Which candidate do you support Trump or Biden ?

[epic]

Trump or Biden?

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I'm in California so my vote for President literally did not matter.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Neither. Both are awful, one's just more overtly and egregiously awful, so I dislike that one more, but that doesn't translate to support for the other.

This is one reason why I don't vote. I'm not going to submit to and participate in my own abuse and give more power to the system which is corrupted and doesn't meet the standards of the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. The government is a casino; it's been twenty years since I stopped visiting the slots, I mean polls, I mean slots.

 

[Good4Nothing]

Neither. Both are scumbags.
I also will not be voting.
Haven't voted since '04.
The system's rigged. It's a dog and pony show.

 

[Symbiote]

Lately I've been getting harassment from the Democratic office here in my state saying they'll pay me a visit if I don't vote or if I voted for Trump. Bunch of hooligans and thugs, I'll vote for Trump so the Karens at that office can pay me a visit.

 

[Disappointered]

Neither. I kind of hope trump wins because he's a card the establishment doesn't like having to play which is also why I predict creepy pedo-biden will win. Not that I believe in democracy but it's not even what it's supposed to be and the voting processes - whether mail in or electronic - are all corrupted imo so tptb will arrange for a 'democratic' biden victory. Also big oil is over which is another reason biden will probably win. It'll probably result in full on war with Syria and Iran. whatever.

 

[sadworld]

I think both are idiots lol but I live in Europe so I don't care anyway.

 

[Gnip]

I am vehemently anti establishment, so I've voted for Trump every chance I've had (including an absentee ballot I delivered to my town clerk last week), since the main stream media establishment hates him so much. Also, I've met Trump and Biden multiple times and like Trump more. (I'm currently living in New Hampshire, so I've met every candidate running. I am a registered Libertarian, BTW.) In person, Trump is not the way he's portrayed by the media. As I said, I've actually met and spoken with the guy a few times, and like him.

During the 2016 NH GOP Primary, Trump ran a very cool and easy going campaign. He didn't invade our restaurants, didn't stuff our mail boxes with bullshit campaign literature, or incessantly knocked on our doors or rang our telephones, or crammed television commercials into our programming. He simply offered campaign appearances where we could go and meet with him if we wanted. The result was a record setting primary victory.

Beyond that, an octogenarian should not be President, as Jimmy Carter said last year. Also, I've met Kamala Harris a few times when I was dining quietly, wanting to be left alone when she came in shaking hands, pestering us before she withdrew from Iowa. She is not remotely qualified to be President.

What candidates say means nothing. It's what they are that counts, since people don't usually change. Trump has never changed. He's the same that he was 40 years ago. Biden and Harris are saying anything to get elected.

Kamala Harris grew up in Montreal during a fever pitch for Quebec to separate from Canada. She was born the daughter of a Jamaican national and an Indian national who is only eligible to run because she happened to be born in Oakland instead of Montreal. She has no real connection to the United States, not by heritage or her upbringing in Canadian schools. (Think about that. She didn't grow up reciting the Pledge of Allegiance to the American flag. She did not grow up singing The Star Spangled Banner, but O Canada.) As a prosecutor in California, she dished out harsh penalties to marijuana users, but now says she supports legalizing it. On the national level, she is only a freshman senator in her third year on Capitol Hill. Trump was the most experienced public celebrity to run for President since Reagan.

Having said all that, I expect Biden to win. However, he'll be the nominal head of a badly fractured Democratic party, and too weak to govern effectively. Kamala Harris will be far too inexperienced to govern effectively. A major win by the Democrats will result in a bureaucratic chain reaction crash pile up.


The good thing for us in the United States about a Biden win is that I expect psychiatrist administered euthanasia to become legalized very quickly. We won't have to CTB for ourselves when we can hire medical doctors to put us down like veterinarians euthanize suffering animals. (If pro lifers have a problem with that, then let them produce permanent CURES for what ails us!)

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

The good thing for us in the United States about a Biden win is that I expect psychiatrist administered euthanasia to become legalized very quickly. We won't have to CTB for ourselves when we can hire medical doctors to put us down like veterinarians euthanize suffering animals. (If pro lifers have a problem with that, then let them produce permanent CURES for what ails us!)

What about Biden makes it likely he would legalize euthanasia? It seems like democrats are more likely to be pro-life about suicide more than anything out of an urge to virtue signal (at least it seems that way from my experience).

 

[Disappointered]

the globalists' version of progress includes legalized euthanasia from what i can tell. the so-called left is designated to push for societal 'progress' through change so they'll be the ones designated to push for euthanasia. same in every country.

 

[Gnip]

What about Biden makes it likely he would legalize euthanasia? It seems like democrats are more likely to be pro-life about suicide more than anything out of an urge to virtue signal (at least it seems that way from my experience).

Joe is nominally Catholic, but he is pro choice on abortion and pushed Obama to publicly endorse same sex unions the day after North Carolina became the 31st state to vote against it. (Ironically, California's supposed to be the great bastion of the LGBT movement, yet California voters defined marriage as between a man and a woman twice, led by their socially conservative black and Hispanic Catholic population. I'm referring to Proposition 22 in 2000, and Proposition 8 in 2008.)

Since physician assisted suicide for mental health problems has been enacted in Canada, it's also easy to see judicial activism in the United States legalize it just as the federal judiciary legalized same sex unions after 30 states voted against it.

The mental health industry (I call it a racket) has failed miserably. Euthanasia is the next step for providing legal cost effective and instant relief to sufferers.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Joe is nominally Catholic, but he is pro choice on abortion and pushed Obama to publicly endorse same sex unions the day after North Carolina became the 31st state to vote against it. (Ironically, California's supposed to be the great bastion of the LGBT movement, yet California voters defined marriage as between a man and a woman twice, led by their socially conservative black and Hispanic Catholic population. I'm referring to Proposition 22 in 2000, and Proposition 8 in 2008.)

Since physician assisted suicide for mental health problems has been enacted in Canada, it's also easy to see judicial activism in the United States legalize it just as the federal judiciary legalized same sex unions after 30 states voted against it.

The mental health industry (I call it a racket) has failed miserably. Euthanasia is the next step for providing legal cost effective and instant relief to sufferers.

the globalists' version of progress includes legalized euthanasia from what i can tell. the so-called left is designated to push for societal 'progress' through change so they'll be the ones designated to push for euthanasia. same in every country.

That all shocks me since some of the most pro-life people I know are actually also the biggest sjws. At least that's one thing to look forward to if they win then. Hopefully I'd also qualify too.

 

[Disappointered]

posturing as the responsible citizen who saves people from the ravages of mental illness still trumps the right to die for many sjws...give it a couple of decades and most sjws will be 'on our side'. maybe i'm off about the specific timeline but imo that is the trend.

 

[death137]

I'm not American. Trump has threatened my country. I also read Biden will most likely side with our enemy. So from the interest of my country I don't know which one is better. But from the whole world perspective I think Biden is better.

 

[Gnip]

That all shocks me since some of the most pro-life people I know are actually also the biggest sjws. At least that's one thing to look forward to if they win then. Hopefully I'd also qualify too.

Well politics makes strange enemies as well as bedfellows. Slave descendants tended to be socially conservative in the old south, yet they were persecuted and bullied by white conservatives, driving those blacks into the arms of social liberals.

Even Trump's most ardent supporters will typically admit he's no kind of Christian, but he's the only choice politically active evangelicals have to support.

 

[esse_est_percipi]

What about Biden makes it likely he would legalize euthanasia?

I agree. Even those on the extreme left of the democrats are very unlikely to want to legalize euthanasia outright, and even if they do it will only be for the terminally ill and won't encompass mental illness. And even then if will cost a huge amount, because profit, right?

Trump has threatened my country

Really? You mean threatened with invasion or with economic sanctions or something?
Are you talking about the Nile dam?

 

[Ghost2211]

They're both bad options. I just dislike Trump enough I would want literally anyone but him. I don't think it really matters who we vote for. I doubt votes mean anything at all.

 

[esse_est_percipi]

As I said, I've actually met and spoken with the guy a few times, and like him.

What did he say to you?

I'm not going to submit to and participate in my own abuse and give more power to the system which is corrupted and doesn't meet the standards of the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. The government is a casino; it's been twenty years since I stopped visiting the slots, I mean polls, I mean slots

Agree. It's panem et circenses whilst democratically unaccountable and transnational entities and persons carry on with their nwo agendas.
At worst elections are only minor inconveniences for them.
Even if one were to accept that Trump is some kind of a spanner in the works for them (a la QAnon), it's only temporary.
We are inevitably moving towards a posthuman, big tech-run globalist tyranny, with social credit systems, mass tracking and surveillance, brain-computer interfaces (elon musk's neuralink) and invasive digital implants. Getting people addicted to having a smartphone on them at all times was just a step towards this, just as the covid plandemic is.

'Elections cannot be allowed to change economic policy' -- Wolfgang Schauble, former german finance minister

 

[Nymph]

Both are bad but I do think one is slight less bad than the other..I read here that a lot of people are not voting but I do think you should. Yeah both options are bad but at least vote for the less bad one. It's some progress...if this orange bozo continues being president, nothing is ever gonna change.

I'm from Europe tho so..no impact. I wish I could vote. Cause even tho it's the US president lets b honest, a president of such a country impacts the whole world unfortunately

 

[esse_est_percipi]

However flawed he may be, and however beholden to a darwinist capitalist ethos, Trump has done some moral good. Signed a federal Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture bill, a Right to Try bill for terminally ill people, the First Step act, a progressive criminal reform bill. Gave clemency to and pardoned a number of prisoners.
And he didn't start any new wars.

 

[Gnip]

What did he say to you?

Nothing worth repeating, simply polite pleasantries, but being in the physical presence of these people, taking in things like eye contact, attentiveness and alertness, how relaxed or tense they are, oriented they are to time and place, their level of energy and ease, projection of "authenticity," then being able to collect a baseline through multiple meetings (because once could be on an especially good day or bad day), whether or not they are robotic or organically human and unique on each occasion, a myriad of factors which register an impression subconsciously, this is how Presidential retail politics works in New Hampshire. I knew who he was, but he didn't have any idea who I was of course, so I introduced myself to him by name (which he seemed to appreciate), and he repeated my name in replying to me.

His appearances were reception lines, so I was appropriately brief, as he was already a major, major celebrity. On one occasion, I mentioned that he'd greeted me before, but I wanted to express my appreciation to him as a former boxing fan for bringing major boxing back to the Eastern United States in the 1980's. Again, he was pleased.

I met Biden during the 1988, 2008 and this last Presidential primary campaigns. Joe is never really "switched on" during campaign events, and I think that's why he's always done so poorly in New Hampshire, whereas Trump, a definitive entrepreneur, is a people person. He comes across as somebody who enjoys being on the stump, he's not shy, and always ready with a friendly pat on the shoulder. (The moron who originally claimed nobody ever learned anything by talking should also have been shot. When Trump is talking, and talking and talking, he's also absorbing how his audience is responding to what he's saying. There's a reason he and Bill Clinton have been such good friends. They are a lot alike. They talk a great deal, but can also listen well. Donald doesn't lose his voice like Bill can though, because Trump uses his diaphragm when he speaks a bit more, never straining his voice. You may have also noticed his diction is better than Biden's, which is sometimes muddled and garbled. Again, Trump is a seasoned celebrity, and knows how to project himself.)


Because I was bullied all my life (often on the playground by bigger, stronger and older girls), I have a built in bully meter. Maybe Trump was a bully before his father sent him to military school, but I never had any sense that he's a bully from when I was in his presence. The two definitive bullies I have met in Presidential politics are Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton (who is what the Peanuts comic strip's Lucy Van Pelt would have grown up to be if she'd ever run for President).

They're both bad options. I just dislike Trump enough I would want literally anyone but him. I don't think it really matters who we vote for. I doubt votes mean anything at all.

Well votes certainly don't mean anything to us! We're Sanctioned Suicide, and if we dislike something enough, we're ready to quit!

 

[Grav]

I went 3rd party so "neither" would be my answer.

 

[waived]

Neither and none.

 

[Wayfaerer]

However flawed he may be, and however beholden to a darwinist capitalist ethos, Trump has done some moral good. Signed a federal Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture bill, a Right to Try bill for terminally ill people, the First Step act, a progressive criminal reform bill. Gave clemency to and pardoned a number of prisoners.
And he didn't start any new wars.

We can expect Biden to start some new ones if he gets in.

 

[Despondent]

I'm not from the US so I won't be voting but I'm hoping for Biden. Neither of them are favorable at all. It would be interesting to see Trumps reaction too.

 

[Mixo]

Biden is a corporatist Democrat who probably won't change much economically.
Trump is a bigot/neofascist who is fomenting hate, also a corporatist. So really not much choice here, so I'd say neither. If I was in a U.S. swing state I suppose I'd have to hold my nose and vote Biden.

 

[epic]

I am vehemently anti establishment, so I've voted for Trump every chance I've had (including an absentee ballot I delivered to my town clerk last week), since the main stream media establishment hates him so much. Also, I've met Trump and Biden multiple times and like Trump more. (I'm currently living in New Hampshire, so I've met every candidate running. I am a registered Libertarian, BTW.) In person, Trump is not the way he's portrayed by the media. As I said, I've actually met and spoken with the guy a few times, and like him.

During the 2016 NH GOP Primary, Trump ran a very cool and easy going campaign. He didn't invade our restaurants, didn't stuff our mail boxes with bullshit campaign literature, or incessantly knocked on our doors or rang our telephones, or crammed television commercials into our programming. He simply offered campaign appearances where we could go and meet with him if we wanted. The result was a record setting primary victory.

Beyond that, an octogenarian should not be President, as Jimmy Carter said last year. Also, I've met Kamala Harris a few times when I was dining quietly, wanting to be left alone when she came in shaking hands, pestering us before she withdrew from Iowa. She is not remotely qualified to be President.

What candidates say means nothing. It's what they are that counts, since people don't usually change. Trump has never changed. He's the same that he was 40 years ago. Biden and Harris are saying anything to get elected.

Kamala Harris grew up in Montreal during a fever pitch for Quebec to separate from Canada. She was born the daughter of a Jamaican national and an Indian national who is only eligible to run because she happened to be born in Oakland instead of Montreal. She has no real connection to the United States, not by heritage or her upbringing in Canadian schools. (Think about that. She didn't grow up reciting the Pledge of Allegiance to the American flag. She did not grow up singing The Star Spangled Banner, but O Canada.) As a prosecutor in California, she dished out harsh penalties to marijuana users, but now says she supports legalizing it. On the national level, she is only a freshman senator in her third year on Capitol Hill. Trump was the most experienced public celebrity to run for President since Reagan.

Having said all that, I expect Biden to win. However, he'll be the nominal head of a badly fractured Democratic party, and too weak to govern effectively. Kamala Harris will be far too inexperienced to govern effectively. A major win by the Democrats will result in a bureaucratic chain reaction crash pile up.


The good thing for us in the United States about a Biden win is that I expect psychiatrist administered euthanasia to become legalized very quickly. We won't have to CTB for ourselves when we can hire medical doctors to put us down like veterinarians euthanize suffering animals. (If pro lifers have a problem with that, then let them produce permanent CURES for what ails us!)

What about policy positions and who do you think is more likely to fulfill their promises?

 

[Ren Elsie Jewelria]

I think both are idiots lol but I live in Europe so I don't care anyway.

"Both are idiots". :D :D
Yay for Europe! But wait, we have some idiot politicians in Europe too, especially where I live. Oh noes! ;)

 

[esse_est_percipi]

We can expect Biden to start some new ones if he gets in.

definitely. Especially as hawkish democrats like Hillary will be back in power again, if not officially, at least in the shadows pulling the strings.

 

[Gnip]

What about policy positions and who do you think is more likely to fulfill their promises?

Well Trump's already been President for four years. We know what his policies are. I don't expect that either Biden or Harris can be strong enough to actually call the shots once in office.

For the most part, he's tried to do what he said he would do as a candidate. He's been called a "liar," but what major campaign promises has he broken? He tried to make nice with China and Russia, but when they tried to take advantage of that, Trump turned on them. He saber rattled on North Korea, but who's rationally opposed to making peace, as long as it's from a position of strength rather than weakness and appeasement?

The reason three consecutive Presidents have been reelected for the second time in American history is because we know where they are headed, and because they've generally made an apparently sincere attempt to carry out their promises.

The last two elected Presidents to lose reelection bids were Jimmy Carter and GHW Bush. Both broke major campaign promises. During the 1976 campaign, candidate Carter promised that the Panama Canal would remain in the hands of the United States. (Many of the Senators who voted to give it to Panama instead lost their next elections.) GHW Bush famously promised, "Read my lips! No new taxes!' Then he raised taxes and lost to Bill Clinton.

Before Carter, the last elected President to lose a reelection bid was Hoover in 1932, torpedoed by the Great Depression. No incumbent could have won in that situation. If Trump goes down, it will be because of the transient issue of COVID, a situation likely to again doom whoever the incumbent happened to be.

An incumbent POTUS knows the realities of the office, what can and can't be done. That's why they tend to get reelected. If Trump wins now, that will be a history making fourth consecutive reelection. For all the publicity shown by the media on civil unrest, that would be a profound megatrend in support of stability.

If George W. Bush had mismanaged Katrina before he was reelected, winning a second term might have been extremely difficult for him. Interestingly, disaster relief management is NOT among the major campaign issues being used against Trump, despite the fact his four years in office have seen a record number of natural disasters, hurricanes, fires and earthquakes. He's been on the ground promptly in devastated areas and quickly authorized large relief aid packages.

Obama was the least tested President in recent history when it came to managing natural disasters. We have no idea if a Biden/Harris administration can manage a situation like that competently. However, the H1N1 swine flu 11 years ago infected over 60 million according to the CDC, against just over nine million for COVID at the moment. It was just dumb luck that only a little over 12,000 were killed by a virus which was related to the 1918 influenza pandemic. The 2009 H1N1 crisis offers no suggestion that Biden would have managed COVID any more competently than Trump has. Again, 60 million infections 11 years ago versus nine million infections just now.


Keep in mind that if Biden/Harris wins and proves to be incompetent, it'll be too late for buyer's remorse. The Democrats might be better off losing this one and fielding a strong nominee guaranteed to win in 2024. Because Biden and Harris were such weak candidates during the primary campaign, I expect they'd be similarly weak once in office. Trump was an extremely strong primary candidate in 2016, and he's proved to be a strong POTUS. He overruled his then NSA John Bolton in refusing military retaliation in favor of sanctions when Iran shot down an American drone, then he overruled the dovish elements advising him when he decided to take out Soleimani. He appears to be in charge, the boss, his own man.

Harris tried to destroy Biden in Iowa, only to get shot down in turn by Gabbard. I don't know how cohesive a team Biden and Harris can be once in office, but I can't buy them being on the same page.


I like peace, not war, and peace is best maintained and enforced through strength, not weakness.

Obama was handed an unearned Nobel Peace Prize simply for getting elected, then went on to become the only two full term wartime POTUS in history. Trump is trying to extract the country from foreign military conflicts. I expect a Biden/Harris administration will return us to the middle eastern quagmire.


Personally, I think about marrying a nice young Russian girl and moving to the Russian Federation. (CBT is far more realistic and convenient for me though.)