Venting Why isn't being in constant pain and severely disabled considered legitimate reasons to want to die.

[DoubleUp8]

Why isn't disability and pain considered legit reasons to want to die in the United States anyway. I have heard that some other nations you can get medical assistance and have a humane death. I don't know if that's exactly true. Have not been outside the US very much in my entire life. In the United States, I feel like I can not have a humane life or a humane death and everything I have experienced tells me that's true.

 

[FuneralCry]

It's truly so horrific how people cannot just have the option to just die in peace even despite the fact that there is literally no limit as to how much one can suffer as long as they exist with unlimited potential to be tormented and feel pain.

The human body truly is just a decaying flesh prison capable of torturing one immensely, I find it terrifying how one can suffer so unbearably yet not die. The fact that suicide isn't accepted as a valid option to escape from this really is so hellish, I truly despise this sadistic anti-suicide society where preferring permanent non-existence over even the most extreme agony isn't accepted.

 

[lizzywizzy09]

Because we have "inherent value". We're kept around for a few purposes, so people can look at us and a) say glad that isn't me and b) so they can use us as inspiration fodder. Every now and then they'll feature one of us on youtube "overcoming" unbearable odds with guitar music clanging in the background and ofc c) on the off chance we try to fight, they can pat themselves on the back and tell themselves they "saved a life".

 

[DoubleUp8]

Because we have "inherent value". We're kept around for a few purposes, so people can look at us and a) say glad that isn't me and b) so they can use us an inspiration fodder. Every now and then they'll feature one of us on youtube "overcoming" unbearable odds with guitar music clanging in the background and ofc c) on the off chance we try to fight, they can pat themselves on the back and tell themselves they "saved a life".

You're describing me. At least 50 doctors told me "you will never walk again" or "you'll be in a wheelchair for the rest of your life" or some variation of that sentiment. Yet I do walk with a cane, but literally feel every agonizing step. I feel like I have to do the impossible just to survive and I literally do. I love the way you summed it up. And you could have added look at the way people are treated when they are suicidal. If you seek help you will get the polar opposite. Locked up in a horrible psych hospital. They push SSRIs on you. A medication that lists suicide as a side effect. All things making it more likely you ctb. Not less. It's not that they don't want me to die. They literally do. They just want my life or death to fit their narrative. Imagine a country where suicidal people actually got help for their real issues that are causing them to feel that way. And why do they not differentiate people with really legit reasons to ctb from those who are actually suffering from mental illness? There's a huge difference between me dealing with a difficult and painful disability and someone who wants to ctb because that's what the voices of the space aliens in his/her head are saying.

 

[lizzywizzy09]

You're describing me. At least 50 doctors told me "you will never walk again" or "you'll be in a wheelchair for the rest of your life" or some variation of that sentiment. Yet I do walk with a cane, but literally feel every agonizing step. I feel like I have to do the impossible just to survive and I literally do. I love the way you summed it up. And you could have added look at the way people are treated when they are suicidal. If you seek help you will get the polar opposite. Locked up in a horrible psych hospital. They push SSRIs on you. A medication that lists suicide as a side effect. All things making it more likely you ctb. Not less. It's not that they don't want me to die. They literally do. They just want my life or death to fit their narrative. Imagine a country where suicidal people actually got help for their real issues that are causing them to feel that way. And why do they not differentiate people with really legit reasons to ctb from those who are actually suffering from mental illness? There's a huge difference between me dealing with a difficult and painful disability and someone who wants to ctb because that's what the voices of the space aliens in his/her head are saying.

I'm so sorry to hear that. And they don't consider our opinions because they don't want to. They refuse to believe suffering like ours exists but take a look around, take a look at the news. There's suffering everywhere. None of us asked to be born so we should get the option to leave. Also, fuck the assumption that we haven't given life a shot already. I was depressed for most of my life and fought like hell for over a decade to get passed it but it just got worse!

And as for doctors, fuck every last one of them. I got huge trauma thanks to them and their bullshit.

 

[DepressedDude]

That's something I really hate about today's society with the thinking "save life at all costs" attitude.
There was a story about a guy that was fully paralyzed from a bike accident and had to travel to Switzerland to get euthanized because America wouldn't allow it.

 

[DoubleUp8]

I have heard that some other countries like Switzerland and Netherlands allow for euthanasia in some cases. The current opiaphobic trend in U.S. along with close to zero supportive services for disabled people just compounds everything making life as unbearable as possible. They literally won't let me have a humane life or a humane death.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

This is just my personal opinion, but I think it's because the people deciding the rules of law are so far removed from the realities of the populations they lord over. All of these healthy, able-bodied, neurotypical politicians and lawmakers don't have the slightest clue as to what disabled people have to endure in our lives. Otherwise, they wouldn't be in politics most likely, as it is a demanding and gatekeeping career.

There are the virtue signalling campaigns here and there, false promises about progress and equality, but at the end of the day these people cannot put themselves in the shoes of a person who suffers day in and day out. They often are blind to the shortcomings of medicine, believing that if you just keep pushing, the healthcare system will eventually find a solution to everyone's problems. It would be great if this was true, but the reality is there are millions of people living with chronic illnesses, impairments, and disabilities who have been told we have to just deal with it the rest of our lives with no hope of reprieve.

Also, a lot of the disability related media that is put out for the world to see is inspirational in nature, you often see a disabled child with loving parents who would move mountains to support them. Or a sick adult who is provided for by their relatives and partner, so they don't have to worry about survival for the foreseeable future. They don't show what happens to disabled people when there is no longer anyone there to help you, especially if the disability is something more invisible to the naked eye in nature, or something which causes daily physical pain.

They don't tell the hard stories or the ones with no happy ending. I believe it's purposeful. It's easier to pretend everyone is happy and society is doing enough to ensure disabled people have good lives, than address the very real limitations of modern medicine and economic policy that force many sick and disabled people into poverty. It is inherently unpleasant to reflect upon this, that despite all the progress that's been made in recent decades, that life still is not anything close to fair and that our bodies are extremely fragile biological constructs subject to the laws of nature. We can only play god to a certain degree, with the aid of science and medicine.

I have had many similar experiences as you. Growing up with a developmental disability (Autism) people shunned me and my family was ashamed of me, but when I became suicidal as a child psychiatrists could not fathom that my disability would make me want to die. No, I must have had a hidden mental illness. Then my body began to fail me more and more, and I don't have a single day where I am not in some kind of physical pain or discomfort, suffering from 24/7 fatigue and lost so many of my cognitive abilities or anything that would make life worthwhile.

There are only so many times I can take being made fun of because I walk slowly, as my body does not have the energy to move and my legs are heavy and full of numbness all the time. Whenever I have tried to survive and provide for myself, no job wants to put up with a slow, disabled person, even though many times I am choking on the pain or fighting permanently blurred vision and brainfog due to a neurological condition. I am sorry to hear about your issues with mobility and dealing with pain, it's completely unfair that anyone has to grapple with those ailments.

People believe they are being compassionate when forbidding others from making decisions about our own life and death, but they are often ignorant about the toll that disability and ill health takes. My signature here (Xiǎng sǐ bùnéng - xiǎng huó bùnéng) means I want to die but I'm unable to. I want to live, but I'm unable to. It sums up my feelings about this topic pretty well.

I can't ever live any semblance of the life I want due to being so disabled and messed up, but I'm not 'allowed' to die either. The people who call the shots in this world are completely blind to the fact that there is the capacity to suffer for years without a light at the end of the tunnel. Unless it happens in their own personal life, they often stay blind to it. Many voters who have opposed euthanasia for the terminally ill don't change their mind until they are forced to confront the ethical dilemma themselves when a relative ends up in hospice care.

 

[DoubleUp8]

This is just my personal opinion, but I think it's because the people deciding the rules of law are so far removed from the realities of the populations they lord over. All of these healthy, able-bodied, neurotypical politicians and lawmakers don't have the slightest clue as to what disabled people have to endure in our lives. Otherwise, they wouldn't be in politics most likely, as it is a demanding and gatekeeping career.

There are the virtue signalling campaigns here and there, false promises about progress and equality, but at the end of the day these people cannot put themselves in the shoes of a person who suffers day in and day out. They often are blind to the shortcomings of medicine, believing that if you just keep pushing, the healthcare system will eventually find a solution to everyone's problems. It would be great if this was true, but the reality is there are millions of people living with chronic illnesses, impairments, and disabilities who have been told we have to just deal with it the rest of our lives with no hope of reprieve.

Also, a lot of the disability related media that is put out for the world to see is inspirational in nature, you often see a disabled child with loving parents who would move mountains to support them. Or a sick adult who is provided for by their relatives and partner, so they don't have to worry about survival for the foreseeable future. They don't show what happens to disabled people when there is no longer anyone there to help you, especially if the disability is something more invisible to the naked eye in nature, or something which causes daily physical pain.

They don't tell the hard stories or the ones with no happy ending. I believe it's purposeful. It's easier to pretend everyone is happy and society is doing enough to ensure disabled people have good lives, than address the very real limitations of modern medicine and economic policy that force many sick and disabled people into poverty. It is inherently unpleasant to reflect upon this, that despite all the progress that's been made in recent decades, that life still is not anything close to fair and that our bodies are extremely fragile biological constructs subject to the laws of nature. We can only play god to a certain degree, with the aid of science and medicine.

I have had many similar experiences as you. Growing up with a developmental disability (Autism) people shunned me and my family was ashamed of me, but when I became suicidal as a child psychiatrists could not fathom that my disability would make me want to die. No, I must have had a hidden mental illness. Then my body began to fail me more and more, and I don't have a single day where I am not in some kind of physical pain or discomfort, suffering from 24/7 fatigue and lost so many of my cognitive abilities or anything that would make life worthwhile.

There are only so many times I can take being made fun of because I walk slowly, as my body does not have the energy to move and my legs are heavy and full of numbness all the time. Whenever I have tried to survive and provide for myself, no job wants to put up with a slow, disabled person, even though many times I am choking on the pain or fighting permanently blurred vision and brainfog due to a neurological condition. I am sorry to hear about your issues with mobility and dealing with pain, it's completely unfair that anyone has to grapple with those ailments.

People believe they are being compassionate when forbidding others from making decisions about our own life and death, but they are often ignorant about the toll that disability and ill health takes. My signature here (Xiǎng sǐ bùnéng - xiǎng huó bùnéng) means I want to die but I'm unable to. I want to live, but I'm unable to. It sums up my feelings about this topic pretty well.

I can't ever live any semblance of the life I want due to being so disabled and messed up, but I'm not 'allowed' to die either. The people who call the shots in this world are completely blind to the fact that there is the capacity to suffer for years without a light at the end of the tunnel. Unless it happens in their own personal life, they often stay blind to it. Many voters who have opposed euthanasia for the terminally ill don't change their mind until they are forced to confront the ethical dilemma themselves when a relative ends up in hospice care.

You are experiencing the same thing as I am. They won't let you have a humane life or a humane death. But I think you're letting them off the hook somewhat to say that they don't understand what some are suffering. I think more often than not it's corruption of our politicians and our entire corrupt system of government. How many entities are exploiting misery for profit? The entire medical industrial complex thrives on it and sends big bucks to politicians to perpetuate the status quo. I feel exploited every time I attempt to get medical care. If you look at it critically almost everything is fueled by corrupt incentive. Medical industrial complex makes billions off of suffering and won't have it any other way.

 

[lizzywizzy09]

You are experiencing the same thing as I am. They won't let you have a humane life or a humane death. But I think you're letting them off the hook somewhat to say that they don't understand what some are suffering. I think more often than not it's corruption of our politicians and our entire corrupt system of government. How many entities are exploiting misery for profit? The entire medical industrial complex thrives on it and sends big bucks to politicians to perpetuate the status quo. I feel exploited every time I attempt to get medical care. If you look at it critically almost everything is fueled by corrupt incentive. Medical industrial complex makes billions off of suffering and won't have it any other way.

Yup. The medical system and government will pat themselves on the back for the "saved lives" of someone on a respirator, unable to wipe their own ass and begging for death.

 

[DoubleUp8]

Yup. The medical system and government will pat themselves on the back for the "saved lives" of someone on a respirator, unable to wipe their own ass and begging for death.

And during covid they made a lot of money putting people on respirators where 99.99 percent of em died anyway. But the longer they keep you breathing the more money they can make.

 

[TheLastBoyOnEarth]

i want to die because of a chronic pain condition. i totally get what you mean.

 

[DoubleUp8]

And in the United States we get double fucked with all the phony "opioid epidemic" bullshit!