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If you survived an SN attempt but weren't found, would you stay blue until you sought medical help?
If you survived an SN attempt but weren't found, would you stay blue until you sought medical help?
Yes you would need to be 'flushed out' with methylene blue I think, only hospitals have that
and if you didn't seek medical help, you'd probably die, slowly
and if you didn't seek medical help, you'd probably die, slowly
Fuck, so it's like if you don't die from the SN, everyone will know what happened (or at least see that you're blue)
And you have to go to a hospital, there's no way around it
Even if I theoretically had a full week to recover (which I currently don't have), I still wouldn't naturally return to my original coloration?
I've never tried it
Everyone keeps saying there's "no damage if you survive", but that doesn't count the blue skin, does it?
Oh good! I got panicked for a sec. Yeah theres no damage (edit: by that I mean you live with no probable long-term physical affects) but you've gotta be in hospital, pissing blue etc etc. Read some of the failed reports, it's by no means pleasant but you do live.
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ScorpiusDragon
Mage
- Mar 25, 2019
- 593
Maybe "no damage" is relative, compared to other suicide methods. Many SN survivors are able to continue on with their lives with no obvious physical symptoms after they receive medical treatment. Meanwhile, survivors of an attempted gun suicide or hanging often have much more obvious physical damage even after medical treatment.
ScorpiusDragon
Mage
- Mar 25, 2019
- 593
doesn't mean there is no damage done though, so I'd be wary of those who claim there is absolutely no damage. Just because it's not physically visible doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
GoodPersonEffed
Brevity is my middle name, but my name was TL
- Jan 11, 2020
- 6,727
I doubt you would remain blue forever, it is a symptom. If you remain blue, your blood is still affected and you require treatment. I recommend reading the two SN success and failure threads of anecdotal accounts, keeping in mind they are not verifiable.
one4all
I'll put pennies on your eyes and it will go away.
- Feb 3, 2020
- 3,455
Sorry for using that term. I was just overly enthoused with someone pointing out possible harm from actions While i can not STATE there will be no damage done from trying this.
The consequence for actions can be surprising. No one really knows exactly how their body could interact with substances. Try something once, no issue. Try something twice and get a bad reaction.
You need to go to the hospital if it fails. SN is reversible with medical help, not on your own. What we are putting in our body is nothing short of poison, and I honestly don't know what the long term effects would be if we didn't die or get medical help.
Quarky00
Enlightened
- Dec 17, 2019
- 1,956
@NotWhatIExpected , @drowinginsorrowww , you may read the SN guide thoroughly :
You may have a look at the SN FAQs :
And you may use the search option of this site as well (for example "SN Blue" etc):
Many people reflect upon death and discuss different effects and symptoms , some joke about it , just a reminder that at the end of the day it is a rather serious issue
~
Documented cases & fatalities:
There are more posts on this .
We really need SN Resource page ..
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/stans-guide-to-sn.27535/
You may have a look at the SN FAQs :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-faq-storage-recovery-death.29714/
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...antacid-beta-blockers-painkillers-draft.29822
And you may use the search option of this site as well (for example "SN Blue" etc):
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/search/
Many people reflect upon death and discuss different effects and symptoms , some joke about it , just a reminder that at the end of the day it is a rather serious issue
~
Everything is reversible with methylene blue . You either die or survive . Over many cases SN has no medical documentation of permanent damage .
Documented cases & fatalities:
- Members testimonials -- detailed
- Members + patient cases -- summary)
There are more posts on this .
We really need SN Resource page ..
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That sucks that you have to go to the hospital
Especially since you'd probably get put in a psych ward, making your life even worse
That just destroyed a good deal of the appeal of SN
Thank you I was looking for these! Is there any centered place for all this SN info? (apart from your great comment lol).@NotWhatIExpected , @drowinginsorrowww , you may read the SN guide thoroughly :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/stans-guide-to-sn.27535/
You may have a look at the SN FAQs :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-faq-storage-recovery-death.29714/
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...antacid-beta-blockers-painkillers-draft.29822
And you may use the search option of this site as well (for example "SN Blue" etc):
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/search/
Many people reflect upon death and discuss different effects and symptoms , some joke about it , just a reminder that at the end of the day it is a rather serious issue
~
Everything is reversible with methylene blue . You either die or survive . Over many cases SN has no medical documentation of permanent damage .
Documented cases & fatalities:
- Members testimonials -- detailed
- Members + patient cases -- summary)
There are more posts on this .
We really need SN Resource page ..
edit: oh lmao silly me, thanks!
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Quarky00
Enlightened
- Dec 17, 2019
- 1,956
I guess the best thing to do would actually be to buy your own supply of methylene blue, although the danger there I imagine is that you can fuck the dosage up
It's available to buy
You would also run the risk of too impulsively panicking (even without pain) and taking methylene blue without wanting to, but with enough SN and methylene blue that would be fine
Edit: Ah it seems like the methylene blue might have to be given intravenously https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4987464/
Maybe not though?
It's available to buy
You would also run the risk of too impulsively panicking (even without pain) and taking methylene blue without wanting to, but with enough SN and methylene blue that would be fine
Edit: Ah it seems like the methylene blue might have to be given intravenously https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4987464/
Maybe not though?
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Yes it's IV, you'd need a whole load of other medical stuff too, HR/BP monitor, a drip, those things they stick on your chest. It's not un-doable, but I reckon it's extremely hard to test SN safely with no ill affects. If someone was with you (a nurse or Dr) then maybe.....
I still advise against it
also how're you gonna hook an IV up if your vomiting and can't walk or type
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Just because it's given via IV in a hospital does not mean that it necessarily must be given as an IV though perhaps
Also I'm thinking that if for whatever reason you passed out from SN but somehow woke up without being caught (not sure how possible that even is), you could probably just breathe and have oxygen return your skin to the normal color after a while
They say vitamin c fucks up sodium nitrite so maybe you could keep two bottles of orange juice around or something
Not that that would be a great choice or even foolproof in a meaningful way
I guess the best thing about sodium nitrite is that it seems like if you're absolutely bent on taking your own life, and the repercussions of not doing so are even worse, you could probably just ball up for a few minutes and the pain could be ignored (hopefully easily)--although the urge not to vomit everywhere (thus making a mess for someone else to clean up), would make that hard
A gun seems better tbh if you have one
As far as a peaceful death though I'd probably hold out for at least a Debreather (Nembutal seems cool though, particularly if you could take a swig of apple juice after)
Sodium nitrite just seems too complicated to really be a practical thing for standard use (as those are your last moments of consciousness, you'd want your time to be enjoyable)
I myself plan to ctb after next summer using SN, I plan to have some xanax, oxys, maybe a joint, have a good night. Then drink the SN after the meto/antacid regime , I'm figuring that the xanax will calm me down and the oxys will take care of any pain, the other stuff (meto) will control the vomit. I rarely throw up on opiates. Hopefully it'll feel like a heroin OD, just drifting off, I still need to figure out the exact timing though, I don't want the oxys/xanax to mess with the SN. If I could get some pure fentanyl that'd be ideal, I hear people die before fully pushing the plunger even.
SuiSqueeze92
Self Saboteur
- Jan 15, 2020
- 479
You would only remain blue as long as your body is still having trouble bringing oxygenated blood to the surface of the skin. Your blood doesn't turn blue.
Every day consumption of sodium nitrite is already studied as potentially harmful in the long term.
www.livestrong.com
www.thealternativedaily.com
Report on animals describing non neutral aftermath https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28606628
It's probably not responsible to assume that surviving SN being rescued comes with zero risk. The trend of SN suicide is very recent and it doesn't make it possible to look into the mirror clearly. At this stage, observations on the surface don't come with a meaning. No apparent signs of OD damage in the short term is no guarantee of full safety neither later developments.
Taking attempts lightly, just because of the promise that the process can be reversed at will, looks like a flawed argument. This is serious business that shouldn't be based on weak commitment. Don't mean to sound paternalistic but better be safe than sorry
The Harmful Effect of Sodium Nitrite in Food | Livestrong.com
Farmers use sodium nitrite to cure meats. It preserves flavor and prevents decay. Yet some studies have found a link between sodium nitrite and stomach cancer.
5 Dangers Of Sodium Nitrites In Your Food (#4 IS SHOCKING)
Sodium nitrite, a preservative used in processed foods, has been identified as an extremely potent carcinogen by the World Health Organization.
www.thealternativedaily.com
It's probably not responsible to assume that surviving SN being rescued comes with zero risk. The trend of SN suicide is very recent and it doesn't make it possible to look into the mirror clearly. At this stage, observations on the surface don't come with a meaning. No apparent signs of OD damage in the short term is no guarantee of full safety neither later developments.
Taking attempts lightly, just because of the promise that the process can be reversed at will, looks like a flawed argument. This is serious business that shouldn't be based on weak commitment. Don't mean to sound paternalistic but better be safe than sorry
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Quarky00
Enlightened
- Dec 17, 2019
- 1,956
You need IV .
It doesn't work "at home" .
Instead of speculating do research first ? ;)
A lot of this website does not count as "research" at all
That said, this one site says:
"
Methylene blue injection is used to treat methemoglobinemia. It works by converting methemoglobin to a more efficient type of hemoglobin to better carry oxygen throughout the body.
Methylene blue oral is used to treat methemoglobinemia and urinary tract infections. It works as a mild antiseptic to kill bacteria in the urinary tract. You will most likely also be given an antibiotic medication to treat your infection."
Idk how effective just drinking methylene blue would be in comparison with the IV
I guess it's probably better than nothing if you would do a lot not to go back to a psych ward
In my example though I'm picturing someone who has a lot of unmonitored time on their hands but still might need to go outside or something
I'm not entirely sure all the uses of having your own stash of methylene blue (I'm especially uncertain about how much of it in liquid form you'd need), but I would imagine it would help
Quarky00
Enlightened
- Dec 17, 2019
- 1,956
That is not true. PPH is research. SN guide is research. Success/failed has medically documented cases.
We have literally hundreds of links to proper scientific research.
I'm just a bit disheartened by throwing medical speculations that are about life and death .
Please try to listen
Please don't disrespect The PPH is not just this website, I've been reading thatThat is not true. PPH is research. SN guide is research. Success/failed has medically documented cases.
We have literally hundreds of links to proper scientific research.
I'm just a bit disheartened by throwing medical speculations that are about life and death .
Please try to listen
I've been looking up cases (in what appear to be scientific or medical case studies on other sites)
Some of the posters on this site make me uncomfortable and I'd rather just stop commenting now at least for a while
Just thought I'd share my two cents on what I thought after drinking the 25g table salt and licking around 15 grains or so of SN (I mainly wanted to try that after reading a distressing series of posts about an alleged SN attempt by Mystic Perception)
You know, just for the sake of saying it.... you tend to need medical attention from a hospital from most truly fatal ctb methods if they fail. It's the non fatal ones like otc od you can recover from alone. Hanging is an exception since most of the "fails" are more the event not really getting into action rather than failing mid way.
if done right SN will not fail.
if done right SN will not fail.
I can understand that-
I just distinctly remember reading a conversation on here where someone said "if you fail with SN (like from throwing up they meant?), and you aren't found, you can just go about your normal life"
That wasn't exactly a big part of the appeal for me but I distinctly remember reading someone on this site say that
I don't want to get involved with any more discussions on that right now, I don't know if that aspect of SN is true or not true, and I don't really like the way this website's discussions turn sometimes
Roger
I Liked Ike
- May 11, 2019
- 972
I hope that you keep commenting. Your observations are well balanced and mature.
Edit: I'm sorry, I think I confused a story the same person wrote about ODing on Xanax and waking up a few days later without going to the hospital (not being found, I believe), and that same person's other conception that there aren't lasting health effects from SN failed suicide if you're found
I want to say this discussion may have mentioned something about theoretically not admitting the SN was a suicide attempt (and thus avoiding the psych ward), but I don't know if that's actually something you can talk your way out of--
And to be honest when I first started looking up stuff about SN (and really this website) a week or two ago I was just reading a lot at once and it was all new to me and I think some stuff just got shuffled around in my memory
That said, there probably are huckster pro-lifers on this board
Edit: I'll look through the SN failure board again just to see if there's something specific I got that idea from
I want to say this discussion may have mentioned something about theoretically not admitting the SN was a suicide attempt (and thus avoiding the psych ward), but I don't know if that's actually something you can talk your way out of--
And to be honest when I first started looking up stuff about SN (and really this website) a week or two ago I was just reading a lot at once and it was all new to me and I think some stuff just got shuffled around in my memory
That said, there probably are huckster pro-lifers on this board
Edit: I'll look through the SN failure board again just to see if there's something specific I got that idea from
