Why do anti - suicide people act like you have a duty to live ?

[Now_And_Then]

It seems that anti - suicide people have a strong opinion that you are commiting a great sin if you kill your self and that you have a duty to live in a messed up world

 

[Pilum Muralis]

Non-suicidal folks view life as a gift, and anything less than dying of a ripe old age is a squandered life.
I think there are two different kinds of people we all encounter while suffering.
People who are genuine, like our family and friends, and really do care and want to help, or what they consider help. It's just difficult for most of them. How can somebody without ever having suicidal ideation have empathy for someone who is suicidal?

Then there's folks white knighting. They're the ones who are the selfish ones, in actuality. They want to be able to use people who suffer as a means to pat themselves on the back, make themselves feel good, and have a really good story to tell at parties about how they bravely stopped a poor pathetic soul from ending it. These are the folks who love having their face plastered all over the news. Do they keep in touch with the victim afterwards? Visit them in hospital? If we were to ask these brave people a year later, how the almost bridge jumper they pulled to safety is doing, you would get a shrug, and an "I don't know, but I pray for them every day."

We all just have to remember that:
"Suicide is selfish, now continue to live in unrelenting, unending misery so you don't make us all sad!"

 

[Rose]

At the core of life is one purpose- to survive.
This is not what lies at the core of intelligence, which we developed to survive.
Humans are given the ability to question our core purpose through intelligence- this is, unsurprisingly, incredibly uncomfortable.
Discomfort is to be avoided. Questioning our core purpose is a failure of evolution. Ants will never consider what it means to die- they only strive to live.

In my eyes, this is what many humans strive to return to. The bliss of a singular goal. Survival, without any question to what that means. Without having to think about all the details, or anything else. A nice, orderly line to follow and a few rules that will make everything okay at the end of day.
A binary. Failure, or success. There is no in-between, there is nothing else.

It is incredibly against this, then, to think about what life means. What the value of suffering is when it's not their own. About ourselves in the scale of the universe. Anything larger or separate than the individual and what lies directly in front of their eyes.

Suicide brings many of these questions to the spotlight- if our only purpose is to survive, then why would anyone want to do the opposite of that?
To accept that it may be a reasonable decision is to accept that these questions are worth our time and thought. Most people are unprepared to do that.
Ignorance. Consciously or otherwise, that is what these people want to keep. Life is easier when you have easy answers. Even if they're wrong, and often harmful to others you can go on believing they're right so long as you keep from questioning them too much. Especially when you can avoid seeing the consequences.

Willfully ignorant, is what I like to call it. Honestly I understand the thought process, though that's not to say I agree with it at all. I feel it's incredibly selfish.
Survival is no longer at our core. We are split between that and understanding. We should find what is at the core of both, even if whatever lies there may be uncomfortable.

To do that, though, we'd have to accept that maybe survival isn't all that it's been advertised to be. Maybe that core, too, is not inherently good.
There's reasons so many people tap out- and I wouldn't call all of them "giving up". There's more to it than that. But society needs to evolve, first, which it may never do.

Tldr;
Our duty, in their eyes, is to keep their world view all warm & comfy, they don't want to see the world as messed up.
So we must be crazy to suggest otherwise.


Apologies for the rant. I hope it all makes sense.

 

[Severen]

At the core of life is one purpose- to survive.
This is not what lies at the core of intelligence, which we developed to survive.
Humans are given the ability to question our core purpose through intelligence- this is, unsurprisingly, incredibly uncomfortable.
Discomfort is to be avoided. Questioning our core purpose is a failure of evolution. Ants will never consider what it means to die- they only strive to live.

In my eyes, this is what many humans strive to return to. The bliss of a singular goal. Survival, without any question to what that means. Without having to think about all the details, or anything else. A nice, orderly line to follow and a few rules that will make everything okay at the end of day.
A binary. Failure, or success. There is no in-between, there is nothing else.

It is incredibly against this, then, to think about what life means. What the value of suffering is when it's not their own. About ourselves in the scale of the universe. Anything larger or separate than the individual and what lies directly in front of their eyes.

Suicide brings many of these questions to the spotlight- if our only purpose is to survive, then why would anyone want to do the opposite of that?
To accept that it may be a reasonable decision is to accept that these questions are worth our time and thought. Most people are unprepared to do that.
Ignorance. Consciously or otherwise, that is what these people want to keep. Life is easier when you have easy answers. Even if they're wrong, and often harmful to others you can go on believing they're right so long as you keep from questioning them too much. Especially when you can avoid seeing the consequences.

Willfully ignorant, is what I like to call it. Honestly I understand the thought process, though that's not to say I agree with it at all. I feel it's incredibly selfish.
Survival is no longer at our core. We are split between that and understanding. We should find what is at the core of both, even if whatever lies there may be uncomfortable.

To do that, though, we'd have to accept that maybe survival isn't all that it's been advertised to be. Maybe that core, too, is not inherently good.
There's reasons so many people tap out- and I wouldn't call all of them "giving up". There's more to it than that. But society needs to evolve, first, which it may never do.

Tldr;
Our duty, in their eyes, is to keep their world view all warm & comfy, they don't want to see the world as messed up.
So we must be crazy to suggest otherwise.


Apologies for the rant. I hope it all makes sense.

Life's purpose depends on every individual. Just because evolution is always shaping humanity so that humans can survive and pass on their DNA doesn't really mean shit to me. Because who says I was put on this Earth to be nothing more than a breeder? Who says, I'm no different from other people? Who says, there is such a thing as human nature that applies to all of us? There is no real evidence to back up this claim that we are all the same and we are all out here, just to survive and pass on our DNA. In fact, there's massive amounts of evidence that goes against this claim, considering the fact, many people, since the beginning of human history, have been ignoring the survive and pass on your DNA prime directive, intentionally by CTBing or fighting to the death in battle WITHOUT ZERO FEAR OF DEATH simple due to facing a future that wont let them live the way they want to live or even for a reason that makes no fucking sense. And without hesitation... Humanity is so diverse to the point, most people can't even comprehend it. Sharing a lot of DNA with each other, doesn't really matter, actually because even just a slight difference can make a huge fucking difference. We share so much DNA with chimps and monkeys and look at at the difference between them and most human beings. And human bodies are nothing but containers that only make up a percentage of who someone is in life. So really, the only person who can know your purpose in life is YOU but first you must be capable of introspection.

 

[Going Home]

Most of them are self serving people who don't know how to mind their own business.

 

[SinisterKid]

Like I give a flying fuck what anyone else thinks anymore, I am well beyond that point.

 

[andy69]

Maybe life, success, and happiness come easy to them. Maybe thought don't understand how hard it for some people.

 

[AaronArc]

It's so offensive to people because it reminds them that they are temporary too, and that anyone can just hit the off switch. It's a projection of their own survival instinct.

It's completely natural, and I believe that usually lifers do have good intentions. I would encourage people on this site not to recoil so strongly to them, especially if it's a friend or a family member. The strangers trying to score points by posting suicide hotlines, that's another story...

 

[ProhibereDolor]

It seems that anti - suicide people have a strong opinion that you are commiting a great sin if you kill your self and that you have a duty to live in a messed up world

Because they are projecting their world view and morals on other people. They fail to see the big picture. The thing that angers me the most with people like this is they say it's the "coward's" way out. I'm pretty sure that having the strength to make the choice to leave on your terms with the finality of death is probably the least cowardly thing you could do. You just have to ignore these types of people. I usually say don't pity someone and instead empathize with them. But people like this I really pity instead. And a lot of this class of person is religious and is again projecting their chosen morals on others. I'm not religious and never could be. There's just too many holes being poked in religion. And the reaction religious types have to any challenge to their beliefs is one of hostility. If anyone here is religious, and it leads you to being a better human, then more power to you. But when you start telling others how to think and feel is where I draw the line.

 

[Snowx88]

Cause they don't understand or feel what you are experiencing

 

[WinterIsComing]

Maybe they take it as an attack as you are giving them they possibility of the doubt, maybe they even considerate doing it but they don't want to deal with that again...I dunno