I’vehadenough

I’vehadenough

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Sep 15, 2018
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So many deaths can be prevented by legalizing suicide. Many people commit suicide on impulse (a breakup) and are afraid to tell anyone because they don't want to end up in a mental ward. If they could be open about their plans, bad feelings of lonliness and isolation might subside and they would probably change their minds.

For those of us who are dealing with something chronic, legalizing suicide would give us the option for assisted suicide so that we would not risk harming ourselves in the process. We are suffering from a fate worse than death and we don't deserve to die alone by brutal methods
 
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Worndown

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You would need to ask our conservative old white male leadership pool. I hear them huff and puff about God periodically, so any answer they give may cause more pain than the question.
 
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TimeToBiteTheDust

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So many deaths can be prevented by legalizing suicide. Many people commit suicide on impulse (a breakup) and are afraid to tell anyone because they don't want to end up in a mental ward. If they could be open about their plans, bad feelings of lonliness and isolation might subside and they would probably change their minds.

For those of us who are dealing with something chronic, legalizing suicide would give us the option for assisted suicide so that we would not risk harming ourselves in the process. We are suffering from a fate worse than death and we don't deserve to die alone by brutal methods
Totally agree.
 
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TAW122

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Absolutely 100% agreed. Also with the current processes that allow euthanasia and assisted suicide (Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland to name a few), they do have strict criteria on who gets approved and who doesn't. I think in a more compassionate society, it would have to go further than that, extending these services to people who are suffering immensely mentally, psychologically, and not just physically or the terminally ill.
 
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purplemoon

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Yes, and another good point to add is that especially if it is an adult, it is a matter of knowing better than anyone what they can or cannot endure any longer without becoming miserable, unhappy, and exhausted.

Prolifers frequently say 'there's help out there' (maybe for a small percentage it 'helps', but for many it makes almost no difference) and to put it bluntly:

To tell me/you that it is 'sad' if we die, is SELFISH, because as long as you are an adult who is tired of suffering, our death makes them sad and they 'feel better' if we are around.

HOWEVER, if you were imprisoned in a horrible place where the majority of the time you were suffering immensely and just begged to finally escape... BUT prolifers said "NO... We will find you 'help' to cope and STAY in the torturous place... HOW THE H*LL IS THAT JUSTIFIED?!?

Just so *they feel better*?!? The person suffering 24 hours a day, 7 days a week is the one who has the right to decide... NOT the person who wants them to still be around despite their suffering and offer nonsense that does not give them relief.

I want to tell those people, your 'help' consists of ILLUSIONS, that make YOU feel better, NOT ME.
 
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I’vehadenough

I’vehadenough

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Yes, and another good point to add is that especially if it is an adult, it is a matter of knowing better than anyone what they can or cannot endure any longer without becoming miserable, unhappy, and exhausted.

Prolifers frequently say 'there's help out there' (maybe for a small percentage it 'helps', but for many it makes almost no difference) and to put it bluntly:

To tell me/you that it is 'sad' if we die, is SELFISH, because as long as you are an adult who is tired of suffering, our death makes them sad and they 'feel better' if we are around.

HOWEVER, if you were imprisoned in a horrible place where the majority of the time you were suffering immensely and just begged to finally escape... BUT prolifers said "NO... We will find you 'help' to cope and STAY in the torturous place... HOW THE H*LL IS THAT JUSTIFIED?!?

Just so *they feel better*?!? The person suffering 24 hours a day, 7 days a week is the one who has the right to decide... NOT the person who wants them to still be around despite their suffering and offer nonsense that does not give them relief.

I want to tell those people, your 'help' consists of ILLUSIONS, that make YOU feel better, NOT ME.
Well said. They would rather have us suffer well than die and depend on drugs and the shady psych system the rest of our lives. It's profitable to them. I'd rather be dead than a slave to the system.
 
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Headingoutsoon

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It should be more then just legalized, it should be something that you can go to a clinic for.

I live in a state with Assisted Suicide for people with terminal physical health conditions. But, only a small portion of those people that start the process go through with it. This is because mainly thought to be the case because it takes forever to go through the process and a lot of people die from other means during it.

But, it should also be allowed for people with long term chronic depression. I feel that yes, you should have to go through counseling and take anti-depressants. But, if you have like 3 reoccuring episodes of extreme depression in 5 years even while on meds AND in counseling OR are still depressed that whole time? You should have the right to say you're done.

The likelyhood of lifetime ongoing depression or constant reoccurring episodes at that point is about 100% likely. Asking anyone to live with that is totally inhumane.

It should be like 3 very specialized counseling sessions after you say you want to go. Just to make sure you're sound of mind and really do want to CTB. There should be help to tell your family and deal with all your belongings etc etc.

ALSO; from the gross money side of things: it makes TONS of sense for there to be more assisted suicide for both physical and mental health issues. Most people that really suffer from both are on some kind of public health care. It would much much more cost effective to help us CTB then be a drain on the system for years and years and years.
 
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Heart of Ice

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I don't agree with the notion that suicidal people are necessarily mentally ill, or that assisting in suicide should be illegal.

I also don't really find the idea of legalized suicide in a clinic all that pleasant either. At least for mental disorders.

It's a bit of a pickle really. It feels like I have cognitive dissonance or something.

Many people commit suicide on impulse (a breakup) and are afraid to tell anyone because they don't want to end up in a mental ward.
Does this, like, happen in real life? I'm pretty sure that if you tell a friend/therapist/teacher/whatever that you are feeling suicidal, is their first reaction really to get you locked up in some mental ward? People on here talk about it like it's an everyday occurrence, and I'm having a hard time believing it.
 
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Nnana

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The minimum a decent, civilized society should have is the right to die for all. I say that because any idiot is free to have kids as they please, there's no law, no regulation, nothing to protect a potential child from a life of suffering. Many kids grow up with abusive parents and only suffer. If society allows people to have kids as they please. Why not allow these poor kids who are born with no choice, to freely exit as they please?
 
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MsMaudlin

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Dec 8, 2019
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It should be.
In the past 12 months I have had a rapid decline of health, I'm on more than 30 tablets a day and pretty much housebound.
My health isn't going to improve, I have no life, thats the main reason I'm going to CTB.

Peace and love ❤
 
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WhyIsLife56

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I don't agree with the notion that suicidal people are necessarily mentally ill, or that assisting in suicide should be illegal.

I also don't really find the idea of legalized suicide in a clinic all that pleasant either. At least for mental disorders.

It's a bit of a pickle really. It feels like I have cognitive dissonance or something.


Does this, like, happen in real life? I'm pretty sure that if you tell a friend/therapist/teacher/whatever that you are feeling suicidal, is their first reaction really to get you locked up in some mental ward? People on here talk about it like it's an everyday occurrence, and I'm having a hard time believing it.
It does happen in real life you just don't hear about it often.

The minimum a decent, civilized society should have is the right to die for all. I say that because any idiot is free to have kids as they please, there's no law, no regulation, nothing to protect a potential child from a life of suffering. Many kids grow up with abusive parents and only suffer. If society allows people to have kids as they please. Why not allow these poor kids who are born with no choice, to freely exit as they please?
I feel like I've seen this somewhere before but I can't remember. But yeah, right on, ❤️
No one consented to their birth. At least give them an exit option.
 
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I’vehadenough

I’vehadenough

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I don't agree with the notion that suicidal people are necessarily mentally ill, or that assisting in suicide should be illegal.

I also don't really find the idea of legalized suicide in a clinic all that pleasant either. At least for mental disorders.

It's a bit of a pickle really. It feels like I have cognitive dissonance or something.


Does this, like, happen in real life? I'm pretty sure that if you tell a friend/therapist/teacher/whatever that you are feeling suicidal, is their first reaction really to get you locked up in some mental ward? People on here talk about it like it's an everyday occurrence, and I'm having a hard time believing it.
Yes, I've known people who committed suicide on impulse because of a break up
It should be more then just legalized, it should be something that you can go to a clinic for.

I live in a state with Assisted Suicide for people with terminal physical health conditions. But, only a small portion of those people that start the process go through with it. This is because mainly thought to be the case because it takes forever to go through the process and a lot of people die from other means during it.

But, it should also be allowed for people with long term chronic depression. I feel that yes, you should have to go through counseling and take anti-depressants. But, if you have like 3 reoccuring episodes of extreme depression in 5 years even while on meds AND in counseling OR are still depressed that whole time? You should have the right to say you're done.

The likelyhood of lifetime ongoing depression or constant reoccurring episodes at that point is about 100% likely. Asking anyone to live with that is totally inhumane.

It should be like 3 very specialized counseling sessions after you say you want to go. Just to make sure you're sound of mind and really do want to CTB. There should be help to tell your family and deal with all your belongings etc etc.

ALSO; from the gross money side of things: it makes TONS of sense for there to be more assisted suicide for both physical and mental health issues. Most people that really suffer from both are on some kind of public health care. It would much much more cost effective to help us CTB then be a drain on the system for years and years and years.
I don't think you should have to be forced to take drugs first before you decide to ctb. I am not mentally ill. I am going to ctb because a doctor destroyed my body during a surgery that was supposed to be simple. Because this is extremely rare, it's difficult to get assisted suicide. I had to apply out of country. I think that if a doctor destroys your life, they should have the responsibility to end it
 
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The same people who say shit like 'it's your life, live it how you wanna' are the same ones who are anti suicide.
 
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issyishere

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Nov 5, 2019
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The same people who say shit like 'it's your life, live it how you wanna' are the same ones who are anti suicide.
Floating man in the sky will torture us for eternity if we commit suicide but genocide? genocide is cool beans (sarcasm)
 
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GoodPersonEffed

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Jan 11, 2020
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Absolutely 100% agreed. Also with the current processes that allow euthanasia and assisted suicide (Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland to name a few), they do have strict criteria on who gets approved and who doesn't. I think in a more compassionate society, it would have to go further than that, extending these services to people who are suffering immensely mentally, psychologically, and not just physically or the terminally ill.
I think it is in the Netherlands where the criteria are now broadening to approve for mental illness and general self-determination.
 
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I think it is in the Netherlands where the criteria are now broadening to approve for mental illness and general self-determination.
The problem with mental health is every always thinks you haven't got the capacity to make a judgement or decision becuase you're 'mentally ill'.
 
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GoodPersonEffed

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The same people who say shit like 'it's your life, live it how you wanna' are the same ones who are anti suicide.
I am in another controversial community and asked for help with a major issue I am having. I prefaced it by saying that it came up because ctb is a rational solution to the issues we face in that community, but could the same issues continue post-death, whether ctb or other causes? Made it clear to all that the underlined was the focus. Made it clear that if no one else had considered it and the crickets chirped, I would let it go and we could continue to another subject.

Most couldn't address the post-death question, so I suggested we move on. Wait a beat, then the conversation shifted to what people felt capable of addressing.

One responded that if you can't change the situation, and you don't know what happens after, then live the best life you can in what is.

It is her way of coping that works for her. I am considering it. There is still a small bit of best life, such as engaging on this forum. For her the worst does not yet sufficiently outweigh the best life she can live.

After that, the conversation rapidly deteriorated. Some were triggered by my bringing up ctb. A couple actually attacked, said such talk is not welcome, negated me, suggested I go to other resources for support, and gave me the impression that for them I turned into a monster, rather than seeing that the monster is the cause our suffering to the point that many of us do consider, and some ultimately choose, ctb because there is no other solution and the suffering is too immense. I did not pull their slot machines of hope that they are still relying on, like a loving god or a higher purpose or having any agency in the outcome.

What was positive for me was the confidence I've gotten from engaging here. I maintained my position and did not let them derail my thread, my purpose. When one claimed the venue was pro-life, I questioned if *it* was pro-life or if *she* was? Then she fired back, "Well what is then? Pro *death*?? And I responded, "What about pro-choice?" I said many times to move on from the conversation. A few others wanted to get their digs in, I maintained reason and repeated the suggestion to move on. We were all finally allowed to when the accusatory woman said to. It was clear she needed the power of the last word. I was already in my power, I let her have it. (The last word, that is.)

The whole thing was quite a study in conversations and how people need to empower the illusions that falsely empower them when the monster threatens. For many ctb is the monster rather than what causes it, and the one who does it or considers it becomes monstrous as well. By engaging with ctb, I got some of my power back, and I made into something smaller and non-threatening - a tool that may or may not be the best answer to my challenges. Just because I have a hammer, doesn't mean I've turned the challenge into a nail. But a hammer may be the only viable tool even if it isn't a nail.

And to make sure I stay on the topic of the thread, if ctb is my only viable solution, as it is for many situations, then it would be so damn nice if it were legal and safe. Safe options exist, the legality does not. Until it does, the solution itself is another huge problem.
 
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Nem

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Yes, I've known people who committed suicide on impulse because of a break up

I don't think you should have to be forced to take drugs first before you decide to ctb. I am not mentally ill. I am going to ctb because a doctor destroyed my body during a surgery that was supposed to be simple. Because this is extremely rare, it's difficult to get assisted suicide. I had to apply out of country. I think that if a doctor destroys your life, they should have the responsibility to end it
I'm sorry to hear what happened to you! The same thing happened to me and I fully agree the dr should help finish a person off if they screwed you up. It feels messed up when a person has to finish themselves off due to a mess up that they created
Peace/hugs❤️
 
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I say that because any idiot is free to have kids as they please, there's no law, no regulation, nothing to protect a potential child from a life of suffering. Many kids grow up with abusive parents and only suffer. If society allows people to have kids as they please. Why not allow these poor kids who are born with no choice, to freely exit as they please?
Maintaining children brings in money.
Money rules the world.
 
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I’vehadenough

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The problem with mental health is every always thinks you haven't got the capacity to make a judgement or decision becuase you're 'mentally ill'.
Yes, you are instantly discredited
 
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Excellent points that echo my own thoughts. In general I take a pro-choice stance but there are exceptions. People do ctb or do suicidal gestures on impulse due to short-term circumstances; if it can be determined that someone is in such a reactionary state they should intervene. However, people with long-term, chronic illness, including mental illness, who can reasonably predict their future (particularly in this sink-or-swim economy) should be given the right to choose.
 
WhyIsLife56

WhyIsLife56

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Anyone should have the right to end their own life. I mean there are kids even committing suicide. Just because you're an adult age and have cancer or something doesn't mean a high schooler has less of a right.
No one even asked to be born. Everyone should have the right. No exceptions.
 
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The nerd

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The fact that they make us live just to squeeze pennies out of us is terrible. They only want $$$ out of us. Can't pull dollars out of a corpse. If they could, ctb would be legal.
 
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I’vehadenough

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I meant to ask if people get sent off to mental wards as easily as people make it sound.
Yes. If you act frantic, they will send you away. I once told my friend I was suicidal bc something fucked up happened to me and she called the cops on me. They came over and since I knew the game, I pretended like I was just upset over something and didn't mean it
 
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The fact that they make us live just to squeeze pennies out of us is terrible. They only want $$$ out of us. Can't pull dollars out of a corpse. If they could, ctb would be legal.

The government wants you to live and pay taxes in their society so they can rule over you. The archons want you to live "physically" so can feed off of your emotional energy.

It's parasitic existence at all levels.
 
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Ghost2211

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Euthanasia in America is a joke. It also seems wrong to me that other people determine if someone is suffering en to die. The desire to die is not always mental illnesses in my opinion. It's never made sense to me that people assume it's better to live with very poor quality of life rather than remove oneself this world. The argument that things can get better is not always the case given how dependent we all are on financial stability for a good life.
 
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Diceroller90

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legalizing suicide would give us the option for assisted suicide so that we would not risk harming ourselves in the process.

give us the option for assisted suicide so that we would not risk harming ourselves in the process.

I am by no means am an expert in medicine, but don't you need to harm yourself to commit suicide? :P
 
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