Help Why aren't stars visible where there in no light pollution?

[GoodPersonEffed]

I recently flew at night between Texas and Mexico over hundreds of miles with no cities to create light pollution, and I only saw, literally, a couple of stars. We were miles up in the air. There should have been millions visible.

Has anyone come across an explanation for this that doesn't involve light pollution?

 

[SylvaanBanaan]

I'm not sure but, i think it might have to do with the light in the cabin!
Also, did you try to look up from the window? Or did you just look out of the side?

I don't figure it'd be light pollution because you'd be up way too high, no?

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I'm not sure but, i think it might have to do with the light in the cabin!
Also, did you try to look up from the window? Or did you just look out of the side?

I don't figure it'd be light pollution because you'd be up way too high, no?

I don't see how the light in the cabin would affect what I saw out the window.

I looked up as well as from the side, but that would not have mattered because at that height most of the view is sky. To see something different, you have to look down.

Correct that it is too high for light pollution, and there was no civilization anywhere near to create any.

Thanks for responding!

 

[Soul]

I believe it's interference from the light inside the plane. Your eyes adjust to that, so you need a thick blanket or something over your head to see the stars.

 

[thepolarbear]

Your eyes adjust to the light levels inside the cabin = fucking your night vision = you cant see stars.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I have the feeling all of you are a good bit younger than me. Perhaps I'm wrong about that.

I'm 48 years old. I grew up in Phoenix, a very large city. We could see the stars at night, but in the desert around the Grand Canyon, or at the beach in northern Mexico, south of Phoenix, there were billions of stars.

Many have noticed there are less stars visible now, and I've read discussions about it, but a good answer is not forthcoming.

A couple years ago, I lived for a year in Guatemala in a highland area far removed from any cities, they were all little towns. There should have been billions of stars visible. There were some, but more like when I was in Phoenix from the 70s to the 90s.

I live in a large city in Mexico, nothing even remotely as huge as Mexico City, but it's big. There are only two stars visible every single night. And I can see them from the living room whether the light is on or not.

I've flown many times in my life, and as a kid, the stars were visible from the plane.

Up in the sky like that, crossing enormous expanses of desert and mountain, the sky should have been beautiful. I saw the same two stars I saw from where I live, and a couple more. Not even as many as I saw in Guatemala. Something is wrong.

I just can't buy the cabin lights theory.

 

[Brick In The Wall]

I have the feeling all of you are a good bit younger than me. Perhaps I'm wrong about that.

I'm 48 years old. I grew up in Phoenix, a very large city. We could see the stars at night, but in the desert around the Grand Canyon, or at the beach in northern Mexico, south of Phoenix, there were billions of stars.

Many have noticed there are less stars visible now, and I've read discussions about it, but a good answer is not forthcoming.

A couple years ago, I lived for a year in Guatemala in a highland area far removed from any cities, they were all little towns. There should have been billions of stars visible. There were some, but more like when I was in Phoenix from the 70s to the 90s.

I live in a large city in Mexico, nothing even remotely as huge as Mexico City, but it's big. There are only two stars visible every single night. And I can see them from the living room whether the light is on or not.

I've flown many times in my life, and as a kid, the stars were visible from the plane.

Up in the sky like that, crossing enormous expanses of desert and mountain, the sky should have been beautiful. I saw the same two stars I saw from where I live, and a couple more. Not even as many as I saw in Guatemala. Something is wrong.

I just can't buy the cabin lights theory.

There's a partial answer I can give. The known universe is expanding and as it does so the star light will become less visible. Until eventually there will be no visible stars at all. Humanity will most assuredly be extinct at this point of course.

The above scenario will have minor effects over generations. The biggest factor I can see right now is pollution and weather manipulation. All the crap we put in our atmosphere is likely starting to block our beautiful view.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

There's a partial answer I can give. The known universe is expanding and as it does so the star light will become less visible. Until eventually there will be no visible stars at all. Humanity will most assuredly be extinct at this point of course.

The above scenario will have minor effects over generations. The biggest factor I can see right now is pollution and weather manipulation. All the crap we put in our atmosphere is likely starting to block our beautiful view.

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Personally I don't think expansion would explain it. As you said, minor effects over generations.

I do think manipulation is the most likely cause. I was hoping when I posted that someone would say what the manipulation is.

 

[Brick In The Wall]

Personally I don't think expansion would explain it. As you said, minor effects over generations.

I do think manipulation is the most likely cause. I was hoping when I posted that someone would say what the manipulation is.

I'm still going with pollution and weather manipulation as the biggest KNOWN factors. But who the hell knows what they're putting in our atmosphere. Even Bill Gates has talked about dumping shit into it to try to block more solar rays and potentially slow global warming.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I'm still going with pollution and weather manipulation as the biggest KNOWN factors. But who the hell knows what they're putting in our atmosphere. Even Bill Gates has talked about dumping shit into it to try to block more solar rays and potentially slow global warming.

I read something last year, can't remember the source, a person wrote about going to Russia and on the radio there an announcer talked about how the government puts stuff in the clouds to stop precipitation. And yeah, that thing about Bill Gates pissed me right off. Something is really hinky, and I don't think there are benevolent intentions. If weather is being controlled, why aren't hurricanes stopped?

 

[SylvaanBanaan]

I have the feeling all of you are a good bit younger than me. Perhaps I'm wrong about that.

I'm 48 years old. I grew up in Phoenix, a very large city. We could see the stars at night, but in the desert around the Grand Canyon, or at the beach in northern Mexico, south of Phoenix, there were billions of stars.

Many have noticed there are less stars visible now, and I've read discussions about it, but a good answer is not forthcoming.

A couple years ago, I lived for a year in Guatemala in a highland area far removed from any cities, they were all little towns. There should have been billions of stars visible. There were some, but more like when I was in Phoenix from the 70s to the 90s.

I live in a large city in Mexico, nothing even remotely as huge as Mexico City, but it's big. There are only two stars visible every single night. And I can see them from the living room whether the light is on or not.

I've flown many times in my life, and as a kid, the stars were visible from the plane.

Up in the sky like that, crossing enormous expanses of desert and mountain, the sky should have been beautiful. I saw the same two stars I saw from where I live, and a couple more. Not even as many as I saw in Guatemala. Something is wrong.

I just can't buy the cabin lights theory.

Those two stars you keep seeing; is it possible they are perhaps planets?
Planets in our solar system are far closer and therefore often much brighter, theres a possibility you could have seen mars/jupiter/saturn :')

 

[Epsilon0]

Personally I don't think expansion would explain it. As you said, minor effects over generations.

I do think manipulation is the most likely cause. I was hoping when I posted that someone would say what the manipulation is.

At best we can see around 2500 - 3000 stars on any given night, and all of them are within Milky Way. Expansion is only measurable at very large scales such as between galaxies, clusters of galaxies and super clusters. We do not experience expansion within our galaxy to such a degree that it would cause star light to become unobservable. The distances are simply not big enough.

My money is on pollution, light pollution and reduced visibility due to being on a plane.

Those two stars you keep seeing; is it possible they are perhaps planets?
Planets in our solar system are far closer and therefore often much brighter, theres a possibility you could have seen mars/jupiter/saturn :')

Many wishes upon a star have been known to have been wasted upon Venus... oh no... bummer!

 

[ctbUniquectb]

because they don't exist

 

[Epsilon0]

because they don't exist

Stars are a hoax, just like the Moon landing.

:D

 

[ctbUniquectb]

Stars are a hoax, just like the Moon landing.

:D

Can't be no Moon landing when there tain't even no Earth for taking off from

flat earthers don't even know this is all a simulation ::rolls eyes::

Spoiler: some folk'll never eat a skunk but then again some folk'll

 

[Epsilon0]

Can't be no Moon landing when there tain't even no Earth for taking off from

flat earthers don't even know this is all a simulation ::rolls eyes::

Spoiler: some folk'll never eat a skunk but then again some folk'll

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No Earth to take off from, hahaha! Good one! Thank you for the laugh.

 

[ctbUniquectb]

No Earth to take off from, hahaha! Good one! Thank you for the laugh.

this fuckin' guy

he thinks I'm jokin'

Spoiler: like a clown

 

[Deleted member 1465]

Shit, someone is stealing the stars!

 

[ctbUniquectb]

Shit, someone is stealing the stars!

Spoiler: I love you Leela