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jonward55

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I don't seem to be able to find the answer, hence my post.
Since SN restricts the oxygen in the blood, wouldn't your body panic and feel the effects of suffocation making you try to breathe heavily to get more oxygen into your system?
If there is pain, that would only be for a short while but wouldn't you physically try to get as much oxygen as possible or would you be passed out by then?
If passed out, how long do you think that would take and what would the cause be?
Sorry if this has been asked before, I would just like to know before drinking it.
 
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These were the responses the last time someone asked, I'm not entirely sure about the physiology behind it though. Hope this helps?
 
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yes SN makes you gasp for air and makes you feel like your suffocating
 
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More than likely based on how it works.
 
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These were the responses the last time someone asked, I'm not entirely sure about the physiology behind it though. Hope this helps?

yes SN makes you gasp for air and makes you feel like your suffocating

More than likely based on how it works.
no, these responses are false.

the feeling of suffocation is caused by CO2 build-up in the lungs, NOT by cyanosis. the reason why people suffocate with low oxygen is either due to blocked airway, pnumonia, or inhaling co2

if this were to be the case with SN poisoning, then by the same logic the inert gas method would be suffocating because of the low oxygen level, yet it is considered one of the most painless methods possible.

by that same logic you could also say that people who died on mount everest from hypoxia suffocated, yet its impossible to tell whether or not hypoxia is happening to you until you start to notice that you feel weaker, more lightheaded, nothing like suffocation.
 
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it's been reported here 100 of times that people who've ingested SN gasp for air
could you give me some report examples? ill delete my erroneous post if i am wrong
 
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no, these responses are false.

the feeling of suffocation is caused by CO2 build-up in the lungs, NOT by cyanosis. the reason why people suffocate with low oxygen is either due to blocked airway, pnumonia, or inhaling co2

if this were to be the case with SN poisoning, then by the same logic the inert gas method would be suffocating because of the low oxygen level, yet it is considered one of the most painless methods possible.

by that same logic you could also say that people who died on mount everest from hypoxia suffocated, yet its impossible to tell whether or not hypoxia is happening to you until you start to notice that you feel weaker, more lightheaded, nothing like suffocation.
Exactly, there's a story of a flight of passengers who lost cabin pressure and had their masks on but when the oxygen ran out, they all died just… sitting in their seats. A plan that passed by saw a flight of passengers but no one was moving. Eerie, really. Hypoxia is really interesting.
 
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the feeling of suffocation is caused by CO2 build-up in the lungs, NOT by cyanosis. the reason why people suffocate with low oxygen is either due to blocked airway, pnumonia, or inhaling co2
I've heard all this before and it doesn't hold water. Let's ask the dead person who took SN and see what they say. Oh wait, we can't. They're the ONLY ones who would truly know. Maybe everyone is different in their reaction. I don't like blanket statements that cover everyone the same way. I think the only way one wouldn't experience "something", as the SN was kicking in and doing what it's supposed to do, is if one was unconscious, and that would be pretty difficult to achieve seeing as one has to drink the SN. I don't purport to be any expert on SN and I'm not attempting to steer anyone away from it if that is the method they choose. Everyone should go by what they have studied and understand about it.

it's been reported here 100 of times that people who've ingested SN gasp for air
^This
 
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I hope it doesn't feel like suffocating.
 
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jonward55

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I hope it doesn't feel like suffocating.
Yes, that's why I am so interested.
no, these responses are false.

the feeling of suffocation is caused by CO2 build-up in the lungs, NOT by cyanosis. the reason why people suffocate with low oxygen is either due to blocked airway, pnumonia, or inhaling co2

if this were to be the case with SN poisoning, then by the same logic the inert gas method would be suffocating because of the low oxygen level, yet it is considered one of the most painless methods possible.

by that same logic you could also say that people who died on mount everest from hypoxia suffocated, yet its impossible to tell whether or not hypoxia is happening to you until you start to notice that you feel weaker, more lightheaded, nothing like suffocation.
Very interesting, thanks 🙏
 
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Wouldn't you pass out before that could happen?
it's been reported here 100 of times that people who've ingested SN gasp for air
It depends if they feel the gasping for air, the body of people who overdose on downers also does that but they don't feel it.
 
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I've heard all this before and it doesn't hold water. Let's ask the dead person who took SN and see what they say. Oh wait, we can't. They're the ONLY ones who would truly know. Maybe everyone is different in their reaction. I don't like blanket statements that cover everyone the same way. I think the only way one wouldn't experience "something", as the SN was kicking in and doing what it's supposed to do, is if one was unconscious, and that would be pretty difficult to achieve seeing as one has to drink the SN. I don't purport to be any expert on SN and I'm not attempting to steer anyone away from it if that is the method they choose. Everyone should go by what they have studied and understand about it.


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why expect it to be different from any other condition that causes cyanosis? ask the people that DID survive SN, and give me the report.
 
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Hypoxemia, low level of oxygen in the blood.

"In an acute context, hypoxemia can cause symptoms such as those in respiratory distress. These include breathlessness, an increased rate of breathing, use of the chest and abdominal muscles to breathe, and lip pursing."

Wiki URL

The human body has several mechanisms to control breathing, shortness of breath is not just caused by excess carbon dioxide.
 
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why expect it to be different from any other condition that causes cyanosis? ask the people that DID survive SN, and give me the report.
I don't know any of the people who have taken SN. so not going to give you any report on that.

For those interested in SN, here are accounts from survivors and non-survivors alike:

Source: https://www.sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-successful-and-unsuccessful-cases-2023-update.120854/

I have combined and added all the brief summary of all the attempts, assumed successful and unsuccessful, of SN suicide. These are all posts that the member has made to document the method, news articles, and scientific articles. If I have missed any I apologise and it would be great if you can add them to this thread.

SS ASSUMED SUCCESSFUL

iceiceice722: 20g, 48 hour regimen meto, antacid.

Stan: 20g in 50ml water, stat dose antiemetic Buccastem (prochlorperazine), 200mg tramadol, OTC antacid, fasted for at least 5 hours.

Moonicide: 25g in luke warm water drank through straw to help with taste, 48 hour regimen meto, 1000mg ibuprofen, 1000mg gabapentin, 800mg Tagamet, 8 hour fasting, throat and stomach burning afterward, pain rated 3.5/10, after 5 minutes needed to lay down, heart beating fast, feeling really warm but no pain, vomited twice, after 10 minutes breathing heavily, gasping for air, sounds like choking. After 10 minutes breathing slows down, leg spasms and grunting and loud groaning sounds. After 15 minutes vomits again, unconscious after 20 minutes. Witness did not think it was entirely peaceful.

Chat room: 25g, 72 hours regimen meto, 6 hour fast, ranitidine, tasted bad, burning throat, breathing slowly, 20 minutes after ingesting vomited violent, sounds indicated it became a very tough experience, horrible respiratory sounds, really distressing, don't know when she fell unconscious but we didn't talk anymore, 45 minutes after drinking she stopped breathing and dead (report from person who was on the telephone while someone took SN, could hear noises and groaning, did not think it was peaceful).

gambardella: 2 tablespoons in as little water as possible, 48 hour regimen with metopimazine, fasted for 8 hours, sleeping pills (doxylamine) 30 mins before the SN drink, 1000mg paracetamol but no antacids. Slight stomach discomfort and throat hurts a bit, heart beating super-fast!

MeltingHeart: 48 hour regimen with meto but missed out last triple dose, 2 parcetamol plus 1 Zantac, a few low dose benzos.

BPD-LE: 20g in 50ml water, stat dose of quetiapine, 8 hour fast, withdrew fluids 2 hours before SN, antacid 4 x Rennie.

metalchic_74: 27g, 8 hours fasting, stat dose 400 mg of quetiapine, 2-3mg Ativan, antacid Tagamet, 2 ibuprofen, fast heartbeat, dizzy.

Tearygirl: 25g, stat dose of 30mg meto, take painkiller and benzo 1 hour before, meto 45 mins before, and antacid 30 mins before, 1000mg Tylenol, 0.5mg lorazepam, 20mg famotidine.

Suicidal4Ever: 20 capsules, stat dose antiemetic, benzos. Neck and chest feel overfilled already from taking capsules.

Neverod: 20g in 75ml water, 48 hour meto regimen, 4 teaspoons magnesium milk, throat burns, drowsy.

Spiderman_32: 22g in 68g water, stat dose of 3 buccastem m (3mg).

trynacbt: 48 hour regimen meto, 400mg ibuprofen, 3mg Lexotan, 800mg Tagamet, slight burning at back of throat, fast heartbeat, some nausea, feel thirsty, really peaceful, feel sedated, limbs heavy, anxious, drowsy.

Kvothe_alThor: 20g, 48 hour regimen with meto, 300mg ranitidine, after 3 minutes fast heartbeat, feel dizzy but no pain.

shango: 15g, stat dose of 30mg meto, fasted all day, in a hotel.

EBEN30: SN and Omeprazole.

JordT: 20g in 50ml water, 48 hour regimen with meto, ranitidine, oxycodone, diazepam.

Bumblebee: 20g in 50ml water, 48 hour regimen with meto, ranitidine, oxycodone, diazepam.

Karangel25: ~20g in 100ml water, meto.

melanar: 20g, 48 hour regimen with meto, alprazolam.

NeCkDeEp: 2-3 tablespoons SN in 100ml water, 1000mg ibuprofen, anxiolytics, 3 Rennie, 3 sleeping pills, fast heartbeat, drowsy.

heylightiforgot: tablespoon of SN, stat dose antiemetic, 20mg diazepam, acid reducer.

peaceminusbts: 20g in 50/100ml water, 48 hour regimen domperidone, 3 x 45mg ranitidine, 8 hour fasting.

LuxelDrief: 22g in 70ml water, stat dose meto, 800mg cimetidine, 8 hour fast, metamizol.

Davy: 25g, stat dose meto, zantac, lorazepam.

timetogo: 2 tablespoons in 50ml water, 3 x 75mg ranitidine, fast for 36 hours, throat warm, heaving but not vomiting, do not feel nauseous, hands falling asleep, pain, vomiting swallow back, cannot breathe.

Lunaemoth: 20g, 48 hour regimen meto, 800mg of Tagamet, ibuprofen, feel dizzy, fast loud heartbeat, overheated but hands cold and shaky, pale, nauseous, almost blacked out getting up, feel better laying down.

Kakabushi: 48 hour regimen meto.

Tristesse: Haven't pass out yet 16min after taking SN, the heart rate raised a lot, now the eyesight is a little influenced, dizzy and ringing in the ears now.

Funkygibbon: SN in 20 capsules, vomited but had recently eaten, turned blue, no pain, vision going spotty.

Whatshername: 48 hours regimen meto, acid reducers, Xanax.

Northerngirl1965: 10g in 100ml water, 48 hour regimen meto, 800mg Tagamet, Benadryl, Kalm tab.

Purple777: 15g in 100ml water, 48 hour regime meto, 800mg Tagamet, Xanax, 12 hour fast.

Jackblade: 20g in ~70ml water, stat dose domperidone (3 x 10mg), omeprazole (1 x 10mg).

Kemis: 30g, 48 hour regimen cyclizine (3 x 50mg per day), pepto bismol, Ranitidine (4 x 75mg), Zantac.

Spartacus00: 10g in water, 32 pills SN (each holds 0.5g), vomited, headache, shaky.

Kukubananas: 3 teaspoons SN (approx.. 17-18g), 100mg of dimenhydrinate, 50 mg of meclizine, 800mg of Tagamet, fasted for about 18 hours, fast heartbeat, very nauseous, no headache, cannot breathe, vomited, back of throat hurts, keep coughing, dizzy, stomach feels funny, hot, hard to concentrate, like being drunk, nausea passed after a while, hands shaky, body feels heavy, no energy, feel faint.

Rocksandsand: 20g, stat dose meto, benzos, antacid, did not fast, slight stomach discomfort, vomited.

bubbletea: 20g, stat dose domperidone (30mg), 10mg diazepam, fast heartbeat.

Vegrau: 20g, no antiemetic, cimetidine 800mg, lorazepam 6mg, fasted 24 hours.

Lunar: 15g in 60ml of water, stat dose meto (40mg), 4 x 75g Ranitidine, 1000mg Ibuprofen, fasted 8 hours, fast heartbeat, no pain, sleepy and relaxed.

Karangel25: 30g, 48 hour regimen meto.

Cloudz: 20g in 125ml water, stat dose 30mg meto, Tagamet 800mg, fast heartbeat.

Zal: 12 capsules SN, no antiemetic, feel a bit under the weather, high pulse.

Oblivion Lover: 25g, 48 hour regime meto, Cimetidine 200mg, Lorazepam 2mg, 8 hour fasting.

AnxiouslyDepressed: 20g in 50ml water, 48 hour regimen meto, 1mg clonazepam, 120mg propranolol, 1mg Xanax, 4mg diazepam, 1000mg paracetamol, 20ml Milk of Magnesia, 8 hour fast, gagged slightly due to salty taste, dizzy, no nausea.

SoupSnakes: 25g in 50ml water, 48 hour regimen meto, 1g paracetamol, 100mg amitriptyline, 800mg Tagamet, 8 hour fast.

daikon: 48 hour regimen meto, 400mg ibuprofen, klonopin.

peaceminusbts: 20g in 100ml water, 48 hour regimen domperidone, rantadine, fasting for 8 hours.

Kronos: 25g, 10 hour regimen meto, 200mg propranolol, 1000mg paracetamol.

SpecialK: 21g, stat dose 300mg of Quietiapine, 2x 400mg of Advil, 2 Gravol, 2 Tagamet, almost vomited after drinking, fast heartbeat, drifting away, vision blurry.

Readytoendit: 20g, no antiemetic, 800mg Tagamet, advil, slight headache and nausea after 3 minutes, not a great deal of pain, felt peaceful about the decision.

Escaper Boy: 20g, stat dose meto, cimetidine.

epil: 20g, no antiemetic, 900mg ranitidine

Godofdeathftw: 48 hour regimen meto, Zoltan, fasted 8 hours.

isam: stat dose meto, 1000mg paracetamol.

PrincessStepford: 20g in 75ml water, 48 hour regimen meto, doesn't taste too bad.

SS UNSUCCESSFUL

drakewantstogo: 17g, stat dose of 30mg metoclopramide, 225mg Zantac, fasted for more than 8 hours, after 5 minutes vomited 3 times, after 15 minutes did not feel drowsy, felt happy and excited at first but then felt anxiety, mild dissociation, blindness, felt bad – pain 6/10, called emergency services, arrived 45 minutes after intake.

Querry1: 15g in 60ml water, stat dose of weak antiemetic, fasted for 6 hours, heart beating fast, vomited after 20 minutes, after 30 minutes felt unbearable pain 6-7/10, called emergency services, blacked out after 1 hour.

Mortalscreensaver: 10g, no antiemetic or acid regulator but fasted for 24 hours, slowly sipped liquid and did not finish, lips turned blue, felt dizzy when walking, fainted after 10 minutes.

clover: 50g, baking soda as acid inhibitor, no fasting, wasn't able to finish drink because of saltiness and drowsiness, tried to walk but felt weak and collapsed, found by girlfriend, felt nauseous and "out of it," lost consciousness and had seizures, emergency services called, no permanent damage.

21Neberg: 20g in 150ml water, no antiemetic, no antacid, 24 hour fast, lips turned blue, fainted 10 minutes later, did not finish glass, still sipping it when found, dizzy when walking, found by mother, emergency services called, fully recovered

ultraviolet sin: 20g drank over an hour, regimen meto, Xanax, no fasting, didn't vomit, didn't hurt, felt euphoric, found by police in hotel room 1 hour 40 minutes after, "out of it" while being treated.

Mich517: 20g in 100ml DMSO, vomited a lot, similar to partial hanging, vision affected, felt like passing out, convulsions, hands shaking, fell as stood up, not fully conscious, slept it off, no pain, nausea.

X-Kid: 2 tablespoons in 1.5 cups water, had two sips, 8mg ondansetron afterward, felt fine but burning in nostrils, unconscious after 20 minutes, no pain, roommate found him passed out with blue/grey face and called emergency services, doctors claimed would be dead if not found.

Lotus: 20g, stat dose antiemetic, fasted all day, loss of vision/vision blurred, vomited after 20 minutes then felt no pain, fast heartbeat, passed out, police came into room after last sip as someone had called emergency services.

Divine Trinity: Took SN and other than the burning sensations (minor to me), I can't remember much after lying down. The burning is similar to acid reflux in the oesophagus and stomach, slightly worse since it lingers. Only reason I survived was because someone called the cops after I was under, woke up handcuffed to the hospital bed.

axorz: 17g, stat dose of meto, benzos, Tagamet, 8 hour fast. Vomited immediately after drinking, lost consciousness after about 10 seconds, brother called ambulance. No long term consequences.

Jen0804: SN mixed with orange juice. After effects – alopecia, hair started coming out within that same week and continued until June. It's slowly growing back now, periods stopped completely so I believe it can mess up hormones/endocrine - not sure about long term fertility or male fertility etc., immediately after taking it and the whole two weeks after, my kidneys and bowels just weren't functioning, also couldn't feel hunger. I ate an apple and two bites of a hospital sandwich for a whole week or so (drank as normal) but I was so not hungry.

Funkygibbon: 8 or 9 SN in capsules, went outside for a cigarette, within 10mins I was found because a neighbour walked past, my lips were blue and I was ghostly white, my only symptoms were a massive headache, I didn't feel sick or anything, my neighbour called an ambulance.

L0ne1ygh0st: 15g in 100ml water, no antiemetic, stat dose quetiapine, vomited, sore throat, headache, fast heartbeat but peaceful, boyfriend found her and called emergency services.

zajebistakaczka: 20g, 48 hour regimen of meto, alprazolam, 2mg Xanax.

Ifisieyoung: no antiemetic, vomited, sleepy, hot, didn't realise how fast it would work and someone found me, would recommend this method and I will be trying it again this weekend.

Eden2k: SN in sips at first, felt nauseous but didn't vomit, gulped down the rest, vomited in 10 minutes, severe headache, pain in my lower part of my back and stomach cramps probably down to vomiting, hadn't eaten or taken anti-acid or antiemetics, assumed it hadn't worked so lied down because I had the headache from hell, woke up early hours the next day, looked in the mirror, discolouration of skin, tried to get out of bed but stumbled and knocked things down, other customers in the hotel room next door reporting loud crashing from my room, hotel staff let themselves in when they couldn't get a response, had passed out on the floor.

Minudah: 5 teaspoons in ½ cup DMSO, ¾ rubbed into skin, no antiemetics, abdominal pain, mouth dry, dizzy, lethargic, weak, vision going black, headache, bad chest pains, muscle pains, fatigue, nauseous, stiffness, shaking, called emergency services.

Suicidal4Ever: 3 teaspoons in 100ml water, no antiemetic, 3 x benzo, had drunk alcohol, tired, doubt if I've taken enough, vomited 3 hours after taking, heart felt it was going to burst out of chest, went to sleep, woke with hangover, headache, head ringing, eyes pulsing, blue lips and fingernails, continued vomiting next day but almost back to normal.

Notf1xable: 25g in 100ml water, no antiemetic, zolfran, antacid, 8 hour fast, vomited after drinking, burned going down, didn't finish full dose, lay down, sweaty, dizzy, vision affected, sore body like flu, feeling out of it, called emergency services.

Kaluk: 20g in 100ml water, no antiemetics or benzos, fasted 13 hours but had a few beers, nauseous and dizzy, lost consciousness 20-30 minutes after taking SN, accidentally turned up stereo and complaint made to police about one hour after taking SN, resuscitated and sectioned for two weeks, doctors said would have died if taken in 30-40 minutes later.

NEWS ARTICLES

Wira Wahyudi Sinuraya died after ingested 100 times safe amount.

Robert Laurie Coates died after SN ingestion.

Joshua Barton died after SN ingestion.

Juanita Ainsley died after SN ingestion.

20 year old girl died after SN ingestion.

Inezi Scychocki Serafine 20g in 200ml of water.

Ashley Walker died after SN ingestion.

Teresa Sunna, 28 year old, died after SN ingestion, lethal dose for humans is set at around 22 milligrams per kilo of body weight.

Brett Stevens and a 24-year-old woman found dead at AirBnB in Scotland.

Shawn Shatto was found blue, cold, lying on the floor, she wasn't breathing.

Mathew Mindler Former Child Star, Died By Suicide With $15 Amazon Product

Empire actress Lindsey Pearlman died by suicide in February from sodium nitrite poisoning, found dead in her car

Edward Leclair, 57, Pedophile killed himself in courtroom by drinking sodium nitrite, found unconscious in a holding cell, Shortly after entering the holdover cell, he started vomiting, and emergency services were called, in hospital he was pronounced dead

SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES (SUCCESSFUL)

17 year old dental nurse died after taking a single 1g tablet of sodium nitrite.

A man in his 30s who had exhibited mild depression was found dead in his house. At autopsy, the lividity of the face and back was greenish grey, and the blood was tinted a chocolate brown colour. Level of methemoglobin was 83.4% by spectrophotometry.

A case of methemoglobinemia caused by the accidental contamination of drinking-water with sodium nitrite. The patient had a MetHb concentration of 49%. The amount of sodium nitrite ingested was estimated to be 0.7g.

Two cases of fatal methemoglobinemia resulting from ingestion of laxative solution inadvertently contaminated with sodium nitrite are described. Postmortem toxicological examination revealed methemoglobin levels in excess of 75% in both patients – a level that is uniformly fatal. The laxative solution was found to contain sodium nitrite instead of sodium sulfate at a concentration of 15 g/L. The pathophysiology of methemoglobinemia and a review of other reported cases of toxic methemoglobinemia are presented. Marked cyanosis in the face of intact cardiorespiratory function should alert the physician to the possibility of toxic methemoglobinemia.

A 76-year-old man collapsed and rapidly developed brady-asystolic cardiac arrest 25 min following self-poisoning with an unknown quantity of crystalline sodium nitrite. On arrival in the ED the patient was asystolic with cardiopulmonary resuscitation in progress. Haemoglobin concentration was 110 g/L, arterial methaemoglobin measured 82.6% and serum lactate 9.6 mmol/L. Antioxidative treatment was undertaken with total 5 mg/kg intravenous methylene blue administered in divided aliquots. Despite prolonged resuscitative efforts the patient died.

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30 year old male

Was in suicidal ideation who was witnessed consuming sn which he purchased from online, he died on the way to the hospital, he had mental illness and several attempts of suicide in the past.

SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES (UNSUCCESSFUL)

A 23-year-old female presented to the emergency department after intentionally ingesting an unspecified amount of sodium nitrate. She presented by ambulance to the hospital profoundly cyanotic and unresponsive. The patient's initial methemoglobin level was 92.7%.

A 52-year-old male was transported to hospital after being found at home by family, unconscious and slumped awkwardly for approximately 24 hours. After treatment reported chest pains, kidney injury due to SN, deep vein thrombosis, cognitive impairment (unclear if this was due to past history of ECT or SN).

Sodium nitrite ingestion for suicidal attempt, presented in unconsciousness, shock and deeply cyanosed condition. He was pulseless and had no recordable BP with methemoglobin level of 77%. He completely recovered after two days. Survival in a case of methemoglobinemia with extremely high level of methemoglobin, non-recordable BP and deep cyanosis is rarely reported.

Poisoning with sodium nitrite in three family members after eating homemade sausages given to them by their neighbour who was a butcher. The concentration of sodium nitrite in the homemade sausages was about 3.5g per 1kg of meat, almost 30 times higher than allowed according to legislation. A 70-year-old man died about 7 hours after consuming the meal, while two women, 53 and 67 years of age, respectively, were admitted to a toxicology clinic the following day due to food poisoning, with the maximum concentration of MHb in blood of 33.7 and 20.4%, respectively. They were discharged 3 days later. The autopsy of the deceased man showed sodium nitrite poisoning with a relatively low concentration of MHb in his blood – 9.87%. Death was attributed to the exacerbation of hypertensive and ischemic heart disease, resulting from accidental sodium nitrite poisoning.

11 men, aged 60 to 80, had been admitted to hospital with cyanosis and shock. In each instance illness occurred within 5 to 30 minutes after eating breakfast. They became dizzy, felt weak, and complained of abdominal cramps. Eight of them vomited and all had diarrhoea. Five of them became unconscious shortly after onset of symptoms. They had subnormal temperatures, cold extremities, and low blood pressures. In addition, all had cyanosis. All but one patient recovered. This man, age 82, died the following morning. Autopsy revealed bronchopneumonia. The only other abnormal finding was a diffuse mahogany brown discoloration of the organs.

A 28-year-old man was brought to our emergency department because of transient loss of consciousness and cyanosis. He was immediately intubated and ventilated with 100% oxygen. A blood test revealed a methemoglobin level of 92.5%. Outcome. We treated the patient with gastric lavage, activated charcoal, and methylene blue (2 mg/kg) administered intravenously. Soon after receiving methylene blue, his cyanosis resolved and the methemoglobin level began to decrease. After relocation to the intensive care unit, his consciousness improved and he could recall ingesting approximately 15 g sodium nitrite about 1 hour before he was brought to our hospital. The patient was discharged on day 7 without neurologic impairment.

A woman in her 20s was brought to the casualty clinic due to symptoms of psychosis, and it was deemed necessary to section her. While she was there, she drank two small bottles of reagents that she found in a Strep test kit. She then became somnolent and her oxygen saturation decreased. Guidance from the Poisons Information Centre was required for rapid clarification and correct treatment.

We present two patients who were treated for an intentional overdose of sodium nitrite. When ingested sodium nitrite leads to severe methaemoglobinaemia, resulting in severe hypoxia (as methaemoglobin does not transport oxygen), vasodilation and hypotension. Symptoms include cyanosis, headache, nausea, convulsions, coma and death. When measured by pulse oximetry, patients with a sodium nitrite intoxication and severe methaemoglobinaemia generally have an oxygen saturation of around 85%. This value is unreliable as the oxygen content of the blood is often extremely low - this can be confirmed by arterial blood gas analysis. Treatment of sodium nitrite intoxication consists of intravenous administration of methylthioninium chloride 1-2 mg/kg. Methylthioninium chloride converts the methaemoglobin back to haemoglobin.

A 20-year-old man presented to the ED after intentional ingestion of 750 mg of powdered sodium nitrite(98% by weight). He had been experiencing major depressive disorder for the last 6 months but had not taken medicine recently. He was under stress from a college issue and felt pressured to succeed in the future. He remained depressed for most of the day and repeatedly thought of death. He prepared a pill by filling an empty pill capsule with sodium nitrite powder and taking it with water at home. One hour later, the patient visited the ED. He stated that he obtained information on how to make the suicide pill from an online suicide forum and purchased sodium nitrite online. He brought a bottle containing 500 grams of 98% sodium nitrite by weight that he purchased online (Fig. 3). He experienced only mild nausea a few minutes after ingesting a self-produced suicide pill. A physical examination revealed no signs of central or peripheral cyanosis, and the patient was hemodynamically stable. The initial methemoglobin level was 4.8. His methemoglobin level returned to normal 2 hours after ingestion. Methemoglobin levels did not change following repeated measurements. The patient recovered without any problems with conservative supportive treatment.

This person used low purity sodium nitrite, A 23-year-old male with a medical history significant for previous suicide attempts, polysubstance use disorder in remission from alcohol and benzodiazepine use, nicotine dependence, current marijuana use, bipolar disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder, and irritable bowel syndrome presented to the emergency department via emergency medical services (EMS) after intentional overdose. Patient reported ingesting 2 teaspoons of sodium nitrite he obtained from Walmart.com 6 hours before presentation in an attempt to end his life.The patient reported losing consciousness after ingestion and waking up in his own vomit and feces. He felt confused and called EMS. In the emergency department (ED), the patient acknowledged nausea, vomiting, and bowel incontinence. He complained of severe diffuse abdominal pain that was 8/10 in severity. He had used marijuana that day. He denied chest pain, shortness of breath, coingestion with other prescription drugs, over-the-counter drugs, street drugs, and ethanol. He had no auditory hallucinations, current suicidal ideation, or current homicidal ideation. Patient was released with no damage.

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SN Success rate 83%. Less than 20% reported pain


44/53 of those that took it on purpose died (89% of men died, 67% of women, but the sample size for women was smaller)
Even 57% of those that were hospitalized died
In 95 cases, it was possible to collect information relating to the symptoms (Figure 3). The symptoms that were most commonly presented were cyanosis of the face and/or extremities (64; 48.49%), breathing abnormalities (64; 48.49%), altered level of consciousness (57; 43.18%), dizziness (30; 22.73%), vomiting (28; 21.21%), nausea (22; 16.67%), pain (headache: 18, 13.64%; abdominal pain: 1, 0.76%, and chest pain: 1, 0.76%), and tachycardia (19; 14.39%).

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No it does not. People lose consciousness as far as i can tell. They feel dizzy and nauseous and may or may not have a headache.
 
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no, these responses are false.

the feeling of suffocation is caused by CO2 build-up in the lungs, NOT by cyanosis. the reason why people suffocate with low oxygen is either due to blocked airway, pnumonia, or inhaling co2

if this were to be the case with SN poisoning, then by the same logic the inert gas method would be suffocating because of the low oxygen level, yet it is considered one of the most painless methods possible.

by that same logic you could also say that people who died on mount everest from hypoxia suffocated, yet its impossible to tell whether or not hypoxia is happening to you until you start to notice that you feel weaker, more lightheaded, nothing like suffocation.
If CO2 buildup is what suffocation feels like, I would be terrified. Having done breath holding training before the feeling is NOT pleasant at all; the SI is real, though I don't think that would really matter much with SN besides making it less peaceful.
 
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If CO2 buildup is what suffocation feels like, I would be terrified. Having done breath holding training before the feeling is NOT pleasant at all; the SI is real, though I don't think that would really matter much with SN besides making it less peaceful.
That's what I was hoping would not happen.
 
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nessun_nome

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I don't seem to be able to find the answer, hence my post.
Since SN restricts the oxygen in the blood, wouldn't your body panic and feel the effects of suffocation making you try to breathe heavily to get more oxygen into your system?
If there is pain, that would only be for a short while but wouldn't you physically try to get as much oxygen as possible or would you be passed out by then?
If passed out, how long do you think that would take and what would the cause be?
Sorry if this has been asked before, I would just like to know before drinking it.

No. It doesn't work that way. The body doesn't measure oxygen levels in the blood (a bit of a design flaw really).
 
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Check out the SN podcasts PH who thought of this method, it should NOT cause suffocation. O2 is restricted but CO2 is still expelled. I have read posts on here of those that survived because they were found and have said that it was peaceful. The ones that reported gasping for breath could be other factors such as panicking, heart racing etc or could be prolifers. No one is 100% positive on this method but it's the most average way to go
 
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As far as derived from well documented attempts you will have shortness of breath and gasping after or right before unconcuisness as a result of death rattle mostly
I think from somepoint this is unavoidable even with N (reccomend to watch dignitas documentaries)
 
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Hypoxemia, low level of oxygen in the blood.

"In an acute context, hypoxemia can cause symptoms such as those in respiratory distress. These include breathlessness, an increased rate of breathing, use of the chest and abdominal muscles to breathe, and lip pursing."

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The human body has several mechanisms to control breathing, shortness of breath is not just caused by excess carbon dioxide.
We are talking about the very feeling of suffocation, NOT the hyperventilation that comes with cyanosis.
 
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We are talking about the very feeling of suffocation, NOT the hyperventilation that comes with cyanosis.
Hypoxemia causes shortness of breath and an urgent need to breathe = suffocation.

People think that CO2 is the only cause of suffocation. anything that reduces blood oxygen levels will cause a feeling of suffocation, it is a biological response to a lack of oxygen, this has nothing to do with CO2 or hyperventilation. Some people may be more or less sensitive to a lack of oxygen in their blood and experience it differently.

The only reason this doesn't happen with inert gas is because the loss of consciousness happens so fast that there is no time to feel anything.
 
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Hypoxemia causes shortness of breath and an urgent need to breathe = suffocation.

People think that CO2 is the only cause of suffocation. anything that reduces blood oxygen levels will cause a feeling of suffocation, it is a biological response to a lack of oxygen, this has nothing to do with CO2 or hyperventilation. Some people may be more or less sensitive to a lack of oxygen in their blood and experience it differently.

The only reason this doesn't happen with inert gas is because the loss of consciousness happens so fast that there is no time to feel anything.
I understand, but to my knowledge, the feeling of holding your breath and feeling pain is different than the hyperventilation, or the feeling that you aren't breathing well. I'm talking about the feeling of holding breath, which does not happen in hypoxemia to my knowledge, but rather as a feeling that the person is not receiving enough oxygen from their breaths
 
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I understand, but to my knowledge, the feeling of holding your breath and feeling pain is different than the hyperventilation, or the feeling that you aren't breathing well. I'm talking about the feeling of holding breath, which does not happen in hypoxemia to my knowledge, but rather as a feeling that the person is not receiving enough oxygen from their breaths
Yes, the feeling of CO2 suffocation is horrible and much more intense than hypoxemia. But hypoxemia is also unpleasant.
 
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From what I can tell I doesn't hurt.
I ingested approx. 1/4 the lethal dose of SN for my weight (in the name of science and to satiate my morbid curiosity) and it was enough to knock me out cold in few mins. Before my vision went black I did have shortness of breath but by no means did it feel like I was suffocating. It's a very specific sensation but it's not painful like, for example, holding your breath until you can't anymore and your lungs ache for air. It went like, I breathed in and the air was thin, as if there was no volume to it, so I involuntarily breathed faster and faster. Caused me to feel panicky but not aching. And then cut to black.
Can't tell you what happens after you take the whole whopping 20-25g though.
 
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From what I can tell I doesn't hurt.
I ingested approx. 1/4 the lethal dose of SN for my weight (in the name of science and to satiate my morbid curiosity) and it was enough to knock me out cold in few mins. Before my vision went black I did have shortness of breath but by no means did it feel like I was suffocating. It's a very specific sensation but it's not painful like, for example, holding your breath until you can't anymore and your lungs ache for air. It went like, I breathed in and the air was thin, as if there was no volume to it, so I involuntarily breathed faster and faster. Caused me to feel panicky but not aching. And then cut to black.
Can't tell you what happens after you take the whole whopping 20-25g though.
The feeling of shortness of breath in the SN is caused by hypoxemia, which is less intense than the feeling of breathlessness caused by CO2 when holding the breath.
 
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From what I can tell I doesn't hurt.
I ingested approx. 1/4 the lethal dose of SN for my weight (in the name of science and to satiate my morbid curiosity) and it was enough to knock me out cold in few mins. Before my vision went black I did have shortness of breath but by no means did it feel like I was suffocating. It's a very specific sensation but it's not painful like, for example, holding your breath until you can't anymore and your lungs ache for air. It went like, I breathed in and the air was thin, as if there was no volume to it, so I involuntarily breathed faster and faster. Caused me to feel panicky but not aching. And then cut to black.
Can't tell you what happens after you take the whole whopping 20-25g though.
How did you feel when you woke-up? Great first hand experience there-and hopefully your morbid curiosity is satiated now?! I'm not doing SN if I can't get benzos, I'll 100% panic if anything weird happens to my breathing, actually I know I'll just panic full stop. Good to know it doesn't feel like suffocating though. Did you feel dizzy and nauseous? Any pain in your stomach or headache?
 
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