Why is killing yourself so hard? Becuase you have an instinct that resists death or anything lethal

[Logic]

So survival instinct is a brain characteristic that was passed down likely due to it increasing survival in your environment. However it's does not always do its job very well. This creates conflict within your brain-Mentally you may fully want to die but this instinct will resist when it precieves danger etc. This instinct is not perfect and can be fooled, suppressed through a number of different ways or even overpowered through a strong enough will to die.

 

[YukiFox]

Besides, we struggle against a cultural taboo who tells us that death is the most undesirable state for a human being, so fighting against that collective perception is hard, and we learned to embrace life as our jewel.

 

[Sinbad]

Ever fiber of your being is programmed for survival. Tho, once you give up with no hope for the future your SELF turns to self-destruction by any means necessary. Therefore, killing yourself is hard if you still have some hope left in you.

 

[Jodes]

Ever fiber of your being is programmed for survival. Tho, once you give up with no hope for the future your SELF turns to self-destruction by any means necessary.

I'm going to pull you up on that and say it's contradicting... there must be some fibers programmed for purposes where self destruction is "better". Armies seem to pull on that fiber perfectly well. Muscle memory, fighting for your comrades and harsh consequences seem to do it with ease

 

[Sinbad]

I'm going to pull you up on that and say it's contradicting... there must be some fibers programmed for purposes where self destruction is "better". Armies seem to pull on that fiber perfectly well. Muscle memory, fighting for your comrades and harsh consequences seem to do it with ease

lol I am no scientist just a bored and depressed soul.. Do not try to take anything I say seriously..No use..Cheers

 

[Logic]

Besides, we struggle against a cultural taboo who tells us that death is the most undesirable state for a human being, so fighting against that collective perception is hard, and we learned to embrace life as our jewel.

Human intelligence is just a sentient system that developed by chance as a result of passing down traits that do on impede or enhance survival in our environment over a long period of time. How could that possibly what the epitome of life should be? We are not designed for concepts like positive outweighing bad etc. People insist life is magical and special only when convient for them. Ie torturing an animal that's intelligence in many aspects espically the parts people argue make life worth living like the ability to feel complex emotions, happiness etc rivals you is okay -they are just animals nothing special about their intelligence. It's so ludicrous. The brain is a complex system that seems magical due to how poorly understood and complex it is, but at the end of the day it's just a system.

 

[Logic]

Ever fiber of your being is programmed for survival. Tho, once you give up with no hope for the future your SELF turns to self-destruction by any means necessary. Therefore, killing yourself is hard if you still have some hope left in you.

Survival instinct is a result of Traits that enhance or do not impede survival before reproduction for the purpose of surviving in an environment drastically different from our own.

 

[Logic]

I'm going to pull you up on that and say it's contradicting... there must be some fibers programmed for purposes where self destruction is "better". Armies seem to pull on that fiber perfectly well. Muscle memory, fighting for your comrades and harsh consequences seem to do it with ease

Dying for your armies can be seen as an extension of the traits of mutual collectivism. Ie dying to protect your offspring and getting together in larger groups to beat the shit out of something. However the trait was not passed down to go fight huge wars it did not have nearly enough time for that. Traits changing are increadibly slow and not always to your benifit. You are also created through a flawed system that does not build exactly what it attempts to build.

 

[Shewaitsforme]

Well i trained up as a soldier and left pretty quick. Why because it is about survival. You are told kill or be killed. My limit was when we were told if a child comes up to you convoy and you tell them to go and they wont, dont think twice about shooting them in the head. That was told to me over and over. It got to the point i was screaming at a board that was painted to look like the enemy, my mind flipped, it was no longer a board, it was a 'raghead' i was unloading my blank rounds towards this fake figure but all i saw was a real man and i had to kill him before he could kill me. Ive never screamed at something with so much hate, they then asked me to go onto officer training, i think they could see i would be easy to train and kill without much pushing. I learnt to control that side of me now, had an awsone career doing security and now im on the ambulances, i do sometimes wonder how id have coped on deployment

 

[Deivis]

Purely social thing! We are conditioned to be army ants and work ants, nothing else.

If you say - even to your mother - "I want climb Mount Everest. I'm not sure if I can make it back in one piece, but I have to do it" - the bitch will be running around for a day like a hen without a head, but finally succumb to your plan.

So would other people. Most of them wont give a smallest fuck about you.

But if you say - "On the NY Eve I'm going to drink my N or SN and bye bye" - they all - parents, your boss, the authorities - will fucking get you committed to the crazyhouse.

The other guy said it right - the moment you're ready - no other opinion will bother you anymore.
Reading really helps. Stoic philosophers, maybe some Buddhism, European minds such as Montaigne, Schopenhauer can put you on the right path. Just see life as pure and unconditional evil. Thats it :)

 

[Logic]

Well i trained up as a soldier and left pretty quick. Why because it is about survival. You are told kill or be killed. My limit was when we were told if a child comes up to you convoy and you tell them to go and they wont, dont think twice about shooting them in the head. That was told to me over and over. It got to the point i was screaming at a board that was painted to look like the enemy, my mind flipped, it was no longer a board, it was a 'raghead' i was unloading my blank rounds towards this fake figure but all i saw was a real man and i had to kill him before he could kill me. Ive never screamed at something with so much hate, they then asked me to go onto officer training, i think they could see i would be easy to train and kill without much pushing. I learnt to control that side of me now, had an awsone career doing security and now im on the ambulances, i do sometimes wonder how id have coped on deployment

You are a paramedic? You like security? I use to do armed security at a marijuana plant for a little extra cash! It was fun and felt extremely illegal, even though it was legal! Well legal atleast according the state government.

 

[Deivis]

Lack of sleep helps incredibly!

Try not to sleep for 36 hours. Say, wake up at 11 AM... One full day and night (24h) + extra 12 hrs, until 11 PM.
Drink a lot of water, but stay out of food.

When you finally go to bed and falling into sleep, thats when your SI would be practially nil.

 

[Tncfef]

Lack of sleep helps incredibly!

Try not to sleep for 36 hours. Say, wake up at 11 AM... One full day and night (24h) + extra 12 hrs, until 11 PM.
Drink a lot of water, but stay out of food.

When you finally go to bed and falling into sleep, thats when your SI would be practially nil.

I haven't thought of it before thank you for the idea.

 

[Logic]

Lack of sleep helps incredibly!

Try not to sleep for 36 hours. Say, wake up at 11 AM... One full day and night (24h) + extra 12 hrs, until 11 PM.
Drink a lot of water, but stay out of food.

When you finally go to bed and falling into sleep, thats when your SI would be practially nil.

Are you sure about that? What is that based on? I know sleep depervation is a temp treatment for depression. I think you are basing that on all this misconceptions about lack of sleep. No not sleeping for two weeks will not kill you. People with fatal familial insomnia have gone years without sleep and still been able to drive cars.

 

[Deivis]

Are you sure about that? What is that based on? I know sleep depervation is a temp treatment for depression. I think you are basing that on all this misconceptions about lack of sleep.

Nah, I'm not saying you have to deprive yourself of sleep for days until you drop like a fly.
I'm saying that 36-48 hours of no sleep will put you in such state where nothing matters.
If a person is reluctant to drink his N or SN, or go with the CO method when fully refreshed and clear-thinking, then sleep deprivation can fix that. Got the idea?

 

[Logic]

Nah, I'm not saying you have to deprive yourself of sleep for days until you drop like a fly.
I'm saying that 36-48 hours of no sleep will put you in such state where nothing matters.
If a person is reluctant to drink his N or SN, or go with the CO method when fully refreshed and clear-thinking, then sleep deprivation can fix that. Got the idea?

Yea I am not convinced that's true. I have gone that long without that much sleep multiple times a lot of stuff definitely still mattered. Plus often people get happy going that long without sleep(temp cure for depression)

 

[TAW122]

he other guy said it right - the moment you're ready - no other opinion will bother you anymore.
Reading really helps. Stoic philosophers, maybe some Buddhism, European minds such as Montaigne, Schopenhauer can put you on the right path. Just see life as pure and unconditional evil. Thats it :)

Hmm, looks like I've got to do some reading on some of these philosophers. Also, the last part I agree from a biological and universal perspective. We humans are just a bunch of atoms and molecules formed into a complex meatsuit with a conscious mind and the ability to reason and think. The universe as wide as it is, doesn't care about us, we are merely sentient beings transferring energy from one medium to another.

 

[Jodes]

lol I am no scientist just a bored and depressed soul.. Do not try to take anything I say seriously..No use..Cheers

I thought what you said was great. I dont know much, but what you said made a lot of sense. I was just trying to get into the discussion... didn't mean to offend, apologies

once you give up with no hope for the future your SELF turns to self-destruction by any means necessary.

 

[Sinbad]

I thought what you said was great. I dont know much, but what you said made a lot of sense. I was just trying to get into the discussion... didn't mean to offend, apologies

Thanks for your reply.. the problem is, I suck at discussions... I usually have nothing else to say after my input on a topic lol
And thanks for liking what I said.. :)

 

[Jodes]

Thanks for your reply.. the problem is, I suck at discussions... I usually have nothing else to say after my input on a topic lol
And thanks for liking what I said.. :)

Thanks for thinking what I like matters lmao :)

 

[bigj75]

I don't believe suicide would be hard if it was legalized. The government could produce things that kill you quickly, painlessly, and humanely. Its alot easier to kill yourself when you don't have all those things to worry about. Besides if it was legalized i think there would be less suicides in the world.

 

[Jodes]

Besides if it was legalized i think there would be less suicides in the world.

Only because being legal, you'd hope someone is responsible for keeping the balance, ie stop the govt doing shit that makes people want to kill themselves

 

[bigj75]

Only because being legal, you'd hope someone is responsible for keeping the balance, ie stop the govt doing shit that makes people want to kill themselves

True. If people stopped doing things that pushed others to suicide then there would be no suicide issue.

 

[Jodes]

True. If people stopped doing things that pushed others to suicide then there would be no suicide issue.

I would say that. plenty of people have reasons beyond anyone's control. And some people change their minds. Etc. Suicide will always be an "issue" as long as it might cause hurt

 

[Kdawg2018]

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I don't believe suicide would be hard if it was legalized. The government could produce things that kill you quickly, painlessly, and humanely. Its alot easier to kill yourself when you don't have all those things to worry about. Besides if it was legalized i think there would be less suicides in the world.

I agree

 

[Jiva]

I thought it is easy. I thought it till i tried it first time. It was the big faux pas. The survival instinct is a bitch.

 

[Roph]

I don't believe suicide would be hard if it was legalized. The government could produce things that kill you quickly, painlessly, and humanely. Its alot easier to kill yourself when you don't have all those things to worry about. Besides if it was legalized i think there would be less suicides in the world.

Agreed. Nice note.

 

[DisaffectedOne]

If I had a gun, I'd already be gone. Back of the head. Cleanest way out without pain.

 

[Arvinneedstodie]

If I had a gun, I'd already be gone. Back of the head. Cleanest way out without pain.

Same... I fantasize about a loaded gun magically appearing in front of me everyday. I might not kill myself right away, but having that quick and easy option would be the best feeling ever.