Why haven’t liberals applied “my body, my choice” to suicide?

[Volatile]

I thought they were pro-choice.

 

[Final Escape]

Because they only care once you are out of the womb. You're not considered a living human being till they can enslave u.

 

[Slenderman]

I did met some liberarls online who support assisted suicide, but a much larger far-left procentage claimed to be against it. I cannot understand this. Supporting abortion and disagreeing that a human being is entitled to end their life, to me is just as logically inconsistent as being both pro-life and pro-death penality.

 

[Volatile]

I don't see how it's inconsistent to be pro-life and pro-death penalty. Those eligible for the death penalty gave up their right to life. Pro-life isn't an absolute.

 

[Jon86]

They have in the ultra liberal countries like Belgium, Holland etc. I think. The talk about suicide right now in the West is generally focused around teens and euthanasia of the elderly.

I think they should make a 25yr age minimum and a 1 year deferral process when applying, with a series of interviews etc. It should be strict for those who truly want to die, in peace and who are steadfast in the idea of exiting just not in a horrific manor.

 

[Volatile]

They have in the ultra liberal countries like Belgium, Holland etc. I think. The talk about suicide right now in the West is generally focused around teens and euthanasia of the elderly.

I think they should make a 25yr age minimum and a 1 year deferral process when applying, with a series of interviews etc. It should be strict for those who truly want to die, in peace and who are steadfast in the idea of exiting just not in a horrific manor.

Wtf. No it should be 18 or older. 18 yr olds can die for their country, so they should be allowed to be euthanized too

 

[Jon86]

Wtf. No it should be 18 or older. 18 yr olds can die for their country, so they should be allowed to be euthanized too

Good luck getting the public on board with that.....I personally think too many of the suicides in young adults are rash and often circumstantial. If you set the age at 25 you can avoid such things and get more traction for a bill that could actually pass.

 

[Volatile]

21 and that's my final offer

 

[Jon86]

21 and that's my final offer

After some thought, i'm pushing the age limit up to 28

 

[TowerUpright]

. Supporting abortion and disagreeing that a human being is entitled to end their life, to me is just as logically inconsistent as being both pro-life and pro-death penality.

I have always wondered about this as well. If you take the argument that life is a gift from God and should be protected, then you can't rationally argue that humans can take away someone's gift from God. For those raised in / associated with the Evangelical church, it's like saying that God gives Grace and redemption, but human beings can decide when to revoke someone else's Grace and redemption based on their actions. The latter would be an anathema in practically every evangelical church I've ever been in.

At least I understand (but don't identify with) the approved Catholic stance: pro-life is pro-life, whether that's infants or convicts. They're consistent at least on paper (so far as I know).

I would wager that Liberals in general don't push suicide / euthanasia because the liberal political parties don't have much to gain. At best, they people who may or may not be around long to vote for them the following season. Additionally, it would backfire in that many family / friends would blame the party for those laws being passed. Always follow the money / votes / power. Although you probably won't like where it ends up.

 

[Volatile]

After some thought, i'm pushing the age limit up to 28

Lol well thankfully i'll still be eligible.

I have always wondered about this as well. If you take the argument that life is a gift from God and should be protected, then you can't rationally argue that humans can take away someone's gift from God. For those raised in / associated with the Evangelical church, it's like saying that God gives Grace and redemption, but human beings can decide when to revoke someone else's Grace and redemption based on their actions. The latter would be an anathema in practically every evangelical church I've ever been in.

At least I understand (but don't identify with) the approved Catholic stance: pro-life is pro-life, whether that's infants or convicts. They're consistent at least on paper (so far as I know).

I would wager that Liberals in general don't push suicide / euthanasia because the liberal political parties don't have much to gain. At best, they people who may or may not be around long to vote for them the following season. Additionally, it would backfire in that many family / friends would blame the party for those laws being passed. Always follow the money / votes / power. Although you probably won't like where it ends up.

Democrats have been shown to use dead people to vote for them, so if anything they should support euthanasia. More posthumous votes for them lol

 

[AsexualBarbieBoy]

Most people cannot fathom wanting to actually die. Hence, it is assumed that anyone suicidal cannot be in their right mind.

 

[NextSummer]

Euthanasia should be even less controversial than abortion, because when it comes to abortion, there might! be two people involved.

 

[Roger]

Most people cannot fathom wanting to actually die. Hence, it is assumed that anyone suicidal cannot be in their right mind.

Exactly. This belief is what gives a foundation to the Mental Health Act provisions (in UK - similar in other countries) which permit arrest, unlimited imprisonment, deprivation of basic rights and assault by the authorities, without any crime being committed, nor even suspicion of a crime.

 

[pleasethistime]

At least they can start with not saving those who attempt.
Problem is we are all mentally ill according to others.

 

[LifeIsNotFun]

They want to keep you alive as long as possible to feed the system of enslavement with usury. We are just walking dollar signs. Human life to the 1% is meaningless, we're all expendable. I can't wait to CTB!

 

[KnightOfEnceladus]

Because "liberal" in the US is center-right in the civilized world, that's why. The best most of them can be called is neoliberal, which is a nice way of saying "economic right-wing Mammon worshiper who thinks that maybe gays don't deserve to die," contrasted with neoconservative which is "economic loonie-bin right Mammon worshiper who thinks RJ Rushdoony is essentially the second coming."

The US has virtually no actual leftist presence, especially not comapred to the actual first world.

 

[RainAndSadness]

Because "liberal" in the US is center-right in the civilized world, that's why. The best most of them can be called is neoliberal, which is a nice way of saying "economic right-wing Mammon worshiper who thinks that maybe gays don't deserve to die," contrasted with neoconservative which is "economic loonie-bin right Mammon worshiper who thinks RJ Rushdoony is essentially the second coming."

The US has virtually no actual leftist presence, especially not comapred to the actual first world.

Good points. The democrats in the US aren't really left-wing. And as a lefty, I don't like them either. It's also worth to mention that liberals and lefties aren't the same, although they often get thrown into the same box for some reason.

 

[dreamsofdestruction]

Most people cannot fathom wanting to actually die. Hence, it is assumed that anyone suicidal cannot be in their right mind.

Ever considered that suicidal ideation might actually be more common than you assume, but most people will actually recover from it or learn to live with recurring thoughts like that?

I am not always very attached to being alive

Chronic, passive suicidal ideation is like living in the ocean. Let’s start talking about how to tread water.

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[NextSummer]

Society supports "right-to-die" only if it's ensured that this doesn't lead to a situation where "healthy persons" with a "temporary suicide crisis" don't suicide. One has to find answers to this and engage into activism. Politicians will not pick this topic up themselves.

 

[toolateforme]

Knowing that we can at any point terminate our lives can be a powerful incentive. "Okay, now I can do anything. If the heat gets to be too much, I can push 'eject, game over,' and I don't have to worry about the conditions I've created for myself." To many this is considered "weak, avoidance, cheating, sinful," etc., but that is just a human judgment intent on keeping us as their pawns, playing by their rules, condemned by their bogey gods, afraid to take the Final Power into their own hands and projecting this onto us as some sort of cosmic sin. After all, if they have to suffer in this shit-hole we're making of the world, we should be required to suffer it too, right? They'll say that we're a "sore loser" or a "spoiled-sport" (their game was ruined) if we don't remain inside their pitiful, finite game (cf. Carse, Watts) and submit to our position.

They are condemned to Hell in a life they deserve, and one's power to end one's own life is like a "secret weapon." Remember those spy movies and stories? (We may pretend we're a spy.) There's always the "cyanide pill" if we're captured or enter into a situation which may compromise our values and goals. If we condition ourselves to ingest it (something that these stories never talk about, but the spies have to endure it to break anti-suicidal conditioning)—that is, to terminate our lives—then we're better equipped to attain anything we want, or to die after feeling that our efforts were thwarted. It is arguable that this is one of the strengths of certain Asian martial codes, such as bushido, which focus so intently on the death of the participant.

 

[dreamsofdestruction]

3.7% is a mega minority. Hardly much.

I suspect that might actually be higher. Depression is much more common and I would assume suicidal ideation is rather common for depressed people at least at some points.

 

[WinterIsComing]

Not only liberals also leftists

 

[Empty Smile]

The Democrats are against suicide because that will be less taxes they can collect.

 

[Angst Filled Fuck Up]

In general I find the left far more open to euthanasia and such, but that's not to say I support either side (both are wrong a lot of the time imo).

I think it has more to do with virtue signaling than political ideology though. People want to feel good about themselves. They want to feel like they can make a difference or save a life. But on the whole I feel like who cares whether it's endorsed or not. It's hard to care about approval when you're dead.

 

[TowerUpright]

In general I find the left far more open to euthanasia and such, but that's not to say I support either side (both are wrong a lot of the time imo).

I think it has more to do with virtue signaling than political ideology though. People want to feel good about themselves. They want to feel like they can make a difference or save a life. But on the whole I feel like who cares whether it's endorsed or not. It's hard to care about approval when you're dead.

I'm more cynical in this - a lot of this is related to the Conservative Christian base. The right wing can't afford to alienate the American Christian base. Shoot - a large amount of them are party leaders. Without the "Lockstep Values Voters," the Republican party would lose a lot more of the national election. And they'd lose major support from them if they supported euthanasia.

Politics isn't the answer here (arguably, politics is rarely the answer to anything).

 

[Mort]

Well we could do like in logus run :) ? Not a bad way to live HAHA :)

 

[Shamana]

Eusthanasia is a difficult subject. Some can get behind terminally ill people being allowed to choose a peacefull exit. With people who suffer from mental health issues and chronic but not terminal illness it's more difficult to have a consensus about when its ethical to allow suicide. And then there is obviously the whole afterlife or non-afterlife issue about whether death ends suffering anyway.

Personally I can understand why many people caught up in suffering have suicide ideation, I'm one of them, but I also don't approve of the sometime non-chalant attitude some posters here have for suicide. It is a incredibly serious thing and will don't doubt sadden and traumatize family and friends.

 

[stuckforawhile]

Ever considered

No, they have not. There are a lot of kids and people here, whose personality disorders or depression stunts their cognition to a degree where only banal bullshit comes out.

 

[johnonymous]

As though conservatives were all for it.