Discussion Wondering about charcoal CO successes and failures

[GoodPersonEffed]

I'm curious as to why charcoal CO seems to be so popular in news reports, not just in Asia but also in Europe, and yet it's not discussed much on SS.

Here, we have lots of talk of SN successes and failures, but not CO successes and failures. SN seems more of a sure thing, but CO seems much more peaceful, and I can't really judge that it's any less successful because there's no anecdotal data to compare.

 

[calendulo]

There is a good threads about all variants using CO, from a generator, exhaust pipe and even charcoal.
CO is a good method but it has technical issues. Is called the sweet death.

 

[Anon2662]

I would prefer to use the CO method 100% and then if I can get my hands on it I want SN as my back up. Think CO sounds so peaceful! I want to research and get the set up right and use charcoal in a tent..

 

[Living sucks]

I have now researched SN a lot mostly reading of actual accounts i can find because i don't want even 5mins of thinking about regret or feeling pain. I know my SI is too strong it's been tested. After reading about moonicide i think it's impossible for me to get courage to drink it. With that I've started researching CO because i think you just go to sleep with no pain nausea vomiting stomach burn tingles taste groaning grasping for breath etc etc all the things i wish to not endure. The hard part for me is executing this method as i am not physically well enough to do such things as a tent and my car is not at my disposal. I don't want to risk anyone else in the process. How is the question? Even if the debreather was available, i think I'd rip it off as soon as I felt anything, it's goong to be that hard for me. I need to be able to just fall asleep and not know anything. I've reached out to megathread partners also. I know there are rules here but any ideas options welcomed

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I have now researched SN a lot mostly reading of actual accounts i can find because i don't want even 5mins of thinking about regret or feeling pain. I know my SI is too strong it's been tested. After reading about moonicide i think it's impossible for me to get courage to drink it. With that I've started researching CO because i think you just go to sleep with no pain nausea vomiting stomach burn tingles taste groaning grasping for breath etc etc all the things i wish to not endure. The hard part for me is executing this method as i am not physically well enough to do such things as a tent and my car is not at my disposal. I don't want to risk anyone else in the process. How is the question? Even if the debreather was available, i think I'd rip it off as soon as I felt anything, it's goong to be that hard for me. I need to be able to just fall asleep and not know anything. I've reached out to megathread partners also. I know there are rules here but any ideas options welcomed

I have a chimney starter for charcoal, and the supplies for spreading it out when it cools, and for putting water underneath to pull down the residual heat.

I also have a mesh mosquito tent, it's a small tent that goes over the upper third to half the body, and covers the rest like a blanket. To keep out the air and keep in the CO I will cover it with blankets. I'm not a large person but not particularly small either, just short. There is plenty of room to put next to me a container with the charcoals, but I could also sit up with the container on my lap. The tent is a dark green color and is sold on the site with the name of a Brazilian river.

 

[BlackPoppet]

I have now researched SN a lot mostly reading of actual accounts i can find because i don't want even 5mins of thinking about regret or feeling pain. I know my SI is too strong it's been tested. After reading about moonicide i think it's impossible for me to get courage to drink it. With that I've started researching CO because i think you just go to sleep with no pain nausea vomiting stomach burn tingles taste groaning grasping for breath etc etc all the things i wish to not endure. The hard part for me is executing this method as i am not physically well enough to do such things as a tent and my car is not at my disposal. I don't want to risk anyone else in the process. How is the question? Even if the debreather was available, i think I'd rip it off as soon as I felt anything, it's goong to be that hard for me. I need to be able to just fall asleep and not know anything. I've reached out to megathread partners also. I know there are rules here but any ideas options welcomed

pm me if you need to chat about this.

 

[Living sucks]

You just will have no idea if the CO is enough i guess? I don't have access to all that and again not physically well/capable. Geez you need to be healthy to pull this one off bcuz it really has to be outdoors to avoid hurting others. I could rent a car possibly which would be better than my own anyway. But there is major science behind the charcoals bcuz of too smoky you suffer but if not enough CO no success. I need to read more. I'm one of those people who needs someone else to pull it off for me while i just ride along but only bcuz I'm not well But at least i can pay for the supplies.

 

[BlackPoppet]

You just will have no idea if the CO is enough i guess? I don't have access to all that and again not physically well/capable. Geez you need to be healthy to pull this one off bcuz it really has to be outdoors to avoid hurting others. I could rent a car possibly which would be better than my own anyway. But there is major science behind the charcoals bcuz of too smoky you suffer but if not enough CO no success. I need to read more. I'm one of those people who needs someone else to pull it off for me while i just ride along but only bcuz I'm not well But at least i can pay for the supplies.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

You just will have no idea if the CO is enough i guess? I don't have access to all that and again not physically well/capable. Geez you need to be healthy to pull this one off bcuz it really has to be outdoors to avoid hurting others. I could rent a car possibly which would be better than my own anyway. But there is major science behind the charcoals bcuz of too smoky you suffer but if not enough CO no success. I need to read more. I'm one of those people who needs someone else to pull it off for me while i just ride along but only bcuz I'm not well But at least i can pay for the supplies.

From my reading, I think the amount to fill the chimney starter will be plenty for that small space. I plan on doing indoors, but I live alone and won't be interrupted, so the CO shouldn't be a problem for anyone entering the room after a few days.

Sorry to hear you have so many challenges in carrying out a plan.

 

[one4all]

From my reading, I think the amount to fill the chimney starter will be plenty for that small space. I plan on doing indoors, but I live alone and won't be interrupted, so the CO shouldn't be a problem for anyone entering the room after a few days.

Sorry to hear you have so many challenges in carrying out a plan.

Just out of curiosity. Wouldn't starting the charcoal on fire in your place, before it's burnt enough ( turning grey). cause any alarm?

 

[Living sucks]

Yes too many challenges and strong SI means i just keep suffering. My existence is a cruel joke. Don't suppose you can share and want to go sometime soon? You seem too intelligent and enlightened to want to exit. And you're happy for people who change their mind so seems you're more on the living side but i know we all have demons that haunt.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Just out of curiosity. Wouldn't starting the charcoal on fire in your place, before it's burnt enough ( turning grey). cause any alarm?

No, I would start it outside and bring it indoors when it cooled off. Burning indoors would cause smoke damage and it would also be hard to breathe.

 

[one4all]

No, I would start it outside and bring it indoors when it cooled off. Burning indoors would cause smoke damage and it would also be hard to breathe.

I have neighbors. So that might look odd in this cold season, starting it on the porch and bringing it inside. If i failed to see you staring it outside first, i'm sorry.
Sorry the grammar police are after me.

 

[Living sucks]

I tried this method over a year ago in a small storage closet in an abandoned building. I let the charcoals burn off for about 40 minutes and when the smoke stopped and the charcoal was just glowing, i took it into the room. I let it sit in there for about 15 minutes then went inside and sealed up all the cracks with duct tape. I had gone through two rolls by the end of it as I applied some all around the door before I entered the room. Ten minutes went by and I felt nothing. Then, I noticed a feeling of tiredness coming over me and slumped my body against the wall thinking that I was about to pass out. Roughly 2-3 minutes later, I felt a little short of breath and had to take faster breaths in order to not panic. Another 1-2 minutes went by and alarms were going off in my brain and I felt like I was suffocating - very unpleasant. I decided I had no choice to abort as I knew I was about to head into a full blown panic attack and burst through that door eventually. I forced the door open which had become stuck due to all the tape, and immediately collapsed on the ground. I couldn't even walk so I just lay there for 15 minutes trying to breathe. Eventually I got up and managed to walk around slumped over and while having to take frequent breaks. I went to an open window in the building and sat there for 2 hours with the exception of going back at some point to bring the coals outside. Took me 4 hours until I felt like I could breathe properly.

So yeah I don't understand what people say about CO being peaceful. I probably should have knocked myself out with drugs beforehand.

Dammit! Are you sure you didn't have still too much smoke? Any smoke and you will not breath well. If there was any smoke i would not be able to last 5 seconds. I despise smoke. And dammit i really thought this was going to be easier than SN. I planned to not sleep for a day or 2 beforehand so I'd be really tired and could take a few extra clorazapine. Then just thought I'd doze off and not know the CO was even there. Maybe charcoal isn't the way and other means of CO will be better?

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Yes too many challenges and strong SI means i just keep suffering. My existence is a cruel joke. Don't suppose you can share and want to go sometime soon? You seem too intelligent and enlightened to want to exit. And you're happy for people who change their mind so seems you're more on the living side but i know we all have demons that haunt.

I doubt we live in the same country, otherwise I would potentially consider sharing. I certainly won't use the whole bag.

Thank you for the kind words. Like my username says, I'm a good person effed. It is circumstances outside my control that cause me to plan for an exit. They're not going to get better, and they will get worse, I just don't know when that will happen and when the right moment to exit will be. I don't talk about the situation here as I don't need any input and no one can help except to just be themselves and keep me from isolation. I don't want to die, I've worked very hard for a very long time to heal and become a person I like and respect, but suicide is a rational response. I take comfort in knowing the world will not be better for my leaving, but leaving the world will at some point be better for me. In the meantime, I'm here interacting with people, trying to have positive experiences, and trying to benefit others, sometimes regarding ctb, sometimes in recovery or just managing life better when possible while it's still going.

I tried this method over a year ago in a small storage closet in an abandoned building. I let the charcoals burn off for about 40 minutes and when the smoke stopped and the charcoal was just glowing, i took it into the room. I let it sit in there for about 15 minutes then went inside and sealed up all the cracks with duct tape. I had gone through two rolls by the end of it as I applied some all around the door before I entered the room. Ten minutes went by and I felt nothing. Then, I noticed a feeling of tiredness coming over me and slumped my body against the wall thinking that I was about to pass out. Roughly 2-3 minutes later, I felt a little short of breath and had to take faster breaths in order to not panic. Another 1-2 minutes went by and alarms were going off in my brain and I felt like I was suffocating - very unpleasant. I decided I had no choice to abort as I knew I was about to head into a full blown panic attack and burst through that door eventually. I forced the door open which had become stuck due to all the tape, and immediately collapsed on the ground. I couldn't even walk so I just lay there for 15 minutes trying to breathe. Eventually I got up and managed to walk around slumped over and while having to take frequent breaks. I went to an open window in the building and sat there for 2 hours with the exception of going back at some point to bring the coals outside. Took me 4 hours until I felt like I could breathe properly.

So yeah I don't understand what people say about CO being peaceful. I probably should have knocked myself out with drugs beforehand.

Thank you for sharing your experience, it was really educational. I'm sorry you went through it, you have my compassion and I'm sending a hug if wanted.

What I take from this as a lesson is to leave the CO in the room unattended for quite awhile before entering so that it has a chance to build up the PPM. When the PPM is high enough, then there are less symptoms and quicker death (for other readers, see chart on CO megathread). Of course, there wouldn't be time to seal up the doors since a loss of consciousness would happen quickly, not sure how to get around that except for perhaps putting a towel in front of the outside of the door until ready to enter and then bringing it inside and replacing on the other side.

Same with a tent, the cooling charcoal needs to be inside for awhile after cooling to build up the CO, then enter after a sufficient amount of time has passed. Remember that charcoal can emit CO for 3 to 4 hours after cooling. It emits more when cooled, not when smoking.

 

[Living sucks]

I take this very serious btw. Im not posting any goodbye threads. I'm a good person effed as well. Super healthy until one very poor decision that ruined my health and life. I just know the next attempt has to be successful or i will be locked up or in a group home monitored and unwillingly medicated. I don't want to go either but unfortunately I'm expiring everyday anyway

I doubt we live in the same country, otherwise I would potentially consider sharing. I certainly won't use the whole bag.

Thank you for the kind words. Like my username says, I'm a good person effed. It is circumstances outside my control that cause me to plan for an exit. They're not going to get better, and they will get worse, I just don't know when that will happen and when the right moment to exit will be. I don't talk about the situation here as I don't need any input and no one can help except to just be themselves and keep me from isolation. I don't want to die, I've worked very hard for a very long time to heal and become a person I like and respect, but suicide is a rational response. I take comfort in knowing the world will not be better for my leaving, but leaving the world will at some point be better for me. In the meantime, I'm here interacting with people, trying to have positive experiences, and trying to benefit others, sometimes regarding ctb, sometimes in recovery or just managing life better when possible while it's still going.


Thank you for sharing your experience, it was really educational. I'm sorry you went through it, you have my compassion and I'm sending a hug if wanted.

What I take from this as a lesson is to leave the CO in the room unattended for quite awhile before entering so that it has a chance to build up the PPM. When the PPM is high enough, then there are less symptoms and quicker death (for other readers, see chart on CO megathread). Of course, there wouldn't be time to seal up the doors since a loss of consciousness would happen quickly, not sure how to get around that except for perhaps putting a towel in front of the outside of the door until ready to enter and then bringing it inside and replacing on the other side.

Same with a tent, the cooling charcoal needs to be inside for awhile after cooling to build up the CO, then enter after a sufficient amount of time has passed. Remember that charcoal can emit CO for 3 to 4 hours after cooling. It emits more when cooled, not when smoking.

Are you in Canada or Europe? I will read megathread but what else emits CO. Have to be small gas appliances for yardwork etc. but noisy.

 

[Donk]

ive seen pictures of people ctb in a car using CO method. seems like a better spot using this method

 

[Living sucks]

No smoke at all. When I took the coals in, they were simply glowing.

That way and taking drugs beforehand to blackout are the only 2 ways I can see this CO method working comfortably. It's a technically complex method and I will never try it again. Only reason I did was because /suicide/ on 8chan was obsessed with it and a lot of users there posted helpful information.

Sounds like they need to be grey and coolinh Glowing is still hot.

And ugh @GoodPersonEffed i got to page 3 and holy crap it's so complicated. The set up is extensive. I truly don't have the wits or strength and getting this equipment wouid raise flags as i don't have the ability where i am. I'm truly screwed and seems I'm stuck in this torturous hell until my body finally quits. Hence my user name f**k

Should be able to buy a tank of CO and a mask. Maybe my plan b I'd the only way but it can leave me more damaged and i can't risk being worse. That is OD on my meds. There are several ODs I've read with my med. i just can't be certain what qty to take and my malabsorption is so bad i don't even know if my system would process the meds or just pass thru me like everything else undigested. Sorry I'm rambling out loud

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Sounds like they need to be grey and coolinh Glowing is still hot.

And ugh @GoodPersonEffed i got to page 3 and holy crap it's so complicated. The set up is extensive. I truly don't have the wits or strength and getting this equipment wouid raise flags as i don't have the ability where i am. I'm truly screwed and seems I'm stuck in this torturous hell until my body finally quits. Hence my user name f**k

Should be able to buy a tank of CO and a mask. Maybe my plan b I'd the only way but it can leave me more damaged and i can't risk being worse. That is OD on my meds. There are several ODs I've read with my med. i just can't be certain what qty to take and my malabsorption is so bad i don't even know if my system would process the meds or just pass thru me like everything else undigested. Sorry I'm rambling out loud

Don't worry you're fine.

What meds? Wanna talk about it for a few posts? It's not like people have been rushing to the topic. @Hearth_56 has been a welcome exception. Not sure how you came to this older thread but I'm glad you restarted the conversation.

 

[Living sucks]

Don't worry you're fine.

What meds? Wanna talk about it for a few posts? It's not like people have been rushing to the topic. @Hearth_56 has been a welcome exception. Not sure how you came to this older thread but I'm glad you restarted the conversation.

I searched CO in search bar. med is clorazapine. I have about 23/20mg and 25/15mg meltaway tablets. I can keep accumulating over time also. I read of an OD with 2000mg but this was a young healthy male... i am not healthy and frail Female.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Are you in Canada or Europe?

I just saw this. I'm from the States but I live in Mexico.

I searched CO in search bar. med is clorazapine. I have about 23/20mg and 25/15mg meltaway tablets. I can keep accumulating over time also. I read of an OD with 2000mg but this was a young healthy male... i am not healthy and frail Female.

Do you mean clozapine?

 

[Living sucks]

I just saw this. I'm from the States but I live in Mexico.


Do you mean clozapine?

Yes and I'm close by. AZ

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Yes and I'm close by. AZ

I'm nowhere near the US border.

 

[Living sucks]

So i have access to AE's but can't drink the SN. Most people having issues getting the AE
And i meant relatively as it relates to say UK. It's a quick flight You're lucky I loved visiting there
But back to CO. I assume you picked it due to peacefulness maybe? With the accidental deaths and they sleep thru it you'd think it's praveful but now I'm worried. And the reports of some dying while others live in same tent or other worries me that I'll live and have more health issues. I know i can't jump hang or use gun, not brave enough.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

So i have access to AE's but can't drink the SN. Most people having issues getting the AE
And i meant relatively as it relates to say UK. It's a quick flight You're lucky I loved visiting there

Why can't you drink the SN?

Here are some Google search results for clozapine fatal overdose. Maybe there's something helpful here that you haven't already seen.

Spoiler

Schizophrenia patient took fatal overdose | cambrian-news.co.uk

A PENRHYNDEUDRAETH man with schizophrenia killed himself when he overdosed by taking up to a month’s worth of his anti-psychotic medication in the hours before his death.

www.cambrian-news.co.uk

Fatal overdose of clozapine

An ingestion of an unknown quantity of Leponex® (clozapine) tablets in a suicide is described. Although clozapine is known for over 30 years now, rela…

www.sciencedirect.com

Acute clozapine overdose: plasma concentration and outcome - PubMed

Clozapine is a tricyclic dibenzodiazepine derivative that is classified as an "atypical neuroleptic" drug for treatment of psychotic diseases. A 19-year-old schizophrenic female, treated with 400 mg clozapine per day, was admitted to the emergency department after ingestion of 5000 mg (50 x 100...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Potentially fatal complications of clozapine therapy: myocarditis, venous thromboembolism and constipation

www.medsafe.govt.nz

 

[muffin222]

I strongly considered CO as my method, but the stories of failed attempts scared me because the consequences of failing this method can be dire. If I had a meter, I would probably use this method. I just can't shake the fear of waking up brain-dead.

 

[Living sucks]

Why can't you drink the SN?

Here are some Google search results for clozapine fatal overdose. Maybe there's something helpful here that you haven't already seen.

Spoiler

Schizophrenia patient took fatal overdose | cambrian-news.co.uk

A PENRHYNDEUDRAETH man with schizophrenia killed himself when he overdosed by taking up to a month’s worth of his anti-psychotic medication in the hours before his death.

www.cambrian-news.co.uk

Fatal overdose of clozapine

An ingestion of an unknown quantity of Leponex® (clozapine) tablets in a suicide is described. Although clozapine is known for over 30 years now, rela…

www.sciencedirect.com

Acute clozapine overdose: plasma concentration and outcome - PubMed

Clozapine is a tricyclic dibenzodiazepine derivative that is classified as an "atypical neuroleptic" drug for treatment of psychotic diseases. A 19-year-old schizophrenic female, treated with 400 mg clozapine per day, was admitted to the emergency department after ingestion of 5000 mg (50 x 100...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Potentially fatal complications of clozapine therapy: myocarditis, venous thromboembolism and constipation

www.medsafe.govt.nz

I'm thinking i need about 1500mg The not knowing.
**edit @GoodPersonEffed and can't do SN after treading about moonicide. I don't want even 1 minute of tegtetting or pain or time to think. Need to go to sleep without knowing. It was 15-20 mins of (i think) pain and discomfort from the account.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

the stories of failed attempts scared me because the consequences of failing this method can be dire.

Can you direct us to the sources of any of these stories? That's the kind of info I was seeking in starting this thread.

 

[muffin222]

I'd recommend reading through this thread if you haven't already:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/carbon-monoxide-megathread.2053/

It's a lot of pages, but several people post stories of failed CO attempts as well as links to outside sources. It's a bit of a messy thread, but there's a lot of good information mixed in it

 

[Living sucks]

And Yes i read those links that's how i knew it was 2000mg for the man.