unproven.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1556-4029.15294

 

[lazyeye]

just chiming in to say that i've tried taking 25 (maybe 30?) g of ghb. each instance was combined with an undetermined amount of alcohol — probably in the range of 10 shots of vodka. have not tried combining with an alternative substance, did not want to waste the sedatives that i have. just saying that 25 g of ghb + alcohol only leads to tinnitus and a strange sense of dread. i suppose alcohol is not the ideal substance to combine it with, it feels like it dampens the ghb. hope this is somewhat helpful.

 

[albstr1403]

just chiming in to say that i've tried taking 25 (maybe 30?) g of ghb. each instance was combined with an undetermined amount of alcohol — probably in the range of 10 shots of vodka. have not tried combining with an alternative substance, did not want to waste the sedatives that i have. just saying that 25 g of ghb + alcohol only leads to tinnitus and a strange sense of dread. i suppose alcohol is not the ideal substance to combine it with, it feels like it dampens the ghb. hope this is somewhat helpful.

This actually was very helpful. And damn.. how long were you out for? I wonder what's different between you and the ppl who die at parties doing it.. I have a huge supply of GHB that I haven't touched in years and my exit plan was just to down a bunch with alcohol...but it looks like even that won't bring certain death.

 

[ThisGameIsOverrated]

Anyone here tried GBL? IK One user did but that was in 2019 and they haven't been online since a couple months after

 

[barelyexisting]

Does anyone know how Sodium Oxybate maps to GHB dosage? I have easy access since it's prescribed for my narcolepsy, but it's not clear to me if 1g SO = 1g GHB. I'm thinking combining it with something like SN or Amitriptyline + whatever CNS depressants I have around like gabapentin and propranolol.

Also, I know that SO competes with food/calories (and requires ~2h of fasting beforehand, otherwise it doesn't work), so it might be something to keep in mind when combining alcohol with GHB derivatives.

 

[DrinkyCrow]

Anyone here tried GBL? IK One user did but that was in 2019 and they haven't been online since a couple months after

I did twice. But for recreational reasons and i met a few users in my lifetime (one died, idk the cause tho).
Every user can, and will tell you most likely how dangerous it is, and how easy it is to overdose.

What's stopping me right now is; cant get anything via friends so they wont feel guilty and; literally no one knows the deadly threshold exactly apparently. All ive been told is; one drop enough and there's no back out. Biggest difference and plus compared to opioids etc. for me rn is: as far as i know there's nothing they can do to bring you back.

But ffs, i really wanna know the dose without just drinking as much as possible. I know it can have somewhat nice effects, i can imagine myself going out like that.

If you ever did MDMA while drunk, its kinda like that. But more foggy. If you never did MDMA; imagine something that makes you feel super soft and warm (and most likely horny).

 

[glmtb77]

If we're honest we won't know until someone tests and livestreams the event. Even if a newspaper should report of such a case it's highly unlikely they'll mention how nice the death was..

I promise I will and do a better job than Houdini did at letting my loved ones know. Sorry this was a good laugh we all could use.

 

[DrinkyCrow]

If we're honest we won't know until someone tests and livestreams the event

Which platform would be best for that?

I would honestly be down for something like that if this means i'm not gonna die alone, more or less at least.

It would probably also be somewhat of a good deed to take one for the team i guess.

 

[illbesafesomeday]

So its essentially ghb? How do you order it?

Following. Interested to know too.

 

[FadingDawn]

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Following. Interested to know too.

same