Discussion When did you first awaken/woke up to being pro-choice?

[TAW122]

During my childhood, I was a naive, bluepilled non-thinking NPC. I once thought suicide preventionists and the pro-lifers were awesome people. I lacked critical thinking skills and the ability to question things. I too, was like a non-thinking NPC, desperate for acceptance and blindly accepted things without evaluation or introspection. I was also indoctrinated by the secular pro-life agenda.

However! As I've grown older and more wise, I started to see the world and reality for it, started to question things and started to wake up to what the world truly is. A bit of blackpilled reality mixed in with some redpilled influences on how the world works helped me break out of the NPC programming and into an independent person who see the world for what it is and grew to resent it. Vengeance was a driving force (a part of black and red pill philosophies) that kept me alive during my late adolescence and teenage years. Was I suicidal then? Yes, but also had a desire for vengeance and wanting justice (hormones and teenage mentality at the time). Then along came misanthropy (before I knew of it), followed by nihlism, and soon, anti-natalism.

At age 18, I entered university and there was a sociology professor who talked about things. As a college freshman, I had aspired to become an academic genius (but that fell through over the years as I got disenchanted over my college career but that's another topic for another time) so I took in a lot of information and learned and learned. In one lecture, the professor talked about Emile Durkheim (a French sociologist) and his views on suicide. It got me thinking critically and I started to question what the point of life was and whether suicide is really this "evil, bad" thing. I concluded it wasn't, it was simply a self-inflicted death by it's very definition. So I started to view death as something that isn't inherently bad, but could be positive (free from suffering) in certain circumstances.

Then another blackpilled moment was the discussion of euthanasia and assisted suicide in one my writing classes. The professor talked about such a topic, and the class was divided. At the time, the concept was still slightly foreign to me, but I was for it because I knew that it was to be free of and from suffering. If one's life is so unbearable (for that person) then said person should be allowed to die a dignified death on his/her own terms.

So that's my story of how I became pro-choice and first awaken to the reality of world for what it is. After being awakened to it, I can no longer delude myself nor go back to slumber of what the world is. Quite frankly, I've been alive in the past decade vastly due to copes and tolerances. Very rarely, have I ever had a time where I simply just "enjoyed life" and if I did, it was rather fleeting at best. On a day to day basis, I'm rather indifferent to life with many periods of immense suffering when a lot of suicide fuel has hit me hard.

So what's your story and how did arrive at the conclusion of being pro-choice?

 

[Blutsager]

I have always supported individuals power to decide, and have been in support of pro-choice for... a long time, I guess. I can't tell fully since when.

It's been only in the last month, as I bought my dose of SN, that I have fully embraced this philosophy.

 

[Epsilon0]

As a college freshman, I had aspired to become an academic genius.


Didn't we all aspire to become that?

And to answer your question:


I became pro-choice when I came face to face with suicide myself. Up until that moment I was probably pro-life, although I hadn't given the matter enough thought to form a clear opinion.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I used to be very pro-life. I had a boyfriend in high school unexpectedly ctb, and it was traumatizing. For decades I didn't have a real clue about why people were suicidal. I later had a best friend who seems to have had BPD, and when she would talk to me about being suicidal, I didn't get it, and she definitely did not receive the support from me that she was seeking. I was both oblivious and pro-lifey.

Then I eventually became pro-choice in that I started accepting that I can't control other people and started practicing healthy boundaries and acceptance. During this period, I had an acquaintance who was suicidal and talked to me about her ideations and her plan. I listened without judging, asked clarifying questions, and accepted she would do whatever she chose to do. I don't get emotionally involved or bring it up when she didn't. She really appreciated me, and I didn't take on any of her stuff.

Now that I'm on SS and know what pro-choice is, it fits very well with my overall boundaries of practicing self-control and not other-control. If someone has a method that triggers me, it's their body, not mine. If someone is going to do a method they know will likely not work, it's their body, not mine. If I'm troubled by others' choices or actions here, for example, suicide by cop or train, or how they act toward other members, I may say my peace, but I also have the choice to follow up with the ignore button when what someone else does, plans, or says is more than I can emotionally manage.

 

[omoidarui]

ive always supported people's right to end their own lives, even when i was much younger if i ever pretended to agree with the pro-life narrative, i privately knew even then that i didn't support it - even if i may not have inherently understood as a child why i felt that way (so i just kept it to myself to keep the grown-ups happy), but i've always opposed pro-life ideology on the inside.

I have always supported individuals power to decide, and have been in support of pro-choice for... a long time, I guess. I can't tell fully since when.

Same

i basically came out the womb pro-choice

 

[Shinbu]

Learning about bodily autonomy is when I became pro choice, and before that I just wanted to die, I didn't really give a lot of thought to the subject of suicide, and I didn't know there was a right to die movement either, nor know there was forums for suicidal people.

 

[faust]

I believe that there was no certain moment when I finally came to this. It was rather a series of events in which I either participated or was an observer.

I was born and raised in a country in which about suicide was heard quite often. Plus, in my environment there were 4 people who tried to commit suicide, but they did not succeed. Moreover, there were even more people who did this successfully. Our town was small, and accordingly, the people who lived there knew each other through acquaintances and their acquaintances. It is likely that such a large number of suicides and suicide attempts served as the foundation of my worldview.

When you see something constantly, it becomes the norm for our perception. Plus, when I was a teenager, my life was odd for me and I did not see the perspectives at all. When there is a complete rejection of something, you begin to look for answers to existential questions. I rushed from one ideology to another, tried to find the truth, and this led me to the realization that, in the absence of any prospects and opportunities, suicide is a reasonable decision.

Some time passed and I decided to give myself a chance, at first everything was very cool and living in the illusions created by mania was quite funny. However, the mania left me - and something incomprehensible started. Slowly but surely, life began to sink to the bottom. I still could not understand what I did wrong in my life, why all this happens to me. But now, looking back, I understand that I already saw this world using pro-choice lens. Once I was invited to participate in a search operation of a person who was missing. Of course there were completely different versions, but we knew that he left home and left a picture where to look for him. Then we did not know that he committed suicide. Only a few months later his body was found. At this moment, I did not feel anything negative, because I knew that I could have been in his place a few years ago. That's it, I understood that, in principle, suicide is not something evil and requires effort to fight. It is omnipresent. And this cannot be denied if this happens everywhere and constantly. In other posts, I wrote that my friend has been suicidal since 2017 and now I understand why I did not attack him with pro-life thoughts. Then I did not yet realize that I was already for the right to choose. I did not try to dissuade him in every possible way, but listened patiently. I was not a supporter of pro-choice and probably did not realize that there was such a term in relation to suicide. However, I was already a pro-choice.

When your friend tried to leave twice, two ex gfs tried to commit suicide (not because of me), a friend has been talking about suicide since 2017 (despite being pro-life), whether you want it or not but it is becoming the norm.

 

[Halnas]

I remember that there was a thread asking when people considered to ctb the first time. And most posters did that during their childhood, like around 12. And so did i.
I am not scared about death. I always considered suicide a legit option as far as i remember. I worked for the red cross for 5 years and got confronted with how huge the suicide rate actually is. I know 4 people who did it. All of them seemed pretty healthy and did it out of choice.

Pro-choice just seems logical for me. One in 6500 people commits suicide every year in Europe. Average life expectancy is 85 years. So one in eighty people do it at some point? Maybe it's a bit screwed because of population growth, but who cares, its a lot and from my personal experience, i can confirm that its a lot.
Being pro-life seems like closing your eyes from the reality. And the newspaper isn't allowed to write about suicide. And the most suicidal group is male between 30 and 50 years, so the people who contribute the most of the workforce.

Edit:
btw. 40 years ago the major suicidal group was male 75+. Imagine the implications on society that this has, it shifted down to the best working age while the rate stays nearly the same.

Suicide in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We really need a more open society about that topic. I doubt that the media shut-down on suicides helps in pro-lifers favor. You care about coronavirus so god damn much? Lets talk about the elephant in the room instead!

 

[Broken Chimera]

I went through hell to get to that point but I finally understood that I was alone in my pain. No God or person cared. So if I'm surviving alone I should have the right to choose to die whenever I want.

It was about two years ago when I reached my breaking point and I realized that it doesn't matter anymore. Before I found this forum I didn't know pro choice also applied to suicide. I went back and forth between suicide and life for years before I stayed on this side.

I learned that you're not a coward for choosing the "easy way out" when you've been through hell most people couldn't imagine. If things are gonna be the same for the rest of your life then there's no point in doing that for another 40 - 50 years.

 

[Ardesevent]

I just got to the point where I started seeing suicide as a option. No one should have to stay alive for decades if they don't want to.

 

[itsamadworld]

Inwardly, I was always pro-choice. I had a few friends who got pregnant, and considered abortion. I always supported them ( thankfully) whichever way they chose. I also lent a neighbor my car where she was headed to get an abortion. During my weird Christian days, I was still prochoice, but not open about it. Now I'm not at all Christian....I gag even going near a religious establishment... My dad once said, "if you ever get an abortion, I'll never forgive you." Well, apprx. 20 years later from that comment, his step- grandson ( my step-nephew) commit suicide by a heroine overdose. My dad and his grandma ( my step-mom) found him dead in their upstairs....I think my dad actually became pro-choice after this...

 

[a.n.kirillov]

Thanks I enjoy reading your posts.

I come from a very libertarian minded family, so suicide always seemed acceptable to me. Maybe regrettable—nowadays I subscribe to promortalism—but certainly within a person's basic human rights.

 

[reapandsow918]

When I was a kid I saw a movie where a girl cut her wrists and died (not a reliable method) and I wondered at that time why would someone want to kill themselves? It's funny how things change, now I'm like yes I want death.

 

[PDAnnie2610]

During my teenage days, when I was going through addiction withdrawal when going cold turkey from self harm. That drove me over the edge and the quality of life was not worth living then.

Having seen and studied what it meant helped reconciled me towards adopting a pro-choice attitude. Ultimately, people have to live with themselves - and the pain of having to live with pain 24/7 is a very personal burden to bear.

 

[Mr2005]

I would hazard a guess when they became suicidal. What an extraordinary coincidence

 

[toomuchtimetodie]

I was 14 earliest memories that I remember feeling disgust at people (even my own grandmother) who when a suicide was mentioned they would say 'cowards way out... And couldn't imagine these people have the guts to cut their throat under pressure.

 

[Green Destiny]

Can't say for sure when I became full pro choice. I remember when I was in highschool seeing on the news about that woman who had untreatable brain Cancer and moved from California to Washington state so she could euthanize herself without suffering (sorry if I forgot details about that story) and thought to myself "I can respect her decision, I know I wouldn't wan't to suffer for a long time before dying." And somewhere down the line I came to the mindset that people should be allowed to choose when it's their time to die be it from physical ailments or mental illnesses.

 

[BabyYoda]

The only time I've became pro-choice was when I first lurked into this site. Never have I heard of being pro-choice in real life.

It just hit me like why can't suicide be an option like ever?