Discussion Why is suicide so frowned upon by others??

[c.c]

I have been suicidal even before i knew the word and the concept of suicide existed..so i just never really knew the reason behind the hatred towards suicide in genreal...none of those people make any sense to be honest...

 

[StupidCat]

It's sort of a biological imperative. As living creatures we strive for survival and us social creatures we strive for the survival of our peers.

 

[Orangee]

Because it makes them uncomfortable to think that someone is suffering so much they decided to end their life.

Also I guess they feel sympathy for those left behind instead of those who left.

 

[beeptad]

I think it's because the societies that didn't deeply frown on suicide all died out because life sucks.

 

[Moniker]

It's a really shallow reason, but I think it's just a very inconvenient thing to address. It's a lot easier to say suicidal people are the problem as opposed to the things pushing them in that direction.

You see similar stuff with autism, BPD, and more. Folks struggling with these things are always painted as the problematic ones.

 

[tbh2023]

Because it makes them uncomfortable to think that someone is suffering so much they decided to end their life.

Also I guess they feel sympathy for those left behind instead of those who left.

I second that.

 

[cme-dme]

Suicide is often frowned upon by others for a mix of cultural, religious, emotional, and social reasons. Here are some of the main factors:

1. Moral and Religious Beliefs: Many religions and moral frameworks consider life sacred and suicide a violation of divine or natural law. In these views, taking one's own life is seen as wrong or sinful.
2. Social and Familial Impact: Suicide deeply affects loved ones, often leaving them with intense grief, guilt, confusion, or trauma. This emotional aftermath can lead to societal stigma as a form of collective distress or fear.
3. Misunderstanding and Stigma: Mental health issues are still stigmatized in many places. People may judge suicide harshly because they don't understand depression or suicidal thoughts as symptoms of an illness, not personal failings.
4. Cultural Expectations: In many societies, there's a strong expectation to persevere through adversity. Choosing to end one's life can be seen as giving up, which clashes with cultural values of resilience and endurance.
5. Fear of Contagion: There's concern, especially in schools or communities, that openly discussing or appearing to condone suicide could lead to more people considering it—a phenomenon known as suicide contagion or copycat suicides.

Why even bother replying if you're just gonna copy paste from ChatGPT?

 

[FuneralCry]

Because the human species is an abomination with so many so cruelly wanting to force others to suffer in this torturous and cruel existence with the suffering and torture of existing seen as to prolong no matter what, it's all just so horrific to me, I see so much cruelty in how humans are enslaved in this existence forced to suffer until non-existence takes away all anyway. I'd just always prefer to not exist than be burdened with this existence capable of suffering to unlimited extents destined to decay and die anyway and I always suffer so much from how peaceful, painless death is so harmfully denied for me even know this existence was so tragically imposed causing all this harm and suffering as a result, existence truly does feel like a terrible, tragic mistake to me and it's one only non-existence can bring me peace and relief from.

 

[FoxSauce]

Well moslty also some people see it as a cowardly way out of life

What I've been told ofc-

 

[peridot-tears]

The main things I can think of are religious bias (from an ex-Catholic perspective at least, I'm not sure about others), people who are uncomfortable with death or mental health topics in general, and people who might miss their loved ones. That being said, I never understood it either. I mean, it's my life; I'm not hurting anyone--just me.

 

[Gamelle]

Most people fear death and project that fear onto others. They get angry about people welcoming death because it triggers their own fear. Kind of like the parents that get angry at childfree people.

Also, people feel that their loved ones are obligated to live for them so that they do not have to experience grief, no matter how the relative feels about it.

And the final reason Is that the government does not want young, healthy tax payers offing themselves. That's a loss in tax revenue from someone that's a net producer. It's why I don't think assisted suicide will be available for the average suicidal adult anytime soon, unfortunately.

 

[SchizoGymnast]

The same reason (some) married people envy the divorced... we're doing what they wish they could do.

 

[Alexei_Kirillov]

There's also the fact that a lot of people can't wrap their heads around nonexistence, so they think the person who kills themself is losing out on something positive (they also tend to see life as a "gift"). Even ex-suicidal people will often say things like "I'm so glad I didn't do it because then I would've missed out on all the good things that came after!" which just goes to show that they don't understand how nonexistence works (ie. if you had killed yourself you wouldn't be able to have any feelings whatsoever, including regret, about the life you didn't live).

As already mentioned, I think the prevention of grief is another huge factor. Users on SaSu sometimes tend to downplay it, but the grief of loved ones following a suicide can be extremely severe and persistent, sometimes lasting a lifetime. It can debilitate people, in turn causing more societal issues (ex. lost productivity). From that perspective, it makes sense to discourage it. I know people here would say "But we're all going to die anyway so they'll have to grieve regardless," but the way someone dies actually does matter, and the fact that you chose to die can cause a lot of feelings of guilt, confusion, anger, etc., which may prolong/complicate the grieving process.

 

[Gamelle]

There's also the fact that a lot of people can't wrap their heads around nonexistence, so they think the person who kills themself is losing out on something positive (they also tend to see life as a "gift"). Even ex-suicidal people will often say things like "I'm so glad I didn't do it because then I would've missed out on all the good things that came after!" which just goes to show that they don't understand how nonexistence works (ie. if you had killed yourself you wouldn't be able to have any feelings whatsoever, including regret, about the life you didn't live).

As already mentioned, I think the prevention of grief is another huge factor. Users on SaSu sometimes tend to downplay it, but the grief of loved ones following a suicide can be extremely severe and persistent, sometimes lasting a lifetime. It can debilitate people, in turn causing more societal issues (ex. lost productivity). From that perspective, it makes sense to discourage it. I know people here would say "But we're all going to die anyway so they'll have to grieve regardless," but the way someone dies actually does matter, and the fact that you chose to die can cause a lot of feelings of guilt, confusion, anger, etc., which may prolong/complicate the grieving process.

I hate when people bring up "Research" about failed suicide attempts.

1. Failed suicidal people that still want to commit have no incentive to be honest about that. Nobody wants to the dreaded 72 hour involuntary commitment.
2. Anti-suicide psa's are obviously only going to focus on only people that regret it. They're literal propaganda!

Btw, not criticizing you at all. I just always found that so irritating! I hate hearing ex-suicidal people speak for the rest of us.

 

[SomewhereAlongThe]

People feel it's a necessity to force us to conform to the ways of society, and live it out. Other people feel forced to live, or forced to exist, and so they cause the people around them to feel the same.

 

[martinso67]

I have been suicidal even before i knew the word and the concept of suicide existed..so i just never really knew the reason behind the hatred towards suicide in genreal...none of those people make any sense to be honest...

Me as well actually.
I was "passive" suicidal since I am 5 years old. Really wanting to do it and researching and trying started when I got 19.
I always had hope my mental health and especially physical health gets better but it got gradually worse.
Now I cant sleep and have swollen feet.
I also am not able to get a real job and cannot depend on some odd online jobs that pay about the third of minimum income.
Also my parents will not be here forever. My mother will retire and so financial support to me to afford shared rent of apartment will not be possible.
Also I cannot anymore live with others and want to live independently.
I cant properly function as a human in society. I am already at my limits in keeping my hygiene and going shopping to the Grocery store. I feel kind of ignored by society and goverment. But I also feel like a burden. I can't fit into the "Normie" 9-5 work, have family and retire (in best case). That normie lifestyle is for me like a death sentence. I also failed at getting at that normie lifestyle. I failed sustaining a relationship (neither a long distance relationship). After finally finding the most suitable job and they approving me. I couldn't go the second day there. I could not really focus at work, stressed, awkward. I could not sleep the next 3 days after being there. I felt like a loser there.
I remember some Belgian guy who get euthanasia approved and paid fully by the government. He has similar problems of functioning in society like me. But he got that holy grail of peaceful injection. I felt so much jealousy but also happy for him.
Again no one cares about me.

If they care about "survival" they would help me get my health together and make me use my whole potential. Make me have a meaningful life. If it wouldn't be of anxiety, then I would have died by the train method. But my anxiety thinks someone will see me far away and rescue me. Me ending disabled and not being able to suicide in anyway possible and bound in hospital care for rest of life. My brain has the most catastrophic thoughts. And my anxiety took hold of this thought because some came true. I am also not understood and I am lonely (of really meaningful connection)

 

[Alexei_Kirillov]

I hate when people bring up "Research" about failed suicide attempts.

1. Failed suicidal people that still want to commit have no incentive to be honest about that. Nobody wants to the dreaded 72 hour involuntary commitment.
2. Anti-suicide psa's are obviously only going to focus on only people that regret it. They're literal propaganda!

Btw, not criticizing you at all. I just always found that so irritating! I hate hearing ex-suicidal people speak for the rest of us.

Yeah, it's a bit of a selection bias issue; people who remain suicidal after failed attempts either don't speak out because there's no space in public discourse for their stories, or they eventually successfully CTB and can't speak out.

 

[imOK]

Suicide is taboo because it threatens the foundational myths society relies on to function: that life has inherent meaning, that suffering can always be redeemed, and that the collective has a right to your continued existence. The state has a vested interest in maintaining you as a productive unit. Religions need adherents to perpetuate themselves. Even secular humanism treats voluntary death as an existential threat to its life-affirming dogma.

The prohibition isn't about compassion, it's about control. A person who exercises control over their own end undermines the illusion that existence is obligatory. That's why societies medicalize the desire, pathologizing autonomy as mental illness. It's more convenient to call you irrational than to admit some lives are rationally not worth continuing. Imagine the chaos that would cause.

They'll go as far as to endorse euthanasia for the old and terminally ill - so once you're no longer useful - but reject it for the chronically miserable, because that would force uncomfortable questions about why so many find life unbearable despite material comfort.

Power structures, even ostensibly liberal ones, cannot tolerate the idea that someone might rationally opt out. It forces them to confront the possibility that their systems - economic, social, political ...don't justify the suffering they produce. If a person can freely decide their life isn't worth continuing, it implies a failure not of the individual, but of the world around them.

 

[Orangee]

Yeah, it's a bit of a selection bias issue; people who remain suicidal after failed attempts either don't speak out because there's no space in public discourse for their stories, or they eventually successfully CTB and can't speak out.

Yes exactly. It's also what pisses me off about suicide attempt statistics, "most people who attempt suicide don't regret failing." Those who do regret failing attempt again and succeed, and rest who are still trying would pretend that they don't want to ctb anymore to avoid scrutiny.

 

[delta2]

Society sees death as a bad thing that should never happen even though it happens every single day and life wouldn't work without it

 

[JamesMoonDerWater]

Reserve army of labor. It makes your boss's life harder if there's less people that he can easily replace

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think it does create a lot of painful grief for those left behind. The feelings seem even more intense than reactions to natural death.

I also think for a lot of people with ideation- unless their pain is very visible- eg. a debilitating and obvious chronic illness, other people aren't very understanding. They just see problems as being a part of life that you have to accept. It's hard to guage suffering and it's hard to guage how much a person can reasonably cope with. Seeing as suicide causes so much damage to others, I suppose they tend to think- nothing can be so bad that you're prepared to inflict that on others.

It's not helped that some people do manage to cope under absolutely dreadful circumstances. I suppose they think- and regularly tell us- if they can cope, why can't you?

Their views are just so biased I suppose. They don't seem to see it that it's hugely unreasonable to expect someone who's suffering to just bear it for their sake. They also don't seem to see that it's a double standard. They'll insist that we can cope with anything that life throws at us- including multiple bereavements if necessary. Even bereavement after a suicide. But, they're also effectively insisting that they won't be able to cope with bereavement from our suicide. It's massively hypocritical.

 

[Dante_]

Yes exactly. It's also what pisses me off about suicide attempt statistics, "most people who attempt suicide don't regret failing." Those who do regret failing attempt again and succeed, and rest who are still trying would pretend that they don't want to ctb anymore to avoid scrutiny.

It's almost like having to live ashamed for it in order to avoid any scrutiny because some people who have attempted have been shamed, guilt tripped, even publicly which made things worse so why not choose to stay silent when you can avoid that, it's so awful. Whether it's emotional manipulation or social isolation since some people unfortunately lose friends after attempting, these are consequences many will try to avoid.

 

[martinso67]

Yeah, it's a bit of a selection bias issue; people who remain suicidal after failed attempts either don't speak out because there's no space in public discourse for their stories, or they eventually successfully CTB and can't speak out.

There was a study that cited that it's more like that one retries again or is still suicidal after failed suicide.
I did as well. My mental health and mood got worse after failed attempt. I feel after that failure much more trapped.
Me suiciding is like exiting the trap I am in and taking control over my life. Not suiciding is like taking no decision and continuing auto pilot as usual.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Suicide is taboo because it threatens the foundational myths society relies on to function: that life has inherent meaning, that suffering can always be redeemed, and that the collective has a right to your continued existence. The state has a vested interest in maintaining you as a productive unit. Religions need adherents to perpetuate themselves. Even secular humanism treats voluntary death as an existential threat to its life-affirming dogma.

The prohibition isn't about compassion, it's about control. A person who exercises control over their own end undermines the illusion that existence is obligatory. That's why societies medicalize the desire, pathologizing autonomy as mental illness. It's more convenient to call you irrational than to admit some lives are rationally not worth continuing. Imagine the chaos that would cause.

They'll go as far as to endorse euthanasia for the old and terminally ill - so once you're no longer useful - but reject it for the chronically miserable, because that would force uncomfortable questions about why so many find life unbearable despite material comfort.

Power structures, even ostensibly liberal ones, cannot tolerate the idea that someone might rationally opt out. It forces them to confront the possibility that their systems - economic, social, political ...don't justify the suffering they produce. If a person can freely decide their life isn't worth continuing, it implies a failure not of the individual, but of the world around them.

I Agree . Good points.

It's ridiculous illogical oppressive and evil the hatred against suicide.

i'm a stranger and i want to kill myself .that is no one else's business plus we all will die anyway and most have to work many hours every day just to exist under threat of extreme torture.

A stranger is suffering extremely for a long time or will be as in homelessness.

So they need a way to escape extreme torture. But can't because government creeps made every guaranteed method a crime like someone helping you with suicide.

And they have everyone thinking this situation is ok . are they and every human somehow immune to unending unbearable pain ? why is ok to steal everyone's right to move away from suffering or extreme suffering. that is what suicide is the moving away from extreme suffering .

in the video below a man was just driving , got pinned in a car wreck. his legs were burning. he screamed like you never seen for at least 15 seconds of the video but was probably screaming or in unbearable pain for the whole duration of 30 seconds video. yeah i watch this to remind me of how bad pain can be . but most will say don't watch that just "enjoy" this food. is that food worth even this 15 seconds , 1 minute of this pain? 1 hour ? 10 hours. if he survived the burns will hurt for many hours days .

warning this video is a man screaming in pain from burning legs

https://watchpeopledie.tv/h/burning/post/307109/man-screams-in-pain-as-hes

this and worse is the kind of unbearable pain the human bran can produce. and this isn't the only way many other ways , just that my brain can suffer unending constant unbearable pain is an abomination.


Me: i want to kill myself .
stranger: you're mentally ill get help
Me: tell me a reason why i have to live another minute?
stranger : ur a coward
Me: you don't know my situation and it's none of your busniess plus we all will die anyway. unbearable pain is a billion times worse than you can imagine

i;m just guessing what some stranger would say . the only place i posted words like that are here . but no one here has challenged me on these and many other points. and then another nuke : i every human is just a bag of cells, a machine, the first cell, another animal what could possibly matter to a bag of cells what purpose? nothing matters except avoiding unbearable pain. we all will die anyway . what will matter in 1000 years? nothing . nothing matters . nothing matters to me except avoiding extreme suffering or unbearable pain.

i'm guessing if i say things like these anywhere else i'll get banned or put in a mental hospital . but i haven't even said it all here.