Discussion Why does society hate selfishness more than criminal behavior?

[tommyhalpinkelly]

The best example to illustrate this is suicide. Despite not being technically illegal (no criminal record, jail time), the stigma is absolutely unbelievable. If you were to ask questions on the internet about why not to end your life vs why not to commit homicide, you would get extremely emotionally charged, hostile answers for the former. People speak very ill of suicide, moreso than any crime IMO. There's always guiltripping along with absolutist stance of suicide "never being the answer".

Why is this do you think?

 

[loz]

I think that most people aren't suicidal, and the idea that your entire outlook on life could be wrong is scary to most folks. Additional I think it is pretty paradoxical to be against suicide because it is "selfish," as wanting someone alive is inherently selfish in and of itself.

 

[Trashcan]

Can't say why, but just wanted to say I agree. Someone shoots up a school after getting bullied. They get sympathy. Someone commits suicide after getting bullied. Everyone goes on about how weak and selfish they are. (So it wasn't cowardly and selfish to fucking kill people who wanted to live? Alrighty then).

 

[Final Escape]

The best example to illustrate this is suicide. Despite not being technically illegal (no criminal record, jail time), the stigma is absolutely unbelievable. If you were to ask questions on the internet about why not to end your life vs why not to commit homicide, you would get extremely emotionally charged, hostile answers for the former. People speak very ill of suicide, moreso than any crime IMO. There's always guiltripping along with absolutist stance of suicide "never being the answer".

Why is this do you think?

I think people hate when you dip out of sharing the misery prematurely lol! Many view it as getting out of personal responsibility. It is harder to live and deal with the tragedy of life than it is to bail out prematurely. I'm not saying it's easy to successfully ctb, like it's easy to go through with it. It is the easier way out though, if u manage to succeed. It will cause pain to others who cared about you and sometimes leads other loved ones to ctb in response.

 

[TAW122]

I think that is it due to society's pro-life fetish of that life is always great, life is sacred, life is beautiful bullshit. In addition to this, I believe that it is also due to indoctrination of that mentality as well as optimism bias and false hope. Humans are terrible seers when it comes to calculating things such as hope, confidence, and things that aren't objective, particularly the pro-lifers and those who never really experienced true despair.

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

The brainwashing keeps people here, ever notice who owns most the hospitals? It's the religions. Something like 50% of all medical expenditure occurs in the last month of a person's life. Also take a look at who owns the churches, senators, business leaders ECT.

 

[NoOneKnows]

I think that is it due to society's pro-life fetish of that life is always great, life is sacred, life is beautiful bullshit. In addition to this, I believe that it is also due to indoctrination of that mentality as well as optimism bias and false hope. Humans are terrible seers when it comes to calculating things such as hope, confidence, and things that aren't objective, particularly the pro-lifers and those who never really experienced true despair.

""particularly the pro-lifers and those who never really experienced true despair. " - exactly, I dont even think the term pro-life is accurate, as I am 100% sure that each of this so called pro-life would choose CTB if you take away that which ensure their quality of life so to speak. Mostly its health mental/physical, but can be money, and endless scenarios....So in my eyes they are just full of BS, not pro life.

 

[Ben]

While I agree suicide is looked at as one of the worst things you can do to somebody else (ironically), I don't think it's quite as extreme as some are making it out to be.

I don't belive society holds murderers and rapists higher than suicides. While the anger of your self inflicted death may build up inside your loved ones, it would be less than if you killed or harmed somebody. You can do whatever you want to your own body, but you cannot do whatever you want to somebody else. No matter what the public says about suicide, deep down I think they all know it's absolutely not the worst thing you could of done.

To answer your question: They just need to say it because they want to scare people into thinking they don't have a choice when it comes to their own life.

If you gave the public the chance to bring back one of three people from the dead; One Murderer, One rapist, and One person who committed suicide...I think we all know who would get picked.

 

[Roulette]

I think the umbrella that covers both is society's pro-life stance overall. A lot of people don't believe in the death penalty, so naturally an anti-suicide stance is to be expected.

 

[TAW122]

I think the umbrella that covers both is society's pro-life stance overall. A lot of people don't believe in the death penalty, so naturally an anti-suicide stance is to be expected.

Is it true that the majority of the US doesn't believe in the death penalty? I'm asking since my experiences have been that people around me seem to be pro-death penalty.

 

[Roulette]

Is it true that the majority of the US doesn't believe in the death penalty? I'm asking since my experiences have been that people around me seem to be pro-death penalty.

From what I found, majority are still in favor of it however opposition to it has been increasing for ages now. Majority of the countries have abolished it though, so it's a pretty split issue

 

[GreenLantern]

I think we all agree suicide isn't selfish. It's actually selfish for people to try to prevent you from doing suicide if that's what you want to do.

Also, one thing that's ironic, what is one of the first things that people will say if someone does a murder-suicide? "I wish this person would've just killed themselves". After the mass shooting in Texas, Gov. Greg abbott said that the shooter surrendered even though he was suicidal, so he didn't have the courage to do the suicide.

 

[Justwantout]

Why is it selfish to not want to suffer? Do people think we have signed up for misery? Maybe not everyone is miserable and some people do have a good life and are happy. But not everyone. Why do people who haven't had to spend their lives being miserable and have no idea of how others have suffered get to make the decision for those that have?

 

[bigj75]

Why is it selfish to not want to suffer? Do people think we have signed up for misery? Maybe not everyone is miserable and some people do have a good life and are happy. But not everyone. Why do people who haven't had to spend their lives being miserable and have no idea of how others have suffered get to make the decision for those that have?

because its hard to relate to and understand something you haven't gone through yourself. People are raised to believe they can do anything no matter the circumstances and you choose to put yourself in whatever situation you are in.

 

[Justwantout]

because its hard to relate to and understand something you haven't gone through yourself. People are raised to believe they can do anything no matter the circumstances and you choose to put yourself in whatever situation you are in.

I'm pretty sure that I didn't choose the worst things that have happened to me. I'm pretty sure that if I could be happy, I would. But after everything I've gone through, it's not possible to be happy.

 

[Arak]

The brainwashing keeps people here, ever notice who owns most the hospitals? It's the religions. Something like 50% of all medical expenditure occurs in the last month of a person's life. Also take a look at who owns the churches, senators, business leaders ECT.

Oh yes. Not the point of this thread. But I think it's insane to spend that much money on medical treatment and care in someone's last 6 months (what I recall) or month. That just doesn't make any sense. Move some of that money forward, then it will do some good.