TAW122

TAW122

Emissary of the right to die.
Aug 30, 2018
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Disclaimer/Notice: I am not advocating for violence or even suggesting this as a method, but merely sharing a story between I and someone else, and illustrating how impractical or bad this method is.

Almost 10 years ago, while I was a student at university, I went through rough patches and life sucked badly. During that time, I managed to build rapport and treated a well-meaning professor as a confidant. He was a ethics/philosophy professor and he thought similarly to me, empathized with my plight.

Anyways, thought theory crafting and discussion, I entertained the idea of death via the state (death penalty and executions for heinous crimes). Through a long discussion, the idea of someone committing a serious enough crime to get the death penalty is a bad idea because for one, the suspect would be detained and then put in jail without bond while awaiting trial.

Next, when the defendant is taken to trial before a judge and jury, and even then (assuming in a state that allows the death penalty or federal crimes that carry the death penalty) there is a competency hearing in which the defendant will be tested for sanity (assume they are competent to stand trial and not legally insane), and then when found guilty, there is a chance of life imprisonment rather than the death penalty.

At the penalty/sentencing phase before a judge or panel of jurors, in most situations a jury has to vote UNANIMOUSLY in order for the death penalty to even be handed down. Assuming that the defendant is handed the death penalty (which means the defendant is then a convict), the next thing is the long wait in prison before the execution date. During this time (usually many years, over a decade since the sentencing), a convict is given many appeals before they are given the death penalty.

While in In prison, it would be many years before the convict while sitting and waiting for the inevitable, then once all appeals are exhausted, no new trial or evidence is given, then the convict will be executed. If there is anything that interrupts it such as a pardon (extremely unlikely) or new evidence or what not, then it is rescheduled or delayed.

Tl;dr - suicide via death penalty isn't reliable, is unethical, costly, and that is even assuming that one obtains the death penalty for their crimes. I do NOT condone violence against others, NOR breaking laws of the country or state in which one resides in. It does much more harm to innocents and others that it is not viable at all, morally, socially, economically, nor logically.
 
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Xerxes

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Pro-lifers believed the best way to punish a criminal was to abolish the death penalty and make them have life in prison. Death penalty is like "the easy way out" for criminals. You should never have to harm someone else to achieve your end goals.
 
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AveryConure

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I'm honestly against the death penalty unless it's like a case against a really notorious serial killer or something, cause I honestly think spending the rest of your life in a shitty prison where you'll probably be shanked to death anyways is worse than the death penalty but that's my .02 I guess.
 
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WayOut

WayOut

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Oct 26, 2018
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Philip Nitschke, Exit Int, advocates for the lowlifes who have been convicted of the worst crimes possible (causing unimaginable, irrevocable harm to loved ones of the victim), is a person who has a right to getting N and getting a soft landing, ie peaceful death. He states life imprisonment is cruel torture.

I don't support the death penalty, but even more strongly, I don't support PN's position either. I abhor his view that the worst and most harmful, truly evil (if sociopaths can be characterized as such) people should have access to N before they have to face the consequences of their acts.
 
TAW122

TAW122

Emissary of the right to die.
Aug 30, 2018
6,804
Philip Nitschke, Exit Int, advocates for the lowlifes who have been convicted of the worst crimes possible (causing unimaginable, irrevocable harm to loved ones of the victim), is a person who has a right to getting N and getting a soft landing, ie peaceful death. He states life imprisonment is cruel torture.

I don't support the death penalty, but even more strongly, I don't support PN's position either. I abhor his view that the worst and most harmful, truly evil (if sociopaths can be characterized as such) people should have access to N before they have to face the consequences of their acts.
I suppose in a just and ideal world, the worst of lowlifes would either live a horrible life until they die or be given significant suffering even up to and including their execution for their crimes. Then the people who are terminally ill and want to exit in peace be given N and be able to spend the last bit of their sentient life in peace before they go.
 
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Othermind

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Has someone seriously suggested something this ludicrous? Like ever?
 
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TAW122

Emissary of the right to die.
Aug 30, 2018
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No, it was just a theory-crafting discussion I had many, many years ago with one of my philosophy professors. I had a deep and curious mind and wanting to explore the bounds of things. This was just one of them. While I had a feeling that it would have been ludicrous and a bad idea, I just never had the chance to explore the idea until then. Of course, I never mentioned about harming others nor threatened violence, but merely raised a hypothetical scenario.
 
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No, it was just a theory-crafting discussion I had many, many years ago with one of my philosophy professors. I had a deep and curious mind and wanting to explore the bounds of things. This was just one of them. While I had a feeling that it would have been ludicrous and a bad idea, I just never had the chance to explore the idea until then. Of course, I never mentioned about harming others nor threatened violence, but merely raised a hypothetical scenario.
Ok, I didn't quite catch that.
On a side note, since it has been brought up, I believe that if someone has been condemned to life in prison they should have the option of being humanely put to death. I get it, some people can't be trusted back into society, but just leaving them to rot and be miserable (with everyone financially supporting them, including their victims' loved ones, I might add) just reeks of gratuitous sadism to me. Torturing someone for years/decade does not erase any crime and doesn't bring anyone back, it only satisfies our darker instincts and feeds our self-righteousness.
But that's neither here nor there, sorry for the OT.
 
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