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Footballer who took own life had been 'laughing and joking' on day he died

A former footballer from Runcorn who took his own life in February had no history of mental illness and showed no signs he had any intention of harming himself – even laughing and joking about the snowy weather on the day he died.

Kieron Durkan, 44, of Roland Avenue, who once scored a goal for Wrexham against Manchester United in the FA Cup, was found dead in his car in Wigg Island car park, Runcorn by his niece's boyfriend Anthony Collins shortly before 12.30am on Wednesday, February 28.

Mr Durkan's wife, Kay had reported him missing to the police earlier that day after he did not reply to texts and calls, which was out of character, the inquest into his death heard today.

Toxicology tests indicated carbon monoxide levels in Mr Durkan's blood were well over fatal levels.

Police officers found household items that had been used for the release of the gas inside the car, which was parked with the engine off.

Detective Inspector Clare Coleman said there was no sign of trauma or injury and Mr Durkan was sat up with his head back on the headrest.

One of the crime scene investigation officers who arrived at the scene at 2am recognised Mr Durkan as having served as a police community support officer (PCSO) in Halton in 2004.

Coroner Claire Welch, read evidence from Sophia Khan, Mr Durkan's GP, who said he had no history of mental health problems and had never expressed any intent to kill himself.

Mrs Durkan said her husband had been his 'normal self' in the time leading up to his death.

The only times when he had seemed not entirely himself was the Friday prior to his death when he had been 'quieter than usual' during drinks with relatives, and he had also pulled out of a family run at Ruthin the previous weekend due to he described as a 'migraine'.

Mrs Durkan told the inquest they had been happy and had been talking about their future plans.

She said: "We were talking about growing old together and going to live abroad. It was never mentioned that we wouldn't be together."

Discussing the morning on the day he died, she said: "It had been snowing the night before and we were laughing and joking about how it never snowed in Runcorn.
"We had a bit of a chat and I said I loved him and then left for work."

PC Daniel Richardson, who examined CCTV footage of Mr Durkan's movements on February 27, found footage from Runcorn Shopping City showing Mr Durkan buying items later used to take his own life from The Range store at around 10.30am, with Mr Durkan handing over a £20 note and waiting for the change.

Footage obtained from the Old Quay Bridge over the Manchester Ship Canal, showed Mr Durkan in a blue Proton car crossing at 11.11am.

An examination of his phone found a text message written – but not sent – that said he loved his wife and other family members.

The phone's internet search history showed multiple search terms relating to how to take one's own life and 'painless' means to do so.

He left no note.

Pathologist Nawal Alash found no signs of trauma or injury on Mr Durkan and said his pinkish skin colouring was consistent with carbon monoxide poisoning.

Mrs Durkan told the inquest she had sent a text at 2pm on February and had not received a reply but as she was in work had to wait until later to follow up with a call.

When she could not make contact, she set off to look for him in places he might usually be.

At 7pm she spoke to Mr Durkan's mother and became worried when she found out his mum had not heard from him either.

She said: "We message all day every day and I hadn't heard from him at all and that's why I was worried.

"His car wasn't there and I had been all the places he would normally be and just nothing.

"He had never done anything like this at all."

The coroner said that the standard of proof for inquests is based on the balance of probabilities, and as such she concluded that Mr Durkan took his own life and the cause of death was carbon monoxide poisoning.

She expressed her condolences to his family and said the shock of someone taking their own life in such circumstances must be 'unimaginable'.

Mrs Welch said the CCTV evidence, the internet search history, toxicology and post mortem findings indicated Mr Durkan intended to take his own life by carbon monoxide poisoning.

Summarising the unexpected nature of the death, she said: "There was no mental health history.

"There weren't signs - other than he was a little bit quieter the Friday before - that that was what he was intending to do.

"Outwardly there was no suggestion he was intending to end his life."
 
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Succesful attempts like this are reassuring. It's just that I sometimes come across failed CO attempts (woke up with headache, brain damage etc.) in here and 8ch but maybe failed attempts are rare compared to the many other succesful ones.
 
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Dip

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I failed my CO2 attempt, but that was because I didn't seal up the tent and assumed it would be badly ventilated enough.
 
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Zanexx

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I failed my CO2 attempt, but that was because I didn't seal up the tent and assumed it would be badly ventilated enough.
Any tips on how to avoid this?
 
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Morning Angel

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Anybody have a good guide or resource for CO? If so, please PM me!
 
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Dip

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Any tips on how to avoid this?

Seal up your confined space as much as you can. There's also a certain way you're supposed to burn the charcoal to maximize the amount of CO (just noticed I made an error in my previous post calling it CO2 lol) but I can't remember what it is now, best to look it up.
 
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RoloTomasi

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Seal up your confined space as much as you can. There's also a certain way you're supposed to burn the charcoal to maximize the amount of CO (just noticed I made an error in my previous post calling it CO2 lol) but I can't remember what it is now, best to look it up.

Use a chimney starter to light up the briquettes, until the briqs are already turning to ash gray or white and after the rising flame disappear. Then pour them to a grill or a steel bucket. Should be producing CO now minus the smoke etc.
 
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creatureoflight

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I couldn't do this-don't you have to breathe in all that smoke to die?
 
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Bouts of depression

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I couldn't do this-don't you have to breathe in all that smoke to die?

It isn't smoke. If your coals are smoking, you are doing it too soon. Wait for them to get all the way white. They are crazy hot, but the"smoke" is now carbon monoxide. That's the magic right there.
A little time in an enclosed area and then you fall asleep.
 
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Yep chimney. Really blast that charcoal good. Should look deadish as you dump it out into a bucket to carry inside.
I couldn't do this-don't you have to breathe in all that smoke to die?
You do not. You let all smoke and soot burn off outside for an hour before bringing it in. CO is not smoke, it's an invisible, tasteless, oudourless gas that has killed more people than all other poisons added together.
 
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ThereIsNoHope

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Is it viable to light coal in a car?
 
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wezel

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I have thought long and hard about that, but I live in a smallish apartment and cannot really burn that coal in there, even if I deactivate
the smoke alarms. Doing it in the window might alert the neighbours...they always have their stupid faces out somewhere.
What a kerfuffle.
But I do believe it is a very reliable method if properly done.
 
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Is it viable to light coal in a car?
No, unless you want to cough your guts up and enjoy stinging eyes.
Also, fire risk. Flames can be 3ft high as it burns at the start, you don't want that in your car until it's grey/orange and calm.
 
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Seal up your confined space as much as you can. There's also a certain way you're supposed to burn the charcoal to maximize the amount of CO (just noticed I made an error in my previous post calling it CO2 lol) but I can't remember what it is now, best to look it up.
I have chimney starter, briquettes and one of those gas oven lighter things as well as a BBQ bucket. :wink:
 
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Funny story - the police officer who discovered my paraphernalia immediately identified that the tent could be used for the CO method, said to my friend that people are going that way a lot now and that (hypothetically) if he was going to leave that would be how he would want to do it
 
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Dip

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I have chimney starter, briquettes and one of those gas oven lighter things as well as a BBQ bucket. :wink:

You're better prepared than I was all those months ago ^^

Funny story - the police officer who discovered my paraphernalia immediately identified that the tent could be used for the CO method, said to my friend that people are going that way a lot now and that (hypothetically) if he was going to leave that would be how he would want to do it

I've heard it's a popular method in Asia too. Interesting that people in the US are adopting this method over more "traditional" methods like shooting and hanging.
 
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Zanexx

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You're better prepared than I was all those months ago ^^



I've heard it's a popular method in Asia too. Interesting that people in the US are adopting this method over more "traditional" methods like shooting and hanging.
I'm not in the US, I'm in the UK so people don't shoot here but they do hang usually. Apparently charcoal in a tent (not a car due to lack of CO in modern ones) is becoming more popular though.
 
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I think it's because accidental deaths via CO in tents are happening a lot and getting media attention so people are picking up on that and deciding to try it. When I was in the camping shop there were signs up everything saying CO kills, never bring your BBQ into a tent (even inside the actual tents)
 
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Dip

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I'm not in the US, I'm in the UK so people don't shoot here but they do hang usually. Apparently charcoal in a tent (not a car due to lack of CO in modern ones) is becoming more popular though.

Oops, I remembered you came from somewhere starting with a U.

I think it's because accidental deaths via CO in tents are happening a lot and getting media attention so people are picking up on that and deciding to try it. When I was in the camping shop there were signs up everything saying CO kills, never bring your BBQ into a tent (even inside the actual tents)

Talk about an influential media.
 
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Oops, I remembered you came from somewhere starting with a U.



Talk about an influential media.
If they want to avoid people leaving they should probably put up some signs saying CO is beautiful, keep your BBQ on you at all times when in enclosed spaces
 
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jizz676

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i have a house where i could be alone but on the same floor there are other apartments with people, could I risk these lifes with this method, or maybe they will see the smoke or they smell something and call the police...maybe if the flames are high I could also burn my bed or other wood things
 
bigj75

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Because nothing is 100%. Every single method we have on this forum has failed before. Charcoal failure will fuck you up for the rest of your life that's why people worry because you pretty much have only one chance to get that right or you are fucked.
 
Deivis

Deivis

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Jul 23, 2018
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"....and showed no signs he had any intention of harming himself"


Harming himself.... What a misnomer! He had relieved himself, not harmed. Fucking idiots who wrote that!

On topic: Because partial susp is not working for me (see my other posts), I will start experimenting with CO in a few days. I'm going to order an industrial-grade CO meter.
The grill, the starter, and briqs are already here. I'll try to post my findings as best as I can.

What do you think, when coals/briqs are cooked enough, does it makes any sense to cover the grill with any lid? A few layers of tinfoil? I think it would keep the heat inside + keep the oxygen level low, for better "cooking"... ?
 
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s_girl

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I know this is an older post, but that's seriously awful to have a coroner's inquest like that. I wonder if it was because he was a bit of a celebrity?

Suicides are all investigated by the coroner here, but to have a public inquest like that, is truly terrifying!

I wonder if there's a way for us to avoid it...?
 
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I know this is an older post, but that's seriously awful to have a coroner's inquest like that. I wonder if it was because he was a bit of a celebrity?

Suicides are all investigated by the coroner here, but to have a public inquest like that, is truly terrifying!

I wonder if there's a way for us to avoid it...?

You're right, if he never scored against Man U he'd have remained a nobody and the newspaper may have given it 3 lines if any.
Thats how UK news reporters are, they can treat you as hero or zero, depending if their story will sell more copies.
 
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jizz676

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I constantly wake up during the night...I think it wont work for me...Im quite sure I will have nausea and headache and will fail . nembutal is a lot better for me...much more faster and cant fail...the problem is the money.
 
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bbq1

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I constantly wake up during the night...I think it wont work for me...Im quite sure I will have nausea and headache and will fail . nembutal is a lot better for me...much more faster and cant fail...the problem is the money.
N is actually slower. A reasonable 5000ppm of CO will kill in 30 mins.
Nembutal users are advised to have 12 hours alone time put aside, 24hrs if possible. Plus if you puke as you drink it or in your sleep it's game over.
Good luck be with you.
 
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jizz676

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N is actually slower. A reasonable 5000ppm of CO will kill in 30 mins.
Nembutal users are advised to have 12 hours alone time put aside, 24hrs if possible. Plus if you puke as you drink it or in your sleep it's game over.
Good luck be with you.
can I reach 5000ppm in a bathroom? Im afraid the neighboors on the same floor smell something and see the smoke...I thought to do it at lunch time...or is it better at dinner? and I thought to leave windows open the first 30 mins of burning then close everything...briquettes are better I read
 
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jizz676

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because at dinner time nobody works but during the day Im more alone on the floor...I stay up all night so I will be tired at lunch time...and will take some psychiatric drugs to sleep better so I wont wake up so easily
 

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