Help Will This Work?

[J F]

I have 19.2g of Propranolol, 45mg of benzos and Metoclopramide as an anti-emetic. Is this enough to ctb?
Do I need more benzos or something else like Verapamil to potentiate the effects of the Propranolol?

 

[Tthc]

Try to get more benzos if you can. That's enough Propranolol to kill a horse. No need to potentiate it. Do not take all this on an empty stomach. You need at least 12 hours for all this to run it's course. So make sure you are somewhere that you cannot be interrupted. Meto is a good antiemetic and dopamine blocker. It should do its job.

 

[J F]

Should I take all this with booze?

 

[EddieAllenPoe]

Honestly, sounds like a clusterfuck. Do you have any good reasons to believe this could actually kill you? I'm not saying you won't die if you take all of that... but I'm betting you're just going to suffer a bunch of terrible symptoms and wake up regretting it.

 

[dandan]

You like pain and discomfort huh?
Hope it doesn't hurts...

 

[J F]

Honestly, sounds like a clusterfuck. Do you have any good reasons to believe this could actually kill you? I'm not saying you won't die if you take all of that... but I'm betting you're just going to suffer a bunch of terrible symptoms and wake up regretting it.

To answer your first question yes I do. Google "Propranolol Overdose Deaths" and you will see a lot of examples of people dying from this. Also go on Google Scholar and type in "Propranolol Overdose Deaths" and there are a lot of examples of people dying from actual cases in emergency rooms.

To answer your second question about the suffering I only know of one case personally from someone who told me that after taking it they fell asleep and didn't feel any pain BUT woke up because they didn't take enough so they survived, they felt hungover when they woke up though and threw up a bit.

I am assuming this person is no longer with us since he told me he was going to try again with way more Propranolol and if I didn't hear from him again it worked.

Also there is a thread on here about Propranolol and in that thread there is someone talking about knowing people who ctb with it.

I need to have this amount because they are not barbiturates or opioids so way more is needed to actually ctb.

Also in another thread on here about overdoses you need the following to make an overdose work:

Something to help you sleep and relax which I have in the benzos
The actual drug that is going to make you ctb which I have
An antiemetic to make sure you don't throw any of this up which I have

So as you can see I put a lot of research and thought into this

The only thing I am worried about is the discomfort and pain during so I know in a previous response on this thread someone said I don't need anything else to potentiate it but I am strongly considering trying to get some verapamil to speed up the effects of the Propranolol so I fall asleep quicker and hopefully do so before feeling any pain and discomfort. Also I just saw a new case on google scholar where someone didn't survive after taking a combo of verapamil and Propranolol.

You like pain and discomfort huh?
Hope it doesn't hurts...

Please see my reply to Eddie Allen Poe on this thread.

 

[dandan]

looks like you've done your research.

May I ask how old are you?

 

[J F]

looks like you've done your research.

May I ask how old are you?

I am in my thirties.

 

[Tthc]

Should I take all this with booze?

Booze Not necessary unless you just want to get drunk. I just read your recent post and I did a little research of my own and found that the verapamil and Propranolol combo is truly deadly. So if you are still trying to get that verapamil it's a good idea.

I wasn't considering this method at all after reading about all the different threads here on different methods. But after doing my own homework on the subject I might seriously consider this verapamil + Propranolol Method.

 

[J F]

Booze Not necessary unless you just want to get drunk. I just read your recent post and I did a little research of my own and found that the verapamil and Propranolol combo is truly deadly. So if you are still trying to get that verapamil it's a good idea.

I wasn't considering this method at all after reading about all the different threads here on different methods. But after doing my own homework on the subject I might seriously consider this verapamil + Propranolol Method.

I just got my hands on some verapamil. It was funny actually. I made up a story of having some bad migraines and I needed them and the doctor said be very careful with them and don't take too much at one time and especially with beta blockers like Propranolol because it could cause dangerously low blood pressure. The doctor just confirmed my research. Next step is a time and place.

 

[Tthc]

I just got my hands on some verapamil. It was funny actually. I made up a story of having some bad migraines and I needed them and the doctor said be very careful with them and don't take too much at one time and especially with beta blockers like Propranolol because it could cause dangerously low blood pressure. The doctor just confirmed my research. Next step is a time and place.

I am not surprised he confirmed your research. Let me know when you decide on a time and place. Remember you need time for it to all happen. At least 10 uninterupted hours. Here are some case studies on verapamil & Propranolol overdoses, just Verapamil overdoses and just Propranolol overdoses. I am barely scratching the surface here. There are way more out there, especially on google scholar. Let me know if you want more proof.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.861.2802&rep=rep1&type=pdf

Calcium channel antagonist and beta‐blocker overdose: antidotes and adjunct therapies

Management of cardiovascular instability resulting from calcium channel antagonist (CCB) or beta‐adrenergic receptor antagonist (BB) poisoning follows similar principles. Significant myocardial depression, bradycardia and hypotension result in ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Lipid rescue of massive verapamil overdose: a case report

Massive intentional verapamil overdose is a toxic ingestion which can cause multiorgan system failure and has no currently known antidote.The patient is a 41-year-old Caucasian woman who ingested 19.2 g of sustained release verapamil in a suicide attempt. ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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https://poisoncontrol.utah.edu/newsletters/pdfs/toxicology-today-archive/Vol1_No2.pdf

https://www.airmedicaljournal.com/article/S1067-991X(17)30335-8/pdf

Some of these people were found before the Propranolol and/or verapamil had time to take effect. That's why it's VERY important nobody finds you at all before these drugs have time to work.

 

[J F]

Wow this is a lot of info. Thanks. My verapramil/propranolol combo is looking more and more legit.

What is your email tthc? I got a site that I found after a serious online hunt using different search parameters. This site will blow your mind. Recorded cases of people ctb with all the different dosages of Propranolol and verapramil plus other drugs in the mix. Over 5 pages. I will send you the link once you give me your email address.

 

[Tthc]

My handle tthc with a proton mail account. Good. Once you send me the link I will send you some more info I found online through medical journals, cases in emergency departments all over the world, even a document from the fda dated a few years back on the dangers of beta blockers and calcium channel blockers either on their own or taken together. Also something pretty eye opening. Descriptions from people in a medical journal I found. These are survivors. Most of them took Propranolol and/or verapamil together with some other prescription meds primarily benzodiazepines. What they all said pretty much was how peaceful this was. They fell asleep pretty quickly feeling no pain and stayed asleep UNTIL they were either found before these meds had time to take effect OR they woke up because they realized later they didn't take enough. All the doses and weights are given for each of these individuals. So it will give you an idea of what doses might be needed for your weight. Anyway take a look at it. It's pretty informative.

Everyone on here talks about N, SN, opioids BUT according to my exhaustive data and research there are things right under their noses that are cheaper, easier to obtain and can allow one to ctb in a just as peaceful a manner if taken properly and within a certain time frame.

Verapamil and/of Propranolol. Think about it.

 

[Doondar]

My handle tthc with a proton mail account. Good. Once you send me the link I will send you some more info I found online through medical journals, cases in emergency departments all over the world, even a document from the fda dated a few years back on the dangers of beta blockers and calcium channel blockers either on their own or taken together. Also something pretty eye opening. Descriptions from people in a medical journal I found. These are survivors. Most of them took Propranolol and/or verapamil together with some other prescription meds primarily benzodiazepines. What they all said pretty much was how peaceful this was. They fell asleep pretty quickly feeling no pain and stayed asleep UNTIL they were either found before these meds had time to take effect OR they woke up because they realized later they didn't take enough. All the doses and weights are given for each of these individuals. So it will give you an idea of what doses might be needed for your weight. Anyway take a look at it. It's pretty informative.

Everyone on here talks about N, SN, opioids BUT according to my exhaustive data and research there are things right under their noses that are cheaper, easier to obtain and can allow one to ctb in a just as peaceful a manner if taken properly and within a certain time frame.

Verapamil and/of Propranolol. Think about it.

I have been searching through these threads on SS for awhile. I decided to become a member to start asking questions. This thread is very interesting to me.

Can you send that doc on the weights and doses of people who ctb on verapamil/Propranolol? Doondar (at) protonmail

Do you actually know anyone personally who ctb with this combo? Or tried but failed but told you why they failed? If you know of any survivors did they tell you it was peaceful?

I know the PPeH has all the methods but not a lot of data on success rates. A few here and there but not a statistically significant amount of people who succeeded. Where can I get this data? Specifically on N SN and the drug combos Propranolol/digoxin/morphine etc.

I know a lot of people on all these threads talk about SN and N but do they actually know anyone personally who succeeded? It sounds all anecdotal. Not solid.

I need real examples so I can properly make the right decision on ctb.