The reality is that therapy is simply a scam designed to profit from the people's suffering, it's completely useless and is just used to try and delude people into believing that life is something positive, which it really isn't as the reality is that suffering is inevitable in this cruel, unpredictable world.
To me leaving this world will always be the preferable option as to die does solve every problem and there are no disadvantages to being dead. One cannot be harmed by not existing but there is unlimited potential for someone to be tortured by life.
I would say you are taking this the wrong way.
Therapy is a tool meant to change people's mental condition (for lack of a better word). It can be (and i see some point in your sentiment) used as a way to control society, akin to some kind of brainwashing. In some instances, such as lgbt conversion therapy earlier and some suicide prevention today, it does seem to be used as a tool of control, as a kind of punishment disguised as care (though this point is nuanced).
However, if someone truly does want to live or does not want to die, but feels pressured to die because living is hard for them, even though they would rather live, therapy might be an option worth considering. it does not help everyone, but it does help many people.
On the flip side, it might be possible for therapy to be given to people with different goals in mind. It is merely a tool.
What i am not a fan of, though,( other than the money factor involved in all things healthcare and the fact that finding someons who is actually comptent at giving therapy can be hard) is an idea that certain mental states or ideas or intuitions or whatever (such as suicidality) necessarily need to be treated, irrespective of whether or not the patient is interested in that
. additionally, I am not a fan of some of the "go to therapy" arguments that I see online. The idea that some therapy, if tried, and not been successful cannot be wrong but was incorrectly Tried in all cases because it is "scientifically proven" or something also seems suspect. I would want to develop thus position further if i get the Time later someday.
People are not lab rats who can be administered whatever treatment for whatever problem is ascribed to them by society.
Claiming that leaving the world is always the preferable option to oneself for XYZ reasons is likely to fall on deaf pro-lifer ears. They do not share this promortalist intuition. To them it seems like a disorder. I prefer to ask if it is possible for a human to simply want to die, for whatever reason. Can we imagine such a person , can we empathise with them ? And why are we inclined to stop such a person for taking their own life ? How harmful is a suicide to society, and how can that harm be changed ? To me these are more interesting questions. Not straightforward, but interesting.
Its late here, i might have missed something or rambled too much. But yea
I would say you are taking this the wrong way.
Therapy is a tool meant to change people's mental condition (for lack of a better word). It can be (and i see some point in your sentiment) used as a way to control society, akin to some kind of brainwashing. In some instances, such as lgbt conversion therapy earlier and some suicide prevention today, it does seem to be used as a tool of control, as a kind of punishment disguised as care (though this point is nuanced).
However, if someone truly does want to live or does not want to die, but feels pressured to die because living is hard for them, even though they would rather live, therapy might be an option worth considering. it does not help everyone, but it does help many people.
On the flip side, it might be possible for therapy to be given to people with different goals in mind. It is merely a tool.
What i am not a fan of, though,( other than the money factor involved in all things healthcare and the fact that finding someons who is actually comptent at giving therapy can be hard) is an idea that certain mental states or ideas or intuitions or whatever (such as suicidality) necessarily need to be treated, irrespective of whether or not the patient is interested in that
. additionally, I am not a fan of some of the "go to therapy" arguments that I see online. The idea that some therapy, if tried, and not been successful cannot be wrong but was incorrectly Tried in all cases because it is "scientifically proven" or something also seems suspect. I would want to develop thus position further if i get the Time later someday.
People are not lab rats who can be administered whatever treatment for whatever problem is ascribed to them by society.
Claiming that leaving the world is always the preferable option to oneself for XYZ reasons is likely to fall on deaf pro-lifer ears. They do not share this promortalist intuition. To them it seems like a disorder. I prefer to ask if it is possible for a human to simply want to die, for whatever reason. Can we imagine such a person , can we empathise with them ? And why are we inclined to stop such a person for taking their own life ? How harmful is a suicide to society, and how can that harm be changed ? To me these are more interesting questions. Not straightforward, but interesting.
Its late here, i might have missed something or rambled too much. But yea
Your average therapist is not actively scamming people out of their money and time. Rather they are trying to help people who they genuinely believe want to live and not die, even if they may act like it. (This is my guess, i am not exactly sure of what all goes on in the average therapists mind). Maybe the problem is that they only see suicidal people who are in therapy or in general are sad and dysfunctional. Maybe they cant see the normality in some suicidal people, and cannot fathom why anyone (even the mentally ill) might consider death as a valid option, because both their life and training never familiarised them with such people
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I would say you are taking this the wrong way.
Therapy is a tool meant to change people's mental condition (for lack of a better word). It can be (and i see some point in your sentiment) used as a way to control society, akin to some kind of brainwashing. In some instances, such as lgbt conversion therapy earlier and some suicide prevention today, it does seem to be used as a tool of control, as a kind of punishment disguised as care (though this point is nuanced).
However, if someone truly does want to live or does not want to die, but feels pressured to die because living is hard for them, even though they would rather live, therapy might be an option worth considering. it does not help everyone, but it does help many people.
On the flip side, it might be possible for therapy to be given to people with different goals in mind. It is merely a tool.
What i am not a fan of, though,( other than the money factor involved in all things healthcare and the fact that finding someons who is actually comptent at giving therapy can be hard) is an idea that certain mental states or ideas or intuitions or whatever (such as suicidality) necessarily need to be treated, irrespective of whether or not the patient is interested in that
. additionally, I am not a fan of some of the "go to therapy" arguments that I see online. The idea that some therapy, if tried, and not been successful cannot be wrong but was incorrectly Tried in all cases because it is "scientifically proven" or something also seems suspect. I would want to develop thus position further if i get the Time later someday.
People are not lab rats who can be administered whatever treatment for whatever problem is ascribed to them by society.
Claiming that leaving the world is always the preferable option to oneself for XYZ reasons is likely to fall on deaf pro-lifer ears. They do not share this promortalist intuition. To them it seems like a disorder. I prefer to ask if it is possible for a human to simply want to die, for whatever reason. Can we imagine such a person , can we empathise with them ? And why are we inclined to stop such a person for taking their own life ? How harmful is a suicide to society, and how can that harm be changed ? To me these are more interesting questions. Not straightforward, but interesting.
Its late here, i might have missed something or rambled too much. But yea
Your average therapist is not actively scamming people out of their money and time. Rather they are trying to help people who they genuinely believe want to live and not die, even if they may act like it. (This is my guess, i am not exactly sure of what all goes on in the average therapists mind). Maybe the problem is that they only see suicidal people who are in therapy or in general are sad and dysfunctional. Maybe they cant see the normality in some suicidal people, and cannot fathom why anyone (even the mentally ill) might consider death as a valid option, because both their life and training never familiarised them with such people
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I have not read the entire article, but I like what chris D Frith says in the end of his article titled "Understanding Madness":-
"Neuroscience research has had considerable success in elu
cidating and sometimes curing various disorders, but after
each success the disorder either becomes invisible or ceases
to be considered an example of madness. So it seems stran-
gely inevitable that madness can only ever be associated with
disorders that we do not understand. It is not the patients'
reason that has failed, it is ours. But then reason has never
been a strong point with mankind, however civilized"
I would say you are taking this the wrong way.
Therapy is a tool meant to change people's mental condition (for lack of a better word). It can be (and i see some point in your sentiment) used as a way to control society, akin to some kind of brainwashing. In some instances, such as lgbt conversion therapy earlier and some suicide prevention today, it does seem to be used as a tool of control, as a kind of punishment disguised as care (though this point is nuanced).
However, if someone truly does want to live or does not want to die, but feels pressured to die because living is hard for them, even though they would rather live, therapy might be an option worth considering. it does not help everyone, but it does help many people.
On the flip side, it might be possible for therapy to be given to people with different goals in mind. It is merely a tool.
What i am not a fan of, though,( other than the money factor involved in all things healthcare and the fact that finding someons who is actually comptent at giving therapy can be hard) is an idea that certain mental states or ideas or intuitions or whatever (such as suicidality) necessarily need to be treated, irrespective of whether or not the patient is interested in that
. additionally, I am not a fan of some of the "go to therapy" arguments that I see online. The idea that some therapy, if tried, and not been successful cannot be wrong but was incorrectly Tried in all cases because it is "scientifically proven" or something also seems suspect. I would want to develop thus position further if i get the Time later someday.
People are not lab rats who can be administered whatever treatment for whatever problem is ascribed to them by society.
Claiming that leaving the world is always the preferable option to oneself for XYZ reasons is likely to fall on deaf pro-lifer ears. They do not share this promortalist intuition. To them it seems like a disorder. I prefer to ask if it is possible for a human to simply want to die, for whatever reason. Can we imagine such a person , can we empathise with them ? And why are we inclined to stop such a person for taking their own life ? How harmful is a suicide to society, and how can that harm be changed ? To me these are more interesting questions. Not straightforward, but interesting.
Its late here, i might have missed something or rambled too much. But yea
Your average therapist is not actively scamming people out of their money and time. Rather they are trying to help people who they genuinely believe want to live and not die, even if they may act like it. (This is my guess, i am not exactly sure of what all goes on in the average therapists mind). Maybe the problem is that they only see suicidal people who are in therapy or in general are sad and dysfunctional. Maybe they cant see the normality in some suicidal people, and cannot fathom why anyone (even the mentally ill) might consider death as a valid option, because both their life and training never familiarised them with such people
---
I have not read the entire article, but I like what chris D Frith says in the end of his article titled "Understanding Madness":-
"Neuroscience research has had considerable success in elu
cidating and sometimes curing various disorders, but after
each success the disorder either becomes invisible or ceases
to be considered an example of madness. So it seems stran-
gely inevitable that madness can only ever be associated with
disorders that we do not understand. It is not the patients'
reason that has failed, it is ours. But then reason has never
been a strong point with mankind, however civilized"
Idk, i have personally become disillusioned with reason in general.
