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death will be my ultimate bliss
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What reasons do people have for living? I don't understand it. Personally, I always saw any and all suffering that happened to me as a bad thing and, additionally, something that overwhelms me so much to where I'd rather be dead than to live. What makes people want to live even though they suffer? Am I just weak willed overall or is there a different underlying reason for this phenomenon?
 
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Hope of getting better off course! Taking your own life isn't directly a walk in the park! It's THE END! If it was that easy you probably would have done it already, don't you think. It's a very complex question with many different factors and sentiments. 💗 I wonder what's keeping you here? Since your so misrabel.
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Materialism as a means to an end
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For me its my Mom and pets, my Mom took care of me alone since i was a child, so i basically have a very strong bond with her and i can't bear to think of how much pain she would be if i were to die, and my 2 dogs have been with me ever since i was 12, they are my only friends...
So that makes me try my best to move on and get better.
 
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Mirrory Me

"More then your eyes can see..."
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Faith and hope and also love and connections.
 
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ijustwishtodie

ijustwishtodie

death will be my ultimate bliss
Oct 29, 2023
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Hope of getting better off course! Taking your own life isn't directly a walk in the park! It's THE END! If it was that easy you probably would have done it already, don't you think. It's a very complex question with many different factors and sentiments. 💗 I wonder what's keeping you here? Since your so misrabel.
Xo❤️
When you ask me what's keeping me here, I'm not sure if you're referring to me being alive or me being on this site. If it's the latter, I'm here because the suffering and pain I go through outweighs the happiness that I get in return. Because of my neurotype, I can't easily access the things that makes people happy. Additionally, I react extremely to even the most minute of sufferings

If you ask why I'm alive, it's because of laziness and lack of energy to do something about that. That's why I don't do anything to recover nor do I do anything to kill myself. I don't have any energy to do anything
 
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Because of my neurotype, I can't easily access the things that makes people happy. Additionally, I react extremely to even the most minute of sufferings
I guess there are many people like you here, including me. I was quite happy when I was little, but as I approached adulthood, it started to darken. I guess I would have liked to be good at everything so that I could have keep in believing in myself.
 
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When you ask me what's keeping me here, I'm not sure if you're referring to me being alive or me being on this site. If it's the latter, I'm here because the suffering and pain I go through outweighs the happiness that I get in return. Because of my neurotype, I can't easily access the things that makes people happy. Additionally, I react extremely to even the most minute of sufferings

If you ask why I'm alive, it's because of laziness and lack of energy to do something about that. That's why I don't do anything to recover nor do I do anything to kill myself. I don't have any energy to do anything
I don't know what to say, or to help you! I wish I could! Like everything else, it's that first step out of the comfort zone that is crucial. And that actually can bring you some meaning in life! Talking to an therapist, without thinking yourself have all the answers. (Beginners mindset) could be a start. I hope you fiend your way out of this💘
 
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Most people experience more joy than they do suffering.
 
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death will be my ultimate bliss
Oct 29, 2023
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I guess there are many people like you here, including me. I was quite happy when I was little, but as I approached adulthood, it started to darken. I guess I would have liked to be good at everything so that I could have keep in believing in myself.
I wasn't even happy when I was younger either. I suffered from the same things then that I do now with the exception of bullying. I never made a single friend then and I never made a single friend now. I didn't really have much interests then and I don't now
Most people experience more joy than they do suffering.
But how? I don't get it. The only real differences I have from them is that I never made a single friend throughout my entire life (which includes childhood), I don't really have a supportive family (I feel like I got emotionally neglected according to western standards anyway), I don't really have any interests or things I can enjoy and I don't have any ambitions for life or work. Would I be like them and experience more joy than suffering if I were to have the things they did?
 
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I wasn't even happy when I was younger either. I suffered from the same things then that I do now with the exception of bullying. I never made a single friend then and I never made a single friend now. I didn't really have much interests then and I don't now

But how? I don't get it. The only real differences I have from them is that I never made a single friend throughout my entire life (which includes childhood), I don't really have a supportive family (I feel like I got emotionally neglected according to western standards anyway), I don't really have any interests or things I can enjoy and I don't have any ambitions for life or work. Would I be like them and experience more joy than suffering if I were to have the things they did?
Probably, yeah. Most people do have hobbies and family and friends and ambitions that they can turn to when other aspects of their lives are bad. Lacking any or all of those things takes a pretty big toll on a person.
 
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Earned it we have...
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A big one is obligation to others. Stronger still is love for others. My Grandma was in so much pain for such a long time but she loved her family so much I suppose that she held on for all of us. There's no way I'd put up with living in that much pain.

That said- I'm holding on for my Dad to go first. It's not that he is emotionally blackmailing me. He doesn't realise I'm suicidal. It's simply that I can't bear the thought of what my suicide would do to him. I don't want him to suffer.

Beyond that- it's trying to make the best of it. Trying to find distractions I found meaningful and sustainable.
 
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Like most people, it is the human connection. In my case, I am still here for my children.
 
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ijustwishtodie

death will be my ultimate bliss
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A big one is obligation to others. Stronger still is love for others. My Grandma was in so much pain for such a long time but she loved her family so much I suppose that she held on for all of us. There's no way I'd put up with living in that much pain.
I got neither love nor a feeling of obligation to others. That probably contributes to me being suicidal
Like most people, it is the human connection. In my case, I am still here for my children.
Yeah, I guess me having the lack of human connection contributes to me being suicidal. That said, I don't really want any offspring either. They'll make my life a bigger living hell than what it already is
 
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I got neither love nor a feeling of obligation to others. That probably contributes to me being suicidal

Yeah, I guess me having the lack of human connection contributes to me being suicidal. That said, I don't really want any offspring either. They'll make my life a bigger living hell than what it already is

Yeah- I think that is a point. Many people are suicidal in part because they are alone. I suspect many think if they had someone, it would stop them- and maybe it would.

Still, the sad truth is for some- they have plenty of people that love them but none the less, can't help them. Then, they just tend to feel like tethers that you can even grow to resent! It's like they're there but they're clinging on to a previous version of you that has kind of already died. So- you're still there for them in body but your spirit is already lost and you're just begrudgingly going through the motions for their sake. Sorry- that's probably too depressing for the recovery section.
 
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the living dead
Aug 17, 2023
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there's joy where you look for it, and there's suffering where you look for it. both are in the terms and conditions of life but aint none of us read that shit
 
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Would you still want to die if you were guaranteed that the only amount of suffering during your life was a stubbed toe or something equally benign?

If your answer to that is no, then this is just a debate about the highest acceptable amount of suffering. If my quality of life was higher and I was able to eat food and play video games (which is still a low bar to be honest), I would be pretty content with my life. I could find meaning even through the pain and enjoy my little corner of the universe. I know that is still far from a normal life outside, with people and everything there is, but that is my minimum. Life below that is not worth living for me. It is like living the last days of cancer but for a year or more. Pretty much hell as depicted, which is the main reason I am not afraid to die - that there cant be anything worse than this.
 
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death will be my ultimate bliss
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there's joy where you look for it, and there's suffering where you look for it. both are in the terms and conditions of life but aint none of us read that shit
Where can one look for joy? I can look for suffering easily as it's everywhere but, as for joy, I don't understand it at all.
Would you still want to die if you were guaranteed that the only amount of suffering during your life was a stubbed toe or something equally benign?

If your answer to that is no, then this is just a debate about the highest acceptable amount of suffering. If my quality of life was higher and I was able to eat food and play video games (which is still a low bar to be honest), I would be pretty content with my life. I could find meaning even through the pain and enjoy my little corner of the universe. I know that is still far from a normal life outside, with people and everything there is, but that is my minimum. Life below that is not worth living for me. It is like living the last days of cancer but for a year or more. Pretty much hell as depicted, which is the main reason I am not afraid to die - that there cant be anything worse than this.
Honestly, yeah, if my suffering was akin to a stubbed toe, I'd want to continue living. However, I don't want to live forever under any conditions so I'd want to be dead eventually.

The highest acceptable amount of suffering is different for everybody as everybody reacts to suffering differently. There have been many people who suffered worse than me yet still choose to live and fight. Then there are people like me who can't even describe in great detail why they're suffering and gave up without putting up a fight. Finding meaning is a big topic and it's probably why most people live even through suffering and pain. I think I would be content with my life if:

a) I had enough social skills to manipulate my way to the top of the workplace leaderboard or to simply make a friend

b) I had a supportive family who helped me instead of hindered me

c) I didn't have to work my entire life as a wage slave and could afford things with easier effort

d) I didn't have anhedonia and instead had interests which I could rely on for fun or comfort

e) My neurotype changed such that I don't react extremely to even the most minute of suffering

f) I had meaning for why I gotta live

g) I had a reason why living is better than death (I've yet to find a reason for that)

I know that some of the things above can be changed with effort and that some of the things can't be changed no matter how much gaslighting therapists and general society would do to convince you otherwise. However, I completely lost the will to fight and try and I'd rather slowly rot to my death instead or get rid of my laziness and my fear to do a risky suicide attempt.. whichever comes first I suppose
 
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carried away by a moonlight shadow
Aug 25, 2021
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Suffering is good... it makes muscles stronger.
 
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death will be my ultimate bliss
Oct 29, 2023
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Suffering is good... it makes muscles stronger.
That's related to "instrumental suffering". Not all suffering is instrumental suffering nor does the existence of instrumental suffering justify suffering in the first place. It'd be better for everybody involved if we could gain achievements like making muscles stronger without the need of suffering. Alas, that isn't possible in this life and hence why I'd rather not participate at all
 
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I get depressive episodes and my views on all this shift quite drastically. During the good times I quite enjoy life. I'm generally quite enthusiastic about living. I suppose part of the reason I want to carry on is because I want those good times.

Some of my suffering I welcome too. I lost someone very dear to me and still grieve their passing. Over time the bouts of grief are rarer and rarer. I'd not want them to go entirely though. They are testement to her and what we had.
 
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What reasons do people have for living? I don't understand it. Personally, I always saw any and all suffering that happened to me as a bad thing and, additionally, something that overwhelms me so much to where I'd rather be dead than to live. What makes people want to live even though they suffer? Am I just weak willed overall or is there a different underlying reason for this phenomenon?
I think it's mostly that some people have less suffering and more happiness than others. I don't think you're necessarily weak, it could be possible that other people suffer less than you and that your suffering accumulates because you haven't handled it emotionally.

For me it's the desire to fulfill my late suicide partner's wishes of continuing to live on. And also because I've found passionate work because of him. My irl told me I had to die naturally to get a favor from God and wish my friend into heaven, this possibility startles me enough to half-heartedly agree to live "just in case" God exists even though I don't believe in God. A special connection with a now dead person is keeping me alive, isn't that funny?
I wasn't even happy when I was younger either. I suffered from the same things then that I do now with the exception of bullying. I never made a single friend then and I never made a single friend now. I didn't really have much interests then and I don't now

But how? I don't get it. The only real differences I have from them is that I never made a single friend throughout my entire life (which includes childhood), I don't really have a supportive family (I feel like I got emotionally neglected according to western standards anyway), I don't really have any interests or things I can enjoy and I don't have any ambitions for life or work. Would I be like them and experience more joy than suffering if I were to have the things they did?
Hey I experienced similar things to you, unsupportive parents and childhood bullying. And then the depression from that and loneliness made me not be able to spend time finding interests.

I promise those interests exist though, they just have to be found. I thought of myself as the most generic and bland person ever, but then when I actually started bridging out--it's never too late, I was already of age when I started figuring myself out--I found that I had a lot of interests actually, like 4 subjects in university and a lot outside of education too.

Some can even become passionate life goals, like perhaps an interest in mental health makes you want to become an actual good therapist (after dealing with so many shitty ones) for example.

I think it's easier to experience joy when born lucky, but you don't have to be born lucky to experience joy.
I got neither love nor a feeling of obligation to others. That probably contributes to me being suicidal

Yeah, I guess me having the lack of human connection contributes to me being suicidal. That said, I don't really want any offspring either. They'll make my life a bigger living hell than what it already is
I'd agree with that, but ideally you want to be at the point where if you live, you want to live for your own reasons and not because of guilt towards others in your life. Think of suicidal ideation as a symptom rather than the illness though, try to think of the lack of happiness as the thing you're trying to cure.
I think I would be content with my life if:

a) I had enough social skills to manipulate my way to the top of the workplace leaderboard or to simply make a friend

b) I had a supportive family who helped me instead of hindered me

c) I didn't have to work my entire life as a wage slave and could afford things with easier effort

d) I didn't have anhedonia and instead had interests which I could rely on for fun or comfort

e) My neurotype changed such that I don't react extremely to even the most minute of suffering

f) I had meaning for why I gotta live

g) I had a reason why living is better than death (I've yet to find a reason for that)
a) Have you ever tried practicing online? Like randomly talking in live chats, then going to voice chats, then transferring to in person? That worked for me.
b) That's my situation. Hate to say this, but this is something you'll just have to accept and move on from. I just treat my family like how I would treat a coworker now, passively and with minimal interaction. I focus my life on other things.
c) I don't have a job so idk what to say about this
d) See above quote...!
e) May I ask what disorder you're suffering from?
f) I think this comes from just solving the other bullet points haha, the reason writes itself.
g) Living is suffering and death is uncertainty, pick your poison. But then some people have the loophole where living is tolerable or even happy, and then they don't have to face the uncertainty. And I mean, happiness seems much better than uncertainty.
 
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I think it's mostly that some people have less suffering and more happiness than others. I don't think you're necessarily weak, it could be possible that other people suffer less than you and that your suffering accumulates because you haven't handled it emotionally.
That's a possibility too. Nonetheless, that isn't exactly mutually exclusive to being weak. I could have had my suffering accumulate due to not dealing with it emotionally and also be weak too. That said, I do agree with my suffering having accumulated and it's gotten so bad to where I given up entirely and don't want to put in any effort to fix things. No matter how appealing happiness and stuff may be, I given up
For me it's the desire to fulfill my late suicide partner's wishes of continuing to live on. And also because I've found passionate work because of him. My irl told me I had to die naturally to get a favor from God and wish my friend into heaven, this possibility startles me enough to half-heartedly agree to live "just in case" God exists even though I don't believe in God. A special connection with a now dead person is keeping me alive, isn't that funny?
That sounds rather interesting. This just goes to show you how much people can affect the lives of others. I never had anybody like this and I don't even think I want to. Nonetheless, your ctb partner sounds like a genuine good guy and I hope he can rest in peace now
I promise those interests exist though, they just have to be found. I thought of myself as the most generic and bland person ever, but then when I actually started bridging out--it's never too late, I was already of age when I started figuring myself out--I found that I had a lot of interests actually, like 4 subjects in university and a lot outside of education too.
I guess that's true. Nonetheless, I don't have the energy to bridge out and look for them. I know it's probably hypocritical for me to have posted in the recovery section despite not really wanting to recover but I'm hoping for a miracle that I'll never actually receive. Hopefully I get lucky and just stumble across these interests spontaneously
Some can even become passionate life goals, like perhaps an interest in mental health makes you want to become an actual good therapist (after dealing with so many shitty ones) for example.
I don't think I'll ever have passionate life goals. I've been against life for as long as I remember
I think it's easier to experience joy when born lucky, but you don't have to be born lucky to experience joy.
Touché. That should probably be a famous quote or something
I'd agree with that, but ideally you want to be at the point where if you live, you want to live for your own reasons and not because of guilt towards others in your life. Think of suicidal ideation as a symptom rather than the illness though, try to think of the lack of happiness as the thing you're trying to cure.
I don't really live because of guilt towards others too. I only live because I'm too lazy to do anything which includes dying and recovering. I also live because I'm too pathetic to end myself, because survival instinct terrifies me and because I can only access risky methods

a) Have you ever tried practicing online? Like randomly talking in live chats, then going to voice chats, then transferring to in person? That worked for me.
b) That's my situation. Hate to say this, but this is something you'll just have to accept and move on from. I just treat my family like how I would treat a coworker now, passively and with minimal interaction. I focus my life on other things.
c) I don't have a job so idk what to say about this
d) See above quote...!
e) May I ask what disorder you're suffering from?
f) I think this comes from just solving the other bullet points haha, the reason writes itself.
g) Living is suffering and death is uncertainty, pick your poison. But then some people have the loophole where living is tolerable or even happy, and then they don't have to face the uncertainty. And I mean, happiness seems much better than uncertainty.
a) no, I haven't and that's because I'm too terrified of talking online when I'm around with somebody in my family. If my mum hears me talk to somebody, she'll be overprotective about it and interrogate the hell out of me. And, well, I never really been alone yet
b) i know I gotta move on despite that but it's hard to. With every move they make, I get more dependent on them
e) I got autism but that isn't what I was referring to. I believe that me reacting extremely from suffering is due to some sort of abnormal neurodevelopment of my brain hence why I said neurotype. It isn't normal to be so sensitive to suffering after all
g) issue is, death doesn't have any uncertainty to me. It never has been. I strongly believe in permanent non existence after death and there's nothing that could convince me otherwise. Not god, not reincarnation, not any other theories people have come up with
 
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Mar 24, 2023
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What would life be like without suffering? Frankly, we wouldn't exist. You could say we are bound by our biology to live, and so will endure the suffering.

Personally, I find there to be something fundamental to being alive that puts the suffering in a more manageable context. I can't really put it into words, but I will say the Buddha was on to something!