Discussion Why don't we fight for our right to die?

[Sadbanana]

The right to die movement seems reather non existent. We at best wisper about it at safe places, like this website. But there are no protests, no political pressure, no spreading of awareness.

Do you really think society will ever care if we don't advocate for ourselves?

They frame us as irrational madmans for trying to take our lives. They don't listen to our reasons and assume we are just compulsive and need to be locked up to cool down.

They completely ignore the reality of the nature of things like depression ans cptsd, assuming it's easily treatable. They pretend that every suicidal person has a mental illnesses, even though in many cases, we just don't have a life worth living, because of poverty, low social status, loneliness, chronic pain and countless other posible reasons.

They ignore us because of selfishness, because we don't fit into their pink glasses. Whether it's their idealistic ideology or religious belief about intrinsic value of life, it's incompatible with the reality we are forced to live.

Being trapped between the painful life and our fear of painful death is a horrible position to be. Yet they put us in it, by denying us the access to peaceful means of suicide. We have to rely on either painful or unpredictable methods.

I want a world, where I can say that I'm suicidal without being afraid of consequences. I don't want to be hospitalized, or have someone who never suffered like me lecture me about how "Life is though, but it's beutiful." or how it's "All just in your head".

I don't want being constantly adversed suicide helplines as if it was a magic pill, wheb they are known to be absolutely useless.

Most importantly I want as an adult have right for peaceful death, when I decide so.

 

[LetMeOut67]

Yes there definitely needs to be an organised campaign
I think there is increasing recognition that we live in a hellscape
Vast amounts opting for self deletion would make society and its rulers look evil (and they would be embarrassed by that)
Which they are
Obviously they would prefer it if we just carried on killing ourselves even if it means disrupting the rail network (a popular method here in the UK)

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

Because right now in most countries people who are suicidal can be institutionalized involuntarily, if we would want to fight I'd need to be violent, any other form will just have us picked up and send to the psychiatric ward.

 

[loakms8]

because most people are fine with the status quo

most are not depressed or dont want to outright says so

most gave up but are now just living shells

and many other reasons

will we, even organized, make a huge enough impact?

i hope so, but no one knows

then there is religious and capitalism which are against it

at least these are what i think

 

[UltimateTrip]

In my country there have been many petitions to the president regarding this, but they didn't get enough signatures (25k required). And now, with the war taking place no one in the government will seriously consider this matter, 'cause the machine needs meat for its survival.

 

[deathisapanacea]

People who want to end themselves are not in a shape to organize and fight for this right and people who don't want to end themselves are at best apathetic towards this or worst case they are vehemently opposed to it.

 

[Sadbanana]

will we, even organized, make a huge enough impact?

Yes. Think about gay and trans people. There is really not so many of them, but they are advocating for themselves loudly and relentlessly and deffinitely managed to change a lot about the society.

People who want to end themselves are not in a shape to organize and fight for this right and people who don't want to end themselves are at best apathetic towards this or worst case they are vehemently opposed to it.

Well, I'm willing to fight for it. It's true I'm barely able to leave my bed, but this is something for which I would be willing to do it. After all this society made me go through, it at least owes me a peaceful death!

 

[loakms8]

Yes. Think about gay and trans people. There is really not so many of them, but they are advocating for themselves loudly and relentlessly and deffinitely managed to change a lot about the society.

Well, I'm willing to fight for it. It's true I'm barely able to leave my bed, but this is something for which I would be willing to do it. After all this society made me go through, it at least owes me a peaceful death!

lets come up with a plan then. what can we do

 

[lunar02102009]

The right to die movement seems reather non existent. We at best wisper about it at safe places, like this website. But there are no protests, no political pressure, no spreading of awareness.

Do you really think society will ever care if we don't advocate for ourselves?

They frame us as irrational madmans for trying to take our lives. They don't listen to our reasons and assume we are just compulsive and need to be locked up to cool down.

They completely ignore the reality of the nature of things like depression ans cptsd, assuming it's easily treatable. They pretend that every suicidal person has a mental illnesses, even though in many cases, we just don't have a life worth living, because of poverty, low social status, loneliness, chronic pain and countless other posible reasons.

They ignore us because of selfishness, because we don't fit into their pink glasses. Whether it's their idealistic ideology or religious belief about intrinsic value of life, it's incompatible with the reality we are forced to live.

Being trapped between the painful life and our fear of painful death is a horrible position to be. Yet they put us in it, by denying us the access to peaceful means of suicide. We have to rely on either painful or unpredictable methods.

I want a world, where I can say that I'm suicidal without being afraid of consequences. I don't want to be hospitalized, or have someone who never suffered like me lecture me about how "Life is though, but it's beutiful." or how it's "All just in your head".

I don't want being constantly adversed suicide helplines as if it was a magic pill, wheb they are known to be absolutely useless.

Most importantly I want as an adult have right for peaceful death, when I decide so.

We are too broken to even kill ourself if we fight for our right to die we might as well die for it maybe for the future generations..i dont know about others i might be wrong but im too broken to show any courage and fight back i have surrendered and im ready to kms even if its painful because the mental pain is more severe

 

[Sadbanana]

lets come up with a plan then. what can we do

This idea needs to spread. That's the main thing, some of us are more passive don't, but as long as we are at least willing to believe it, stand up for it in discussion and share the idea its going to end up getting towards the active ones.

The actitude that we can't make a difference needs to go. There is more than enough people that would be willing to support this, if they don't give up immediately.

Many people love argueing. So once it becomes actually controversial and there will be both people aggressively defending and opposing the idea, that's when it takes off on its own.

 

[loakms8]

This idea needs to spread. That's the main thing, some of us are more passive don't, but as long as we are at least willing to believe it, stand up for it in discussion and share the idea its going to end up getting towards the active ones.

The actitude that we can't make a difference needs to go. There is more than enough people that would be willing to support this, if they don't give up immediately.

Many people love argueing. So once it becomes actually controversial and there will be both people aggressively defending and opposing the idea, that's when it takes off on its own.

true

i am pretty vocal about antinatalism

in reddit or other chat groups or forums

euthanasia maybe less so

will bring the topic up for sure

more exposure, it will spread for sure

 

[FadingSnowFake]

I think society will label us as crazy and wouldn't want to entertain such a movement fearing that more and more people may want to exercise the right to die since the system is broken, yet they need humans (broken or not) to keep on fuelling the same broken system.

It would be a worthwhile cause fighting for, though. But how, also given the personal nature of every individual case. While everyone should have the right to choose, in many cases, society is to blame. E.g., it would be unjust for abusers to "get away with murder" while victims get to die by choice. It's a sick world, and we should not have to be a part of it, but the sick system should also not get away with it.

Having said this, I'd be open to hearing ideas in support of such movement.

 

[LostZombie]

I think society will label us as crazy

When become you become too smart for your own good then you're crazy!
How ironic that people don't want us to think for ourselves when we are told to do so at young age; it's all up until it affects the status quo, then you are crazy.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Not that they should judge us but, imagine if you get a reputation for being someone who advocates for this. So much so that it becomes obvious to employers, would be employers, work colleagues. Maybe you could say you are passionate about other people's right to die but, if they get wind that you do too- imagine how that would change things.

While employers ought to be about equal opportunities- they will also be looking for staff who will stay with the company- most of the time. They may feel confident that assisted suicide won't come in anyway- to help us. But, it might suggest we are on the cusp of wanting to do it ourselves. Even though it's a prejudiced attitude, do we want them thinking we are potentially unstable and unreliable? Not if we need to work to feed ourselves!

I feel like you almost need to be able to afford to be viewed honestly as a suicidal person. Those who need to earn money to live are more likely trying to pass as a 'normie'.

I also doubt that public opinion would support assisted suicide for anyone but the terminally ill- maybe the chronically ill in time. And of course- those people absolutely deserve that option. I have a feeling it's on the way anyway.

To start smaller than that, how many people here would be prepared to tell even their own families how they felt? I imagine there's a great many that haven't.

I do agree with you actually- that the subject needs to be publicly aired but- I think people who do that are hugely brave. It's kind of inevitable which question would come next: 'Are you suicidal?' That's opening a can of worms for some people. They'll likely be put on suicide watch after that! It makes people panic. They swing into 'protecting' life rather than understanding they ought to be letting it choose for itself.

 

[Forveleth]

I am exhausted just getting through my day. I do not have the energy to fight with politicians, the medical field, and religion.

 

[darknessisfine8]

The right to die movement seems reather non existent. We at best wisper about it at safe places, like this website. But there are no protests, no political pressure, no spreading of awareness.

Do you really think society will ever care if we don't advocate for ourselves?

They frame us as irrational madmans for trying to take our lives. They don't listen to our reasons and assume we are just compulsive and need to be locked up to cool down.

They completely ignore the reality of the nature of things like depression ans cptsd, assuming it's easily treatable. They pretend that every suicidal person has a mental illnesses, even though in many cases, we just don't have a life worth living, because of poverty, low social status, loneliness, chronic pain and countless other posible reasons.

They ignore us because of selfishness, because we don't fit into their pink glasses. Whether it's their idealistic ideology or religious belief about intrinsic value of life, it's incompatible with the reality we are forced to live.

Being trapped between the painful life and our fear of painful death is a horrible position to be. Yet they put us in it, by denying us the access to peaceful means of suicide. We have to rely on either painful or unpredictable methods.

I want a world, where I can say that I'm suicidal without being afraid of consequences. I don't want to be hospitalized, or have someone who never suffered like me lecture me about how "Life is though, but it's beutiful." or how it's "All just in your head".

I don't want being constantly adversed suicide helplines as if it was a magic pill, wheb they are known to be absolutely useless.

Most importantly I want as an adult have right for peaceful death, when I decide so.

i guess we dont fight because thats just not as important for us . at least for me and people i recognise here .

other protests do it cuz there is something they can make better .

but for us . its all sickness and pain . nothing to change .

the right to die doesnt make our lives better .

honestly there are a lot more " rights " we have that have been crushed .

all the cruelty that led us all here .

but personally . i no longer care about this stuff . just here for a while .


and honestly . its not something that important .

ctb . takes just like 1h mostly . and then nothing . youre gone .

not that much to worry .

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Imo their suicide prohibition state is going to get worse .

New tech like Ai they are only going to use to control every human more . They'll be able to analyze every action, web search, text email , phone call , etc with Ai .and they'll lock u up in A mental hospital if any sign of suicidal intention

 

[Sadbanana]

Not that they should judge us but, imagine if you get a reputation for being someone who advocates for this. So much so that it becomes obvious to employers, would be employers, work colleagues. Maybe you could say you are passionate about other people's right to die but, if they get wind that you do too- imagine how that would change things.

While employers ought to be about equal opportunities- they will also be looking for staff who will stay with the company- most of the time. They may feel confident that assisted suicide won't come in anyway- to help us. But, it might suggest we are on the cusp of wanting to do it ourselves. Even though it's a prejudiced attitude, do we want them thinking we are potentially unstable and unreliable? Not if we need to work to feed ourselves!

I feel like you almost need to be able to afford to be viewed honestly as a suicidal person. Those who need to earn money to live are more likely trying to pass as a 'normie'.

I also doubt that public opinion would support assisted suicide for anyone but the terminally ill- maybe the chronically ill in time. And of course- those people absolutely deserve that option. I have a feeling it's on the way anyway.

To start smaller than that, how many people here would be prepared to tell even their own families how they felt? I imagine there's a great many that haven't.

I do agree with you actually- that the subject needs to be publicly aired but- I think people who do that are hugely brave. It's kind of inevitable which question would come next: 'Are you suicidal?' That's opening a can of worms for some people. They'll likely be put on suicide watch after that! It makes people panic. They swing into 'protecting' life rather than understanding they ought to be letting it choose for itself.

Yes I agree that I isn't easy, but the people that would get into problems could at least support this anonymously on internet.

Nothing will change unless we stand up for ourselves by all means we have. Every right we have had to be fought for at some point.

Plus if people are willing to ruin their carriers for "just stop oil". Then there deffinitely will be someone who can afford to protect publicly for this.

 

[ringo99]

There's no support thanks to overwhelming opposition. Our numbers are tiny compared to the general population. Religious groups oppose it for the usual bs reasons. Governments oppose it since a large number of people ctbing would create a lousy national image. We'd be maligned and attacked as people who promote death and achieve nothing in the end.

 

[SurprisedPikachu]

Hmm all good points, I still think its something that needs to be done.