Discussion Will there come a point where suicide rights in society are regarded like abortion rights?

[diazepam23]

I studied ancient history and learned that suicide was viewed as neutral or even positive in ancient Rome.

Suicide in Rome.

Suicide and Senate (Reddit Thread)

The stigma really seems to have began after Christianity and even in our post-religious world, it carries a huge stigma in most parts of the world. Since abortion was once stigmatised as suicide but is now not really barring a few religious groups, will suicide follow the same? I know that a few countries in Europe (Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Switzerland) allow it for mental illnesses and Canada will allow it in 2027.

 

[RadioGaga]

I Genuinely don't think it'll be around I'm sorry! :(. Knowing how cruel this world can be I just don't think the pro lifers would allow for suicide for mental illness or suffering to exist! :(.

For the Canada law! :). I'm talking about! :(.

 

[BradGuy123]

The pro-lifers will never accept suicide. Regarding your abortion analogy they got Roe v Wade overturned by the Supreme Court a few years ago. Now abortion is illegal in many states.

 

[behindtheveil]

This world is a stark contradiction of what is supposed to be correct. Everything wrong is considered normal and what should be is a taboo. To reaffirm your point on how it was considered normal in ancient times, society had a brain to think and now we have twitter and brain fog. Plus, we are in a downward spiral so little hope unless the rich decide or food supplies dwindle.

 

[unluckysadness]

Society is sick. Unfortunately we need to do it ourselves for the moment (as long as suicide is seen as a crime).

 

[Aflame5926]

i happend to make a suggestion to maybe use surveys or some form of data to the outside that even mental health is something not the solution that they wish to think it is. stuck on mod revieuw tho.

but regardless i do think we need to make more noise. my xp with mental health is not positive at all. and i find it extreme alarming that there is not really solution if the things they think work doesnt work. so for now its indeed ourselves but i hope one day.

because the thing is mental health is also getting unreachable. there are plenty that want to be an organdonar so i would say there is a match in heaven.

 

[Bruce]

If cattle, or sheep or chicken would realize how exploited they are, how bad their lives are and decide to die instead of going on like that would you allow it? Well, maybe you would. But all other ordinary humans would not. Humans exploit all animals, including other humans. There is no mercy! I don't know why we have a word which describes a feeling which most humans have never experienced.

 

[xXSufferingXx]

good comparison between suicide and abortion rights, i never even thought about that.
wow

 

[Aflame5926]

If cattle, or sheep or chicken would realize how exploited they are, how bad their lives are and decide to die instead of going on like that would you allow it? Well, maybe you would. But all other ordinary humans would not. Humans exploit all animals, including other humans. There is no mercy! I don't know why we have a word which describes a feeling which most humans have never experienced.

that true. but if we dont do anything it atleast a little bit of a chance vs already lost case.

but also mental health is getting worser in worser. quality going back. in my country that is being covered which are just a big junk of money for each person.
so its comes to a point that they need to make a desicision what is worth it and what is not

 

[Bruce]

that true. but if we dont do anything it atleast a little bit of a chance vs already lost case.

Oh of course you have to do something if you can, if you are able! Fight it with action big or small in any way you can! I do. I think it's still lost but you can die free or live as a slave. I make my choice every day until the last day.

 

[Aflame5926]

Oh of course you have to do something if you can, if you are able! Fight it with action big or small in any way you can! I do. I think it's still lost but you can die free or live as a slave. I make my choice every day until the last day.

fair enough. i do the same basicly.

also dont post anymore xD you have an epic number

 

[FuneralCry]

It needs to be as to me ceasing to exist is the positive solution to find true permanent peace from all pain and suffering in this existence that never should had been imposed, to me existence really is always the most terrible, cruel mistake that just causes all this torture with no limit as to how much agony one can feel.

It's just so horrific how humans have made dying painlessly into a crime with the suffering and torture of existing seen as to force and prolong no matter what, I always suffer so unbearably from existing in this horrific world where it's a crime to want to never suffer ever again, it's terrifying to me how the torture of existing can continue for decades longer just for one to face the agony of old age.

 

[Bruce]

fair enough. i do the same basicly.

also dont post anymore xD you have an epic number

Haha! Had an epic number. : )

edit: And I salute you for doing what you think it's right!

 

[favouriteworstnight]

where i live abortion is illegal, dying people who are suffering a lot can't take a medication and die, i doubt it. idk about the rest of the world but i don't think so

 

[no71]

a government's solution to a high rate of suicide should be to improve its society into one that people would want to live in. unfortunately, instead of addressing the root of the problem, our governments just ban the methods used.

 

[Forveleth]

Abortion rights that appear and disappear when different parties are in control of the government (in the US)? Yeah, I do not want to have to time killing myself on a favorable election cycle.

 

[Leorio Paradinight]

"The laws prohibiting suicide and providing punishment for any attempt at self-destruction have been repealed. The government has seen fit to acknowledge the right of man to end an existence which may have become intolerable to him, through physical suffering or mental despair. It is believed that the community will be benefited by the removal of such people from their midst. Since the passage of this law, the number of suicides in the United States has not increased."

I believe the result would be the same irl, but I can't lie, for some reason it does feel a little dystopian.

 

[Aflame5926]

"The laws prohibiting suicide and providing punishment for any attempt at self-destruction have been repealed. The government has seen fit to acknowledge the right of man to end an existence which may have become intolerable to him, through physical suffering or mental despair. It is believed that the community will be benefited by the removal of such people from their midst. Since the passage of this law, the number of suicides in the United States has not increased."

I believe the result would be the same irl, but I can't lie, for some reason it does feel a little dystopian.

well slowly in some country getting eunthansia im not saying it go fast but its in a snail speed changing. probally snail is faster tho

Countries Where Euthanasia is Legal 2026

Details regarding which countries offer legal euthanasia and the specific criteria that patients must meet in order to be legally euthanized.

worldpopulationreview.com

 

[Life's not a comedy]

In the States I think we're still a good few hundred years away from that unfortunately

 

[TAW122]

I don't think there will ever (likely) be a point where people would just have something akin to that of futurama suicide booths or death on demand services. However, I could see the world having more jurisdictions and laws that allow for more peaceful, dignified deaths when people are terminally ill, or at least chronically ill. The next step for people who are likely to have the right to die, assisted suicide, medical assistance in dying, would of course, be the expansion of eligibility not just for the terminally ill, but even for those who are non-terminal, with permanent, severe debilitating conditions (physical and perhaps mental as well).

While countries like Canada have expanded MAID a lot, they have, at least since 2021 or even 2023 (and still ongoing) pushing the goalpost when it comes to removing the 'exclusion of those whose sole underlying condition is mental illness' to access MAID. This means that those who are eligible (or will be) are those with severe physical debilitating conditions, like ALS, quadriplegia, and/or other severe, likely permanent conditions that are irremediable and even if death is not in the foreseeable future (e.g. six months or less). So for those who wish to go due to treatment resistant depression or any other (likely permanent, yet death not in the foreseeable future) mental condition would not qualify. I also would not be surprised if by 2027 they just perpetually and continually extend the exclusion every time it gets close to the clock (which de facto means it is permanently postponed). In such a case, those who wish to go would resort to either risky means or DIY, or having to qualify (or even go elsewhere - assuming they qualify elsewhere) by some other criteria.

In the States I think we're still a good few hundred years away from that unfortunately

I don't wish it is true, but given how backwards the USA is in terms of modern secular values (thanks to religion having a stronghold in the US and it's culture), sadly that is still far from becoming a reality.

 

[The Dead Line]

I am laughing while I am reading your topic. We have no rights to end our life for sure. Who will fill the gas for the multi millionaire guy ? The fucking poor poor person

 

[AdeptFenster8773]

No support for the idea that life is more good than bad and any misfortune is only temporary is too popular compared to the contrary.

 

[_Gollum_]

Probably not. The pro-life bias is too deeply ingrained in our culture. Most people believe that existence is always better than non-existence, and that everyone should try to experience joy and have a good life, no matter how much you're suffering. They think suffering can be fixed, that there might always come a time later where you're glad to be alive. They think voluntary death is evidence of illness, that there's something wrong with you that needs to be treated. They think suicide is so beyond the pale that they're willing to lock you up in a psych ward against your consent to prevent you from doing it.

Despite the advancements of MAID, I only see more and more "suicide prevention" campaigns as time goes on. I can't even take the metro without seeing a sign telling you to call a suicide hotline if you're considering CTB. I think MAID will stop expanding at "grievous and long-lasting mental illness." I doubt someone like me, who has never taken antidepressants or tried a real 'treatment', would ever be eligible.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I doubt it. Because ultimately- abortion rights and suicide prevention both suit would- be parents/ parents. They're two different things. Abortion allows people to get rid of a child they don't want to have- for whatever reason. Assisted suicide would be killing a child they (presumably) did want to have. I imagine a lot of the objection towards assisted suicide comes from parents.

It would be nice if we became more understanding as a society. Perhaps we will somewhat. I imagine eventually- VAD will be introduced for the terminally and chronically ill. But, I imagine there will always be very strict gate keeping.

Also- suicide in Roman times was only permitted under certain circumstances. Not everyone was free to take their own lives. I don't think servants or soldiers were allowed- for instance.

I imagine it ties into the economy. Unless things change and the rich and powerful no longer need workers and consumers, I doubt suicide will be freely allowed.