Placo
At Eternity's Gates
- Feb 14, 2024
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I read the Wikipedia page regarding this forum and it says that even if it frames itself as a pro-choice site it is actually pro-suicide, the page at the moment is semi-protected so only those who are registered can edit it, in theory I am registered but I fear that if I edit it, an edit war could break out in which I would have the worst, the thing that makes me laugh is that Wikipedia itself has a page on suicide methods which until a few years ago didn't even have a message where it indicated resources for asking for help, now they put a writing before the beginning of the article that says "For information on methods of suicide intervention, see Suicide prevention.".
Here is the link for those interested in reading it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctioned_Suicide
And here the link to their page about suicide methods: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_methods
I've been here recently and honestly the air seems quite pro-choice to me, it's certainly an important resource given that nowhere else you can discuss methods, at least on the clear web, I read on that page that this forum was initially a subreddit, a subreddit that survived is r/suicidewatch but there it is not possible to talk about methods which in my opinion makes it a pro-life subreddit and not a pro-choice one like this forum, here there is both a section for methods and for recovery so I don't think you can do more neutral than that.
It is important that there is a forum like this since we boast so much about freedom in the West, freedom also means deciding what to do with your life, forcing people to live is dictatorial, as well as forcing them to commit suicide.
I am surprised to have found such a forum after so many years of being suicidal (although not always) and having only access to pro-life resources, this forum is considered as the heir of alt.suicide.holiday which is a Usenet newsgroup but which when I had started to be suicidal I thought it had been closed, now reading the Wikipedia page regarding it it seems that it has never been closed even if it seems it was not moderated and therefore had a high level of trolling, at this point I don't know whether to use the past or the present since according to the article it seems to still be there but I don't think I will visit it because this forum is undoubtedly better.
The article also says that the founders of this forum identify themselves with the ideology of the manosphere and have other forums where violence against women is downplayed or advocated, honestly this thing interests me relatively, as long as it is true, the important thing is that there is a good atmosphere within this forum, which is supportive both in helping someone to find ways to kill themselves (obviously without instigating) and in helping people to overcome suicidal thoughts if they wanted to, this makes it a superior resource to those where it is forbidden to discuss methods when suicide at least in the the West is now legal so it is not clear why this censorship should exist.
In reality I got an idea of why it exists and it is due to the fact that a person with mental disorders is considered as a person less capable of judgment than a healthy person, it seems quite obvious to me that having mental disorders makes it easier for a person to think about suicide, however, seems a bit dictatorial to me, so is suicide only okay if you don't have mental disorders? Or not even then?
I think the controversy also lies in the fact that at least in my country suicide itself is legal but aiding or inciting it is not, which makes it a fairly unique legislative issue, something I found a bit similar it is tobacco smoking which is legal for adults in my country and also a state monopoly but at the same time discouraged, or with cash winning games which can potentially be addictive and ruin you financially, also in this case they try to dissuade even if less than with tobacco but at the same time it is encouraged. One thing that surprises me is how easy they are with alcohol, at least in my country, when I read that it is considered a worse drug than heroin although there is obviously not universal agreement with this statement.
I apologize if I digressed a bit from the title but it started this flow of thought in me and I wanted to write it.
Here is the link for those interested in reading it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctioned_Suicide
And here the link to their page about suicide methods: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_methods
I've been here recently and honestly the air seems quite pro-choice to me, it's certainly an important resource given that nowhere else you can discuss methods, at least on the clear web, I read on that page that this forum was initially a subreddit, a subreddit that survived is r/suicidewatch but there it is not possible to talk about methods which in my opinion makes it a pro-life subreddit and not a pro-choice one like this forum, here there is both a section for methods and for recovery so I don't think you can do more neutral than that.
It is important that there is a forum like this since we boast so much about freedom in the West, freedom also means deciding what to do with your life, forcing people to live is dictatorial, as well as forcing them to commit suicide.
I am surprised to have found such a forum after so many years of being suicidal (although not always) and having only access to pro-life resources, this forum is considered as the heir of alt.suicide.holiday which is a Usenet newsgroup but which when I had started to be suicidal I thought it had been closed, now reading the Wikipedia page regarding it it seems that it has never been closed even if it seems it was not moderated and therefore had a high level of trolling, at this point I don't know whether to use the past or the present since according to the article it seems to still be there but I don't think I will visit it because this forum is undoubtedly better.
The article also says that the founders of this forum identify themselves with the ideology of the manosphere and have other forums where violence against women is downplayed or advocated, honestly this thing interests me relatively, as long as it is true, the important thing is that there is a good atmosphere within this forum, which is supportive both in helping someone to find ways to kill themselves (obviously without instigating) and in helping people to overcome suicidal thoughts if they wanted to, this makes it a superior resource to those where it is forbidden to discuss methods when suicide at least in the the West is now legal so it is not clear why this censorship should exist.
In reality I got an idea of why it exists and it is due to the fact that a person with mental disorders is considered as a person less capable of judgment than a healthy person, it seems quite obvious to me that having mental disorders makes it easier for a person to think about suicide, however, seems a bit dictatorial to me, so is suicide only okay if you don't have mental disorders? Or not even then?
I think the controversy also lies in the fact that at least in my country suicide itself is legal but aiding or inciting it is not, which makes it a fairly unique legislative issue, something I found a bit similar it is tobacco smoking which is legal for adults in my country and also a state monopoly but at the same time discouraged, or with cash winning games which can potentially be addictive and ruin you financially, also in this case they try to dissuade even if less than with tobacco but at the same time it is encouraged. One thing that surprises me is how easy they are with alcohol, at least in my country, when I read that it is considered a worse drug than heroin although there is obviously not universal agreement with this statement.
I apologize if I digressed a bit from the title but it started this flow of thought in me and I wanted to write it.
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regardless, SaSu certainly isn't, having an entire section dedicated to recovery. along w the big portion of users here that have a tendency towards encouraging ppl not to die, or @ the least, hinting @/suggesting alternatives to suicide. def a pro choice forum, through & through.
