Help Which RC benzo to get for SN protocol?

[ShatteredSerenity]

I've been searching for RC benzos to take with SN, but I've only found one clearweb supplier that I'm confident is legit and they're out of stock on a couple of the most common benzos.

Out of stock: bromazolam, flubromazepam
Available:

• clobromazolam
• desalkylgidazepam
• deschloroetizolam
• flubrotizolam
• fluclotizolam
• pyrazolam

Any thoughts on which of the available ones is best for the purpose of CTB with SN?

Should I keep searching to find bromazolam which is more commonly recommended?

I've been using Reddit to get a sense of what they do and flubrotizolam sounds like a strong sedative that might work. Several people say pyrazolam is all fake these days, so I probably don't want to get that one.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Anything is better than nothing. I guess one with shorter onset would be preferable.

 

[Eudaimonic]

bump

 

[blacksand]

Clonazolam was intensely euphoric for me.

 

[onmywaytothebusstop]

Clobromazolam is the most potent one. A lot more potent than bromazolam. Dosing this could be difficult.

Deschloroetizolam is very comparable in strength to bromazolam and would have been my go to if i wouldn't have found bromazolam as it would require the same dosage.

 

[Eudaimonic]

Clobromazolam is the most potent one. A lot more potent than bromazolam. Dosing this could be difficult.

Deschloroetizolam is very comparable in strength to bromazolam and would have been my go to if i wouldn't have found bromazolam as it would require the same dosage.

So, you think bromazolam is the best, all things considered?

 

[onmywaytothebusstop]

So, you think bromazolam is the best, all things considered?

There's no "best" benzo imho.

It all depends on what you need or look for. Some benzos are more anxiolytic, sedative, muscle relaxant,etc...

Some people might not want the sedative effect for that reason oxazepam would be good. For others that want more sedation/potency, alprazolam, bromazolam and others would be a better choice.

I have prescription alprazolam but refuse to use it for suicide as i don't want to involve people who are trying to help me in my process of ctb

 

[Eudaimonic]

There's no "best" benzo imho.

It all depends on what you need or look for. Some benzos are more anxiolytic, sedative, muscle relaxant,etc...

Some people might not want the sedative effect for that reason oxazepam would be good. For others that want more sedation/potency, alprazolam, bromazolam and others would be a better choice.

I specifically meant "best" RC benzo

 

[Richard Langford]

As an aside I was thinking of also adding Buprenorphine 2mg tab but that and Benzo's might completely knock me out - making takingnSN impossible.

 

[onmywaytothebusstop]

I think the situation stays the same.
I've only tested bromazolam as a preparation. As for the other RC benzos, i'm no expert but go off experience reports and medical reports etc..

There's no perfect way to compare any benzos(RC or not) since people can react differently depending how your body regulates its uptake.

The best way to think of it is similar to anti depressants. They don't all work exactly the same for everyone. Some might be a bit more effective than others for one person and the opposite for another.

As an aside I was thinking of also adding Buprenorphine 2mg tab but that and Benzo's might completely knock me out - making takingnSN impossible.

I recommend looking into the onset time of your benzo and other meds.

I don't think it should be a big issue as your stomach needs some time to take it up in your blood circulation but it depends on what you take, how, howmuch etc..

 

[Eudaimonic]

As an aside I was thinking of also adding Buprenorphine 2mg tab but that and Benzo's might completely knock me out - making takingnSN impossible.

Not recommended as it will increase risk of vomiting + blackout risk yes

 

[ShatteredSerenity]

Ok, after 2 days of head-spinning research I bought flubrotizolam and fluclotizolam.

Those ones should be fairly fast acting, good for anxiety, and sedating. I bought 2 kinds just in case one of them doesn't work out.

 

[missedmybus]

Just boof them.

 

[Eudaimonic]

Ok, after 2 days of head-spinning research I bought flubrotizolam and fluclotizolam.

Those ones should be fairly fast acting, good for anxiety, and sedating. I bought 2 kinds just in case one of them doesn't work out.

Are you going to do a trial run beforehand? That's what I plan to do to see the effects and determine what dosage won't make me blackout. I'll probably fast before doing so as well.

 

[ShatteredSerenity]

Are you going to do a trial run beforehand? That's what I plan to do to see the effects and determine what dosage won't make me blackout. I'll probably fast before doing so as well.

Yeah same here. I've taken prescription benzos before for anxiety and sleep, but I'm not sure what to expect with these RC benzos.

 

[missedmybus]

Expect them to hit very hard generally.

Pyrazolam and deschloroetizolam, not so much though. I'd say they're lower potency than an alprazolam.

Generally you shoould be looking for things with clona-, broma- or flua- in the name I think.

 

[Richard Langford]

Not recommended as it will increase risk of vomiting + blackout risk yes

They're sublingual so I'm not sure vomiting is an issue with them. Have you taken them before?

 

[Eudaimonic]

They're sublingual so I'm not sure vomiting is an issue with them. Have you taken them before?

In that case you're right that vomiting is less of an issue, but the risk of blacking out is still high. No, I have not taken them before.

 

[Richard Langford]

In that case you're right that vomiting is less of an issue, but the risk of blacking out is still high. No, I have not taken them before.

If I take one directly after the SN it shouldn't really be a problem. I wonder how quickly these hit.

 

[Eudaimonic]

If I take one directly after the SN it shouldn't really be a problem. I wonder how quickly these hit.

What are you hoping to achieve from doing so? The concern is blacking out and vomiting and then suffocating as a result / being unable to drink the second cup

 

[Richard Langford]

What are you hoping to achieve from doing so? The concern is blacking out and vomiting and then suffocating as a result / being unable to drink the second cup

My understanding is very few people actually do drink a second cup. It's also the thinking isn't it that the Benzo's are supposed to knock you completely out anyway - you're not just relaxed ?

 

[Eudaimonic]

My understanding is very few people actually do drink a second cup. It's also the thinking isn't it that the Benzo's are supposed to knock you completely out anyway - you're not just relaxed ?

To my understanding, they are supposed to provide mild/moderate sedation, not knock you out completely. I think the biggest concern is choking on your vomit and then waking up.

Another issue is getting the dosage/timing just right

In the vast majority of cases a second cup is probably not even needed unless the person vomits a LOT since 25g is way over the lethal dose. It's a sensible precaution though.

 

[Richard Langford]

To my understanding, they are supposed to provide mild/moderate sedation, not knock you out completely. I think the biggest concern is choking on your vomit and then waking up.

In the vast majority of cases a second cup is probably not even needed unless the person vomits a LOT since 25g is way over the lethal dose. It's a sensible precaution though.

Then I don't really get why such massive dosages are recommended by the PPH? We're talking colossal doses that seemingly DO have the intention of knocking a person out completely.

 

[Eudaimonic]

Then I don't really get why such massive dosages are recommended by the PPH? We're talking colossal doses that seemingly DO have the intention of knocking a person out completely.

Idk why either. The recommendation doesn't even make sense because the onset of oxazepam is generally beyond the time it takes to become unconscious from SN.

 

[Richard Langford]

Idk why either. The recommendation doesn't even make sense because the onset of oxazepam is generally beyond the time it takes to become unconscious from SN.

That's obviously the intention though? They're recommending a colossal dose that would sedate a Rhino not just a relaxing mild/moderate dose.

And I'm thinking because it's on a empty stomach they think the Benzo's will work much quicker?

 

[Eudaimonic]

That's obviously the intention though? They're recommending a colossal dose that would sedate a Rhino not just a relaxing mild/moderate dose.

And I'm thinking because it's on a empty stomach they think the Benzo's will work much quicker?

Could be, idk

 

[Richard Langford]

Expect them to hit very hard generally.

Pyrazolam and deschloroetizolam, not so much though. I'd say they're lower potency than an alprazolam.

Generally you shoould be looking for things with clona-, broma- or flua- in the name I think.

I got some Bensedin off the DW. I believe these are just generic Diazepam. Would the above be better instead? *

* not sure why its suddenly gone into BOLD.

 

[onmywaytothebusstop]

Yeah same here. I've taken prescription benzos before for anxiety and sleep, but I'm not sure what to expect with these RC benzos.

Honestly Bromazolam is pretty similar to alprazolam just different in potency. 1mg alprazolam for me was about ,5 bromazolam i think.

That's obviously the intention though? They're recommending a colossal dose that would sedate a Rhino not just a relaxing mild/moderate dose.

And I'm thinking because it's on a empty stomach they think the Benzo's will work much quicker?

The empty stomach is more important for the SN intake.
As for Benzos, there are benzo's you could take sublingually or even through the nose. Depending on the benzo the onset time could be much quicker then ingestion. Whether you crush it or not has a big impact as well.

Idk why either. The recommendation doesn't even make sense because the onset of oxazepam is generally beyond the time it takes to become unconscious from SN.

The onset information that you will find are usually whole pills on a not empty stomach. Having an empty stomach makes you take it up right away (although it takes time to absorb all or most of it). This also explains why the large dose and crushing of the benzos. Crushed -> larger surface for absorption -> Quicker absorption.

 

[missedmybus]

I'm lucky I can get mine off the clearnet from dutch/spanish suppliers. I'm not allowed to share sources on here. I asked mods/admins before.

For me clonazolam and flunitrazepam iirc were real kickers.

They still have bromazepam, flubrotizolam and fluclotizolam it seems.

Also when I used to benzo recreationalIy, I tended to overdo it quite a bit, I'm talking 10-20mg+ doses spread over the day in combination with alcohol and amphetamines.

I also buy it in powder form and then volumetrically dose.

 

[Eudaimonic]

The onset information that you will find are usually whole pills on a not empty stomach. Having an empty stomach makes you take it up right away (although it takes time to absorb all or most of it). This also explains why the large dose and crushing of the benzos. Crushed -> larger surface for absorption -> Quicker absorption.

Do you think it makes the most sense to take enough for mild/moderate sedation without blacking out? I'm confused because the PPH seems to think it's best to just black out almost immediately afterward, which it seems most people here do not do