Why do some people start a shooting after getting bullied and others kill themselves or develop other (toxic) coping skills?

[noname223]

There was a shooting in Austria. There are reports he was a bullied loner. They say he radicalized himself with ego-shooters.

Now that we all have a degree in psychoanalysis I ask you this question. What differentiates the people who internalize pain and want to kill only themselves? And people who want to hurt others? In German we say "erweiterter Suizid" (extended suicide in English murder suicide)

I wonder is it hatred against society? I think many shooters kill random people often not even the people who bullied them.

I am a pretty peaceful/non-violent person. I had hatred against my mom who abused me. But I never wanted to hurt her. I thought the pain she will go through after my suicide will be punishment enough.

What do you think which processes take place inside the mind of a shooter? Is it true that the internet often radicalizes them?

 

[Seered Doom]

Ok, would love to have this discussion. In own opinion, think is more of isolation and suppression before trying to finding an echo chamber feeling supported in and get radicalization from on or offline sources. Can be idealizing media not online too

 

[WhiteRabbit]

Antisocial personality disorder. Traits like psychopathy and sociopathy.

 

[Alreadylate]

I think this is what psychologists call ''the lucifer effect'' or to be pissed off. In my opinion any kind of person under the right stimulus can end up doing such things, I don't really think it was caused by videogames.
I don't see those people as the monsters the media portrays them to be. I've been there...

 

[Interdegenerate]

I don't know. A part of me is jealous of people who have no problem with expressing themselves violently. My entire family is meek, so we're all just silent, subservient sufferers. I have no idea how one can premeditated violence. Violent impulses have no power over me because I realize that the aftermath will make my problems 10x worse (like breaking something in a rage, for instance). Just because I'm not violent or boisterous doesn't even make a morally good person, it just means that I'm unequipped to deal with this violent world and people can take advantage of me much more easily.

 

[LastNite]

I was bullied as a teen at school I never really had friends at school or any where else so I was alone all the time but I never thought of harming someone for it. I never fought back or tried to stop anyone from bullying me. It's definitely something within that person. Some people tend to be violent and some don't. People also like to develop stereotypes for people like that. They think bullied+lonely+quiet = shooter. I hated that. I remember some kids trying to befriend me and one of them did mention something about a shooting and how I should let them know. It's fucking cringe as fuck. I never even thought of that. It's like racism but it's not racism idk. I just know that not everyone who is bullied ends up shooting people. It's a minority.

 

[bankai]

Unfortunately it's just innately ingrained in each individual to rather be kind or cruel.

it isn't society that creatures monsters it's nature. people are born like that. lot of cruel people have had fantastic upbringings(Elliott Rodger) and lot of very nice people have been terribly abused in their past.

then there's lastly the question. do you have the willpower to refrain from being evil? there are paedophiles that refuse to molest children, how about that?

 

[Dyingoportunity]

At least from what I've learned from spending my entire life in the states, the ones who were bullied are living out a fuck up power fantasy over those the perceived to have done them wrong, even if some of the targets had nothing to do with the suffering of the bullied. More often than not, these types of shooters externalize their problems, blaming others for their difficulties and showing a tendency to seek revenge for past grievances instead of internalizing how others treated them and developing self hatred like a lot of us who have wound up here on SaSu do.

And then you have the nut jobs who idolize violence for the sake of violence, like Columbine High Shooting in 1999. These one an are more likely to just be clinical psychopaths who want power and control at any cost and don't care about who they hurt. They do it just because.

it's unacceptable regardless of why they do it.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Antisocial personality disorder. Traits like psychopathy and sociopathy.

Sociopathy is an outdated term, and I don't think that there isn't a lot of research on psychopathy and ASPD and their connection to school shootings, at least to my knowledge. Along with that, just blaming school shootings on psychological conditions alone is a way too simplistic take on the matter.

 

[bleeding_heart_show]

This paper by Peter Langman may be of interest to you.

I feel I should add my thoughts on this. just leaving a link is boring! Unfortunately I have little to say on the topic unfortunately.

Here goes; analyzing commonalities in mass murderers is a good idea in theory, but in practice all that is found are traits that are common amongst the general populace. It is another example of the pathologization of human behaviour. We cannot prevent mass murders by institutionalizing anyone that expresses these traits because expressing them is not a crime.

 

[ImnotCTB]

There are 2 types, those who do it for a reason and those who do it for a stupid reason.
Those who do it for a reason went past the uhhmm... trigger line? whatever that was called I forgot. Everyone has the... trigger line, hypothetically you only need to flick the right trigger at the right amounts then give them access to firearms to go ratatatata. Hypothetically. Actually I'm not sure. It's not like I have prior experience.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I wonder the same thing about incels. Some will begrudgingly accept it. They'll feel bitter but it doesn't spill over into intense anger. Whereas, for others, it will. Sometimes I wonder if it's to do with feeling entitlement. You surely can't feel quite so angry about not having something if you didn't feel entitled to it in the first place.

Obviously, we're all entitled to feel joy and to be respected. We can't exactly expect/ demand people to like or love us though. Obviously, it's upsetting when they don't but- these are people with free will. They shouldn't be expected to be forced to do anything just to please us.

I wonder if entitlement and the reverse- self hatred and self denial are things we learn. It is puzzling though. To actually kill- that's such intense anger.

 

[alwaysalone]

I think it's dependent on the person's personality. There are some who naturally would never be violent even if violence is perpetrated on them. They may be in defense of a loved one buy maybe not. There are others who will perpetrate violence because they think it's fun. At it's core it's the nature vs nurture argument. Why when children are raised in the same household by the same parents does one turn out more aggressive than another? Why does one turn into a serial killer and one is "average and normal". Personally I believe it's how the individual responds to whatever stimuli. Whether it's bullying or love we react differently.